McCain Defeated...Again

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The "ignore" feature is going to be the best part of the new forums.

:laugh:

FuseTalk already has an "ignore" user feature that lets you skip over all my threads. Didn't you get the memo?

Well unfortunately in P&N when a shithead like yourself creates a topic it blocks anyone else from making a new thread on that topic without the moronic slant.

Please, don't let my thread stop you from making your own about McCain's defeat. The old man is so full of fail, there's plenty to go around.

Other opportunities will arise; his term doesn't expire until 2010.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The "ignore" feature is going to be the best part of the new forums.

:laugh:

FuseTalk already has an "ignore" user feature that lets you skip over all my threads. Didn't you get the memo?

Well unfortunately in P&N when a shithead like yourself creates a topic it blocks anyone else from making a new thread on that topic without the moronic slant.

Please, don't let my thread stop you from making your own about McCain's defeat. The old man is so full of fail, there's plenty to go around.

Other opportunities will arise; his term doesn't expire until 2010.

Its against the Anandtech rules. That's actually why i disagree with the rule about a comment in the first post. An article/video should be posted, and then the 2nd post should be the OP's opinion, instead of intertwined with a news source.

Also, the thread title should match the article title.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
The Democrats won't keep this majority for long if they insist on pissing people off.

The GOP politicians seem to confuse bipartisanship efforts as agreeing to do things the way the GOP has always done. Trickle down economics has been a total failure and has been the largest single factor in the stratification of income and destruction of the middle class. Yet that remains the linchpin of the GOP thought process and they have absolutely refused to bend off their (failed) doctrines one iota. It's time for our country to move on and try a new direction-that, after all, was the main lesson of the last two national elections.

 

[Lemon law]

This entire stimulus bill is somewhat a blend of a test of strength, lots of inflammatory rhetoric, and good ole fashioned horse trading.

All that is known now is that the McCain trickle down tax cut type stimulus bill got crushed 57-40. Two weeks of debate on the bill is what is allowed, with Republicans largely crying pork, pork , pork, when less than 2% of the bill fits the classic pork class. But if the GOP gets part of its way in trimming out some pork, and maybe gets some more tax cuts, the question is will the GOP have enough votes, to filibuster it?

Reid says he has the votes to stop a filibuster and McConnell says they have enough votes to filibuster. And that is what the remaining debate and horsetrading will help decide, as the American economy continues to lose 500K jobs per month, as we slide from a mere recession where job losses stay fairly linear, to a depression point where job losses start to rise exponentially.

Personally I am not too happy with the bill, its targeted too much on building infrastructure without yet addressing the long term capital investments we need to make in future efficiencies. But if the repubs stop this bill, we will shortly be in a full blown depression, and its almost 100% certain the repubs will get the blame. And now amount of Limbaugh delight and spin will be able to stop the GOP from being the party to blame.

 

[mugs]

You're a sad, hateful little man. :laugh: I don't think Obama really likes partisan hacks like you.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This entire stimulus bill is somewhat a blend of a test of strength, lots of inflammatory rhetoric, and good ole fashioned horse trading.

All that is known now is that the McCain trickle down tax cut type stimulus bill got crushed 57-40. Two weeks of debate on the bill is what is allowed, with Republicans largely crying pork, pork , pork, when less than 2% of the bill fits the classic pork class. But if the GOP gets part of its way in trimming out some pork, and maybe gets some more tax cuts, the question is will the GOP have enough votes, to filibuster it?

Reid says he has the votes to stop a filibuster and McConnell says they have enough votes to filibuster. And that is what the remaining debate and horsetrading will help decide, as the American economy continues to lose 500K jobs per month, as we slide from a mere recession where job losses stay fairly linear, to a depression point where job losses start to rise exponentially.

Personally I am not too happy with the bill, its targeted too much on building infrastructure without yet addressing the long term capital investments we need to make in future efficiencies. But if the repubs stop this bill, we will shortly be in a full blown depression, and its almost 100% certain the repubs will get the blame. And now amount of Limbaugh delight and spin will be able to stop the GOP from being the party to blame.

There is nothing in this simulus package that would stop a depression. Most of the spending is years out and all it does it expand federal agencies already known for waste.

