McCain at the Final Debate

[jonks]

He could always bring up the horrible amount of wasteful earmark spending...

http://economistsview.typepad....9/john-mccains-bi.html

....or maybe he shouldn't

 

[dbk]

Funny thing is Obama almost dared him to do so by asking why McCain didn't ask him face to face in the 2nd debate. If McCain does so, it's game over. Independents and undecided voters will go to Obama's side.
Plus, McCain camp will have to deal with "Troopergate" in the upcoming weeks - what will be different this time is that Obama won't be the one coming out swinging with the attacks, it will be the MSM.
I have this feeling in the back of my mind that Obama will be addressing all his past connections in his 30 min TV spot after the economy.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He will. Obama and Biden basically called him a pussy yesterday for not talking about Ayers to Obama's face at debate two.

Really? Do you have any clips/links to stories? I'd love to see what they said exactly.

 

[yllus]

Only if he wants the Keating stuff to come up as a response from Senator Obama. In general though I don't think he's willing to compromise that much of his integrity.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: dbk
I have this feeling in the back of my mind that Obama will be addressing all his past connections in his 30 min TV spot after the economy.

A couple days before the election? I say not a chance. I imagine he's going to try to reach back to his message in the primaries, find some of the inspirationspeak that he's been missing for the past few months. Hope n' change, etc. But 30 minutes worth...that's a lottaobama.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: jonks
He could always bring up the horrible amount of wasteful earmark spending...

http://economistsview.typepad....9/john-mccains-bi.html

....or maybe he shouldn't

I love the oil offshore drilling graph below the earmarks pie chart. Drill baby drill!

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Madwand1
The wheels are in motion, and have been for a long time. McCain has no choice but to bring it up now, and to bring it up strongly.

Agreed. This is McCains biggest/effective card that he has left. Just look at all the Obama supporters that say that McCain should not bring it up. Obviously, if the MSM and the obama supporters don't want McCain to bring it up, there's probably a reason -- and it ain't to help McCain win that's for sure

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He will. Obama and Biden basically called him a pussy yesterday for not talking about Ayers to Obama's face at debate two.

Really? Do you have any clips/links to stories? I'd love to see what they said exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUqH4rBBpdU&e

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...008/10/09/1522310.aspx

 

[imported_Imp]

No, but not cause he's not comfortable. I think McCain know's it's a fairly weak arguement that Obama probably has an hour long rebuttal to.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Madwand1
The wheels are in motion, and have been for a long time. McCain has no choice but to bring it up now, and to bring it up strongly.

Agreed. This is McCains biggest/effective card that he has left. Just look at all the Obama supporters that say that McCain should not bring it up. Obviously, if the MSM and the obama supporters don't want McCain to bring it up, there's probably a reason -- and it ain't to help McCain win that's for sure

Reading comp ftl? The poll in this thread and posters here don't say McCain "shouldn't" bring it up, they say they don't think he will. We'd LOVE him to bring it up and get schooled and look like a totally clueless person talking about 60s bombings while the stock market is looking to avoid hitting 7000. Please bring it up.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Madwand1
The wheels are in motion, and have been for a long time. McCain has no choice but to bring it up now, and to bring it up strongly.

Agreed. This is McCains biggest/effective card that he has left. Just look at all the Obama supporters that say that McCain should not bring it up. Obviously, if the MSM and the obama supporters don't want McCain to bring it up, there's probably a reason -- and it ain't to help McCain win that's for sure

Reading comp ftl? The poll in this thread and posters here don't say McCain "shouldn't" bring it up, they say they don't think he will. We'd LOVE him to bring it up and get schooled and look like a totally clueless person talking about 60s bombings while the stock market is looking to avoid hitting 7000. Please bring it up.

That would be a cool debate. Bring on Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, the lapel, His name change from Barry to Obama, Chicago politics, etc. That would be a sluggfest. Kids gloves should be off. They should slug it out. Entertaining TV. Heck, if McCain can withstand his POW captures, hopefully, he can withstand the verbiage that Obama would throw at him.

It should be an all out, drag out. McCain has nothing to lose -- go for broke and ask the serious questions: "should a man on the verge of being president have the judgment and the foresight not to associate with a terrorist who is willing to kill americans?"

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Madwand1
The wheels are in motion, and have been for a long time. McCain has no choice but to bring it up now, and to bring it up strongly.

Agreed. This is McCains biggest/effective card that he has left. Just look at all the Obama supporters that say that McCain should not bring it up. Obviously, if the MSM and the obama supporters don't want McCain to bring it up, there's probably a reason -- and it ain't to help McCain win that's for sure

I hope McCain does bring it up. He'll get destroyed and look like a fool. The fact that Obama and Ayers served on a couple of boards together and that Ayers hosted a meeting for Obama in 95 is rather inconsequential today, don't you think? Not to mention that they basically haven't had a relationship since 2002. Oh, and Ayers committed his crimes more than 20 years ago. If you went around and asked everyone you even knew what crimes they've committed during their lives, and disowned them based on that fact, you'd be a very lonely person. If Ayers is all the Republicans have, and plan to use, they are a sad, sad group of individuals.

Like I said, I hope McCain does bring it up. He'll look like a fool especially considering that The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker, and The New Republic have all conducted investigations and determined that Obama and Ayers didn't have a close relationship.

Keating Five is 10x more damaging to the Republicans than Ayers is to the Democrats and any reasonable person knows this and that's why McCain won't mention Ayers. It'd be utterly retarded. But hey, that's modern Republicanism for you.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Madwand1
The wheels are in motion, and have been for a long time. McCain has no choice but to bring it up now, and to bring it up strongly.

Agreed. This is McCains biggest/effective card that he has left. Just look at all the Obama supporters that say that McCain should not bring it up. Obviously, if the MSM and the obama supporters don't want McCain to bring it up, there's probably a reason -- and it ain't to help McCain win that's for sure

Reading comp ftl? The poll in this thread and posters here don't say McCain "shouldn't" bring it up, they say they don't think he will. We'd LOVE him to bring it up and get schooled and look like a totally clueless person talking about 60s bombings while the stock market is looking to avoid hitting 7000. Please bring it up.

That would be a cool debate. Bring on Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, the lapel, His name change from Barry to Obama, Chicago politics, etc. That would be a sluggfest. Kids gloves should be off. They should slug it out. Entertaining TV. Heck, if McCain can withstand his POW captures, hopefully, he can withstand the verbiage that Obama would throw at him.

It should be an all out, drag out. McCain has nothing to lose -- go for broke and ask the serious questions: "should a man on the verge of being president have the judgment and the foresight not to associate with a terrorist who is willing to kill americans?"

While I agree that that would be "entertaining", the fact that you think those things are more important than the economy and the war says that you are the one not in touch with american voters. It's a "serious question"? People's life savings, retirement funds, 401ks, etc, have just lost 50% of their value. If those people are watching the debate and hear "Well, this guy associated himself with a known terrorist!" you can't see them screaming at the screen, "who gives a fuck! what the fuck are you going to do about my money asshole!"

JM:"You know ayers!"
BO:"you were buds with keating and abramoff!"
JM: "You had a racist pastor!"
BO:"you begged for a fundamentalist endorsement!"

This is what you think America needs to hear about? The "serious" questions?

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He will. Obama and Biden basically called him a pussy yesterday for not talking about Ayers to Obama's face at debate two.

Really? Do you have any clips/links to stories? I'd love to see what they said exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUqH4rBBpdU&e

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...008/10/09/1522310.aspx

Thank you.

I voted no in the poll, and I still don't think McCain is stupid enough to bring this up at a debate.

Edit: There's a reason Obama/Biden are taunting him, and it's not because they're scared of this issue coming up.