While it will do little to actually stimulate the economy it will grow our deficit to 1.2 trillion dollars. Bush's deficit spending it looking like a distant wet dream at this rate.

And when the economy does come around all that money the govt injected into the economy will show up as inflation. Jimmy Carter here we come!

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The "ignore" feature is going to be the best part of the new forums.

:laugh:

FuseTalk already has an "ignore" user feature that lets you skip over all my threads. Didn't you get the memo?

Well unfortunately in P&N when a shithead like yourself creates a topic it blocks anyone else from making a new thread on that topic without the moronic slant.

Please, don't let my thread stop you from making your own about McCain's defeat. The old man is so full of fail, there's plenty to go around.

Other opportunities will arise; his term doesn't expire until 2010.

This entire thread epitimizes the loonie lefts entire philosphy and that is always attack the other guy. Instead of lauding Obama's paqckage as being the best thing since manna from heaven, we have you crowing over what you percieve as another McCain defeat. That is hardly the point today demonstrates the bankruptcy of your position.

Instead of substantively defending the President's position, you are simply attacking the opposition offering nothing in return.

 

[Pneumothorax]

I long for the day when Congress says FU to the lobbyists instead of saying FU to the voters. But alas...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
The Democrats won't keep this majority for long if they insist on pissing people off.

I don't know if you've noticed, but we just passed through 8 of the worst years in American history under an arrogant dictatorial prick who shoved his agenda down our throats.

People like the OP, in my opinion at least, are the cancerous fallout that you so accurately predict. It's pay back time for lots of pissed off folk, baby.

But as we all really know but won't admit, is that an eye for an eye leads to blindness.

If the Democrats can rise above the disgusting level the Republicans live at, then they too will fail.
But when you deal with assholes who won't take an olive branch, they will be crushed by a mighty wave. The public demanding change will eat them for lunch. And nobody will be crying at their loss but other assholes just like them.

It is the duty of every American to think of America first and knock off this party before country bull shit.

Please explain the bolded part? Or is it a typo?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
The Democrats won't keep this majority for long if they insist on pissing people off.

I don't know if you've noticed, but we just passed through 8 of the worst years in American history under an arrogant dictatorial prick who shoved his agenda down our throats.

People like the OP, in my opinion at least, are the cancerous fallout that you so accurately predict. It's pay back time for lots of pissed off folk, baby.

But as we all really know but won't admit, is that an eye for an eye leads to blindness.

If the Democrats can rise above the disgusting level the Republicans live at, then they too will fail.
But when you deal with assholes who won't take an olive branch, they will be crushed by a mighty wave. The public demanding change will eat them for lunch. And nobody will be crying at their loss but other assholes just like them.

It is the duty of every American to think of America first and knock off this party before country bull shit.

Please explain the bolded part? Or is it a typo?

Oops, it is a typo and thanks for pointing it out

It should have read, If the Democrats can't rise above the disgusting level the Republicans live at, then they too will fail.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Obama is sounding more like Bush every day. CATASTROPHE!!! DOOOOOM!!!! MILLIONS OF UNEMPLOYED!!!!!!! SIGN MY PLAN QUICK!!!!!!!! DONT READ IT JUST SIGN!!!!!!

Bush tried to instill fear in us on things that did not happen yet. Obama is pointing out that which has already happened. Millions are unemployed or are you disputing that? Also, I have yet to see any indication that he does not want people to read the bill or to move too quickly. He has given the lawmakers weeks to refine it and they still have another 10 days before his deadline. Even if they do not meet the deadline, I highly doubt Obama would be opposed to extending it if there truly is more substantial work that needs to be done.

If you don't support the plan for objective reasons then that is one thing, but don't make up bullshit like this. It just makes you look really shallow.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
The Democrats won't keep this majority for long if they insist on pissing people off.

The GOP politicians seem to confuse bipartisanship efforts as agreeing to do things the way the GOP has always done. Trickle down economics has been a total failure and has been the largest single factor in the stratification of income and destruction of the middle class. Yet that remains the linchpin of the GOP thought process and they have absolutely refused to bend off their (failed) doctrines one iota. It's time for our country to move on and try a new direction-that, after all, was the main lesson of the last two national elections.

Look at polls regarding the stimulus. People as in the voters, not the GOP.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: palehorse
How can you be proud of your party?!

Comrade, they're getting exactly the sort of big government spending programs that they want.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

It's going to be a long eight years for the GOP.

And Obama, as he is the one bellyaching about a SPENDING bill that he already is going to win. What is he going to do with real rejection when something doesn't go his way?

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Talk about a crushing mandate by the people. The enormous majorities held by Democrats in both the House and Senate mean Obama and the Democrats can pass the legislation they want without dealing with GOP-generated gridlock.

Remember McCain? That old dude who got spanked like child last November? It seems he is a glutton for punishment, reminding us how irrelevant he is with each passing day. Today the Senate defeated Sidney's version of a stimulus plan 57-40.

Meanwhile Reid has the Republican votes necessary to reach the 60 votes needed to pass Obama's stimulus plan.

It seems to me, if the American people actually cared about the GOP agenda, they would have elected more than 40 of them to the Senate.

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The Senate has killed an alternative economic stimulus plan by Sen. John McCain that would have cut income and payroll taxes but spent far less than President Obama's plan.

The party-line 57-40 vote against McCain's $421 billion plan came Thursday as a group of moderate Democrats and Republicans struggled to cut up to $100 billion from Obama's version.

McCain's plan would have cut the bottom two income tax brackets and lowered corporate income taxes. It also would have extended unemployment benefits and provide money to repair and replace military equipment worn out in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama defeated McCain for the presidency last fall.

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Democratic Senate leaders said this afternoon that they have the votes to pass the stimulus bill and suggested they have little interest in making further changes to win more Republican support.

Senators began voting on a series of amendments to the measure on Thursday afternoon. In the chamber's first vote to alter the bill, senators defeated Sen. John McCain's $425 billion alternative to the package.

After considering a slew of amendments, it is possible there could be a final Senate vote on the stimulus bill later tonight.

Earlier Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told reporters he has the votes -- with no further changes -- to pass the economic stimulus bill.

"We believe we do" have the votes, Reid said. "We believe we can find two Republicans of goodwill to do the right thing for their country."

Reid had also said he believed all 58 Democrats would vote for the bill. With Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., absent this evening, Democrats would need three Republicans to side with them to receive the 60 votes needed to pass the measure.

"Has bipartisanship failed?" asked Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "So far it's not working, but it takes two to tango and so far the Republicans aren't dancing. The hard right has a stranglehold on most of the Republicans."

Meantime, moderate senators have been meeting today to "scrub" wasteful spending from the bill. Reid said he is happy to talk to those senators, but doesn't feel compelled to support their cuts.

"The question is: Do they work in an effort to strengthen the bill or destroy the bill?" Reid said.

Schumer also suggested it is irrelevant whether the bill gets more Republican support.

He said that three months from now, "it will vanish in the wind how many votes we got, as long as we pass it."

Still, the senators spending the day trying to trim the bill seem convinced Reid has miscalculated and needs their support to pass the measure.

"I would say to the majority leader that his success depends on the success of this group," said Maine Sen. Susan Collins.
Senators Meet to 'Scrub' Bill of Wasteful Spending

A group of 16 senators was meeting today behind closed doors to hammer out a package of cuts.

According to Collins, R-Maine, the group achieved an "in-depth scrubbing of the bill, going line by line item by item."

Emerging from the meeting for a midday break, Sen. Joe Lieberman said the group of Democrats and five Republicans were at a "breakthrough" moment.

Ohio Sen. George Voinovich, one of the moderate Republicans who participated in the closed-door meeting, told ABC News he expects the group to get behind lowering the overall size of the bill to $750 billion.

To sell the package, Voinovich also said he expects several governors to come to Washington, D.C., next week to vouch for the speed with which the proposed federal projects could begin.

Collins also said President Obama had convinced her Wednesday that the bill needs to be larger than $650 billion, but she would not say what the top line would be after the scrubbing is complete. Collins said the senators "agreed to tens of billions of adjustments."

Much of the funding they cut will be redirected to an omnibus funding bill for regular government appropriations. For instance, Collins said the stimulus had funding for pandemic flu preparation, something that concerns all senators but should not be in a stimulus.