These idiot Republicans who think this is hard hitting stuff don't realize that objective people dismiss this crap for the same reason Republicans dismiss Keating and Hagee and even AIP.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Madwand1
The wheels are in motion, and have been for a long time. McCain has no choice but to bring it up now, and to bring it up strongly.

Agreed. This is McCains biggest/effective card that he has left. Just look at all the Obama supporters that say that McCain should not bring it up. Obviously, if the MSM and the obama supporters don't want McCain to bring it up, there's probably a reason -- and it ain't to help McCain win that's for sure

Reading comp ftl? The poll in this thread and posters here don't say McCain "shouldn't" bring it up, they say they don't think he will. We'd LOVE him to bring it up and get schooled and look like a totally clueless person talking about 60s bombings while the stock market is looking to avoid hitting 7000. Please bring it up.

That would be a cool debate. Bring on Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, the lapel, His name change from Barry to Obama, Chicago politics, etc. That would be a sluggfest. Kids gloves should be off. They should slug it out. Entertaining TV. Heck, if McCain can withstand his POW captures, hopefully, he can withstand the verbiage that Obama would throw at him.

It should be an all out, drag out. McCain has nothing to lose -- go for broke and ask the serious questions: "should a man on the verge of being president have the judgment and the foresight not to associate with a terrorist who is willing to kill americans?"

While I agree that that would be "entertaining", the fact that you think those things are more important than the economy and the war says that you are the one not in touch with american voters. It's a "serious question"? People's life savings, retirement funds, 401ks, etc, have just lost 50% of their value. If those people are watching the debate and hear "Well, this guy associated himself with a known terrorist!" you can't see them screaming at the screen, "who gives a fuck! what the fuck are you going to do about my money asshole!"

"You know ayers!"
"you were buds with keating and abramoff!"
"You had a racist pastor!"
"you begged for a fundamentalist endorsement!"

This is what you think America needs to hear about? The "serious" questions?

Dragout... Sluggfest!!! Does Obama have the judgment and the foresight necessary to be president? Does he have the foresight and the judgment to help lead Americans out of this financial crisis?

If Obama doesn't even have the foresight and the judgment not to associate with killers, and corrupt chicago politicians.. if he doesn't even have the foresight to see how NOT wearing a lapel can be misconstrued by some who LOVE this great nation -- who have fought and died for this nation, to see him as Anti-american.

How can he be trusted to help fellow Americans that are losing their jobs.. losing their homes? Seeing their nest egg gone? These are all "serious" questions.

Maybe you disagree... but it would make great TV Barry needs to explain or expound. McCain has nothing left to lose.... Go for broke!!! Drill, Baby, Drill!!!

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He will. Obama and Biden basically called him a pussy yesterday for not talking about Ayers to Obama's face at debate two.

If so, is there any chance obama will mention palin's husband being in a secessionist party, or is that not their style? I think it's not their style but it is a bit of a trump card.

Having a personal relationship with a terrorist who ADMITS to blowing up the Pentagon, the Capitol, a judge's house, etc. and LIKING IT...

OR...

Having a husband who was in a political party that wanted to seceed from a country that has abandoned its founding principles.

Hmmm... I'll take option #2 Alex... well, except I am a guy... Hmmm... He is hot though... decisions decisions.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eleison
If Obama doesn't even have the foresight and the judgment not to associate with killers...

McCain has nothing left to lose....

At least you admit McCain already spent his dignity and integrity in this campaign. But there's another minor problem...Ayers never killed anyone. Republicans who know ayers call the smear campaign ridiculous:

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier," said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. "It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He will. Obama and Biden basically called him a pussy yesterday for not talking about Ayers to Obama's face at debate two.

If so, is there any chance obama will mention palin's husband being in a secessionist party, or is that not their style? I think it's not their style but it is a bit of a trump card.

Having a personal relationship with a terrorist who ADMITS to blowing up the Pentagon, the Capitol, a judge's house, etc. and LIKING IT...