Despite efforts to cut wasteful spending, it continues to grow.

The bill was $819 billion when it passed the House. It hit the Senate floor Monday at $887 billion. And after a flurry of amendments, it now stands at $920 billion.

Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., said on MSNBC this morning that he has already identified more than $100 billion in spending he considers extraneous -- fueling GOP arguments that the measure has gotten out of hand.

"You really did have these proposals going into the appropriations committees and people filling up buckets with projects," Webb said. "My staff went through this thing a couple of nights ago. We found more than $100 billion of items that really don't meet those criteria and that's part of the debate we're having right now. Do we add something with those or can we take those out?"

Debate on the Senate floor got heated this morning.

"This bill stinks," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "The process that brought it here stinks. Not a single Republican in the House voted for it. Maybe every Republican is just crazy, I don't think so."

There are still an undetermined number of amendments to be voted on, including the McCain alternative -- a $475 billion bill that includes $275 billion in tax cuts -- and a still unwritten amendment to come from the centrist group that would cut extraneous spending.

But Democratic leaders insist there is very little extraneous spending. Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said the so-called "pork" provisions in the bill were minuscule in relation to the 735-page bill.

"If I could do this in a symbolic way, that their measures account for one page," Durbin said, ripping the sheet of paper. "One page of this bill. You listen to the things that they list, that they found so objectionable, they count, in dollar terms, to about one page of this bill."

In the House, meantime, leaders of the fiscally conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition sent a letter Wednesday to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer urging more scrubbing of the stimulus bill when the House revisits the bill in conference.

Two of the eight leaders who signed the letter joined the unanimous House Republican conference in voting against the stimulus bill last week in the House.

The letter notes that "while a number of Blue Dogs voted against the package considered in the House, many of those who did support it did so with serious reservations and the conviction that the package should and would be improved through Senate consideration."

"Now that the Senate is debating its stimulus and recovery package, reports indicate certain senators, including Sen. [Ben] Nelson of Nebraska and Sen. [Susan] Collins of Maine, are engaged in a bipartisan effort to pare further spending. We believe that's a highly worthwhile goal, and that there are additional provisions that would be better left for consideration in regular order," wrote the Blue Dogs.

"We look forward to working with you to achieve that goal and ensure that any final stimulus and recovery package is properly focused to achieve the results the American people expect and deserve. "

It's going to be a long eight years for the GOP.

What Prince Reid believes is actually 180 degrees away from reality! This is the reason this Porkulus Package is still out there hanging on by a thread! And the longer it hangs out there the more likely it will die with a self induced death. BHO almost blew his cap off last night at the Democratic get away in VA because the darn Porkulus is still not passed! And if the Porkulus doesn't passed at all, it will be a very long 4 years for BHO.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Jiggz
What Prince Reid believes is actually 180 degrees away from reality! This is the reason this Porkulus Package is still out there hanging on by a thread! And the longer it hangs out there the more likely it will die with a self induced death. BHO almost blew his cap off last night at the Democratic get away in VA because the darn Porkulus is still not passed! And if the Porkulus doesn't passed at all, it will be a very long 4 years for BHO.

CNN just reported that a tentative deal has been struck in the Senate that gives the bill more than enough votes to pass.

Obama +1

 

[Gothgar]

it is amusing watching people so completely enamored by politics, so dependent on it, without it they would be lost individuals

 

[bozack]

I am doing my part to help not stimulate the economy, I have for the most part stopped buying things, we are going to get rid of all of our credit cards, and I have boycotted buying anything from Chicago (had a chance to spend nearly $100+ from a merchant there and decided to buy from a vendor in nashville instead)....I'll do my best to avoid other dem hot spots for purchases, thankfully I already have most everything I need/want.

The joke will be on the dems when people see how pork laiden their bills are and how rooked the public is.

It will be a fun 8 years watching the economy crash and burn because of all the dems mis-steps...hopefully Barney Frank is finally removed from office next time around.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: bozack
I am doing my part to help not stimulate the economy, I have for the most part stopped buying things, we are going to get rid of all of our credit cards, and I have boycotted buying anything from Chicago (had a chance to spend nearly $100+ from a merchant there and decided to buy from a vendor in nashville instead)....I'll do my best to avoid other dem hot spots for purchases, thankfully I already have most everything I need/want.

The joke will be on the dems when people see how pork laiden their bills are and how rooked the public is.

It will be a fun 8 years watching the economy crash and burn because of all the dems mis-steps...hopefully Barney Frank is finally removed from office next time around.

You're a spiteful little man, aren't you?

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

You're a spiteful little man, aren't you?

No more so than the whacko libs who post here with frequency...and it is my money so I can do with it as I see fit...it actually felt good to avoid that chicago business, and when I dump the credit cards and start saving money it will feel even better..shame too as what I used to spend on sales taxes alone I would imagine helped out my state alot with the amount of crap I would buy...no more.

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jiggz
What Prince Reid believes is actually 180 degrees away from reality! This is the reason this Porkulus Package is still out there hanging on by a thread! And the longer it hangs out there the more likely it will die with a self induced death. BHO almost blew his cap off last night at the Democratic get away in VA because the darn Porkulus is still not passed! And if the Porkulus doesn't passed at all, it will be a very long 4 years for BHO.

CNN just reported that a tentative deal has been struck in the Senate that gives the bill more than enough votes to pass.

Obama +1

Tentative! Here you go again, rallying the bandwagon like it's already a done deal! Sure BHO will eventually get this package but only after it's revised, corrected and approved by Americans!

 

[Lemon law]

To agree with Jiggz, here is the Yahoo news version this morning.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...xrA29iYW1hc2Vjb25vbQ--

After cutting some 100 billion from the Senate version regarding programs that will not create jobs in the short term, quite a number of moderate GOP Senators defected, leaving Mc Connell short of the number needed to sustain a filibuster. And unless McConnell can sustain a solid GOP, the stimulus bill will soon pass the Senate with only remaining barrier being resolving the Senate and House versions.

But Honor satisfied, the GOP can also claim to have improved the bill.

But overall the Obama unity strategy is the big winner and its going to be a long two years for the GOP if they try obstructionism. As team Obama later starts to get their hands on the levers of power in the executive branch, they can augment speaking softly, with the power of carrying a very big stick.

It may be time to realize, that 11/2010 is not that far off, and if the GOP wants to obstruct everything, 1/6/2011 may see a US Senate with far fewer than 40 GOP Senators.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To agree with Jiggz, here is the Yahoo news version this morning.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...xrA29iYW1hc2Vjb25vbQ--

After cutting some 100 billion from the Senate version regarding programs that will not create jobs in the short term, quite a number of moderate GOP Senators defected, leaving Mc Connell short of the number needed to sustain a filibuster. And unless McConnell can sustain a solid GOP, the stimulus bill will soon pass the Senate with only remaining barrier being resolving the Senate and House versions.

But Honor satisfied, the GOP can also claim to have improved the bill.

But overall the Obama unity strategy is the big winner and its going to be a long two years for the GOP if they try obstructionism. As team Obama later starts to get their hands on the levers of power in the executive branch, they can augment speaking softly, with the power of carrying a very big stick.

It may be time to realize, that 11/2010 is not that far off, and if the GOP wants to obstruct everything, 1/6/2011 may see a US Senate with far fewer than 40 GOP Senators.

lol getting a couple Rs to sign on is "unity"? Buahahaha you libs are hilarious.

 

[Lemon law]

As Cad notes, "lol getting a couple Rs to sign on is "unity"? Buahahaha you libs are hilarious."

Its more sad than hilarious, but if that is what it takes, then it is all its takes to relegate the GOP to the junkyard of relevant political parties.

It still adds up to the GOP can't lead, the bulk of it cannot follow, and if needed, it will be bulldozed out of the way. . How Cad can take delight in that is beyond me.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Overgloc
Why don't they vote then if that can pass it? Cause they know it FULL OF SHIT. All 500 millions people in the USA Don't Like it.

Did every woman in the states have a baby today or something?

Tell me you're not American.

Try to keep up...

Remember how well the "57 states" comment worked for the McCain camp? :laugh:

That's nice you guys are keeping busy, though.

I voted for Obama and supported him during the entire campaign, you blindly partisan jackass.

Like I said, try to keep up...