OR...

Having a husband who was in a political party that wanted to seceed from a country that has abandoned its founding principles.

Hmmm... I'll take option #2 Alex... well, except I am a guy... Hmmm... He is hot though... decisions decisions.

Explain "personal relationship" since every news outlet that investigated concluded that they didn't have one.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: eleison




Dragout... Sluggfest!!! Does Obama have the judgment and the foresight necessary to be president? Does he have the foresight and the judgment to help lead Americans out of this financial crisis?

If Obama doesn't even have the foresight and the judgment not to associate with killers, and corrupt chicago politicians.. if he doesn't even have the foresight to see how NOT wearing a lapel can be misconstrued by some who LOVE this great nation -- who have fought and died for this nation, to see him as Anti-american.

How can he be trusted to help fellow Americans that are losing their jobs.. losing their homes? Seeing their nest egg gone? These are all "serious" questions.

Maybe you disagree... but it would make great TV Barry needs to explain or expound. McCain has nothing left to lose....

These are not your views, right?

I only ask because they are ridiculous. Like I said previously, Ayers is nothing compared to Keating Five. McCain should be in jail.

When Obama knew Ayers, he was a well-respected professor in Chicago doing community work. Ayers committed the crimes 20 years prior. In all likelihood, Obama had no idea who Ayers was or what he had done. And it was 20 years prior. I assume you associate with no one that has ever done anything stupid in their past, right? Oh, and by associate I mean meet at conferences or be in the same room. Anyone who has seriously investigated the relationship has discovered it wasn't friendship.

Any while McCain asks these stupid questions that have no relevance (while wasting time), the country suffers. Party victory above all, right? Sounds very patriotic.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He will. Obama and Biden basically called him a pussy yesterday for not talking about Ayers to Obama's face at debate two.

If so, is there any chance obama will mention palin's husband being in a secessionist party, or is that not their style? I think it's not their style but it is a bit of a trump card.

The Obama campaign has a whole can of whoop-ass they could use in response to any Ayers or Wright garbage.

Perhaps this is why he won't. Obama can respond with any number of things that will have 10x as much impact.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He will. Obama and Biden basically called him a pussy yesterday for not talking about Ayers to Obama's face at debate two.

If so, is there any chance obama will mention palin's husband being in a secessionist party, or is that not their style? I think it's not their style but it is a bit of a trump card.

The Obama campaign has a whole can of whoop-ass they could use in response to any Ayers or Wright garbage.

Perhaps this is why he won't. Obama can respond with any number of things that will have 10x as much impact.

I hope both parties bring out the can of "whoop-ass".. The 2nd president debate was a bore. Let the canidates "get it on".. it been too "pc" for too long. Lets get some serious answers, and not just stump speeches.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Obama is responding to the attacks by daring McCain to say it to his face, knowing that McCain cannot bring himself to look Obama in the eye.

Kerry and Dukakis failed to adequately respond to personal attacks, and Obama is not going to make that mistake. He and Biden are making the rounds daring them to say it where they would have an undecided crowd and implying that it is not true and that McCain is a coward for hiding and saying it. Thus attacking McCain on his daring maverick image.

Polls are showing that the negative attacks are hurting the candidates who make them, not helping them like in previous election campaigns.

So yes, he is baiting McCain to make the personal attacks face-to-face, knowing that such things are only hurting McCain. It forces McCain to either own up to it and look like an ass on national TV, or back away and look like a cowardly bully.

I disagree with the "walk up to him" bit. That would come off as confrontational and an attempt at physically intimidating a frail old man. Obama should very calmly and even with a smile on his face challenge McCain to own up to and repeat the smears, while sitting back a respectable distance in a relaxed posture. But unlike his reaction to the "green behind the ears" comment in the last debate, he should not turn away from McCain or look away from him during his response. Keep looking straight at him, calm, cool and collected. Don't show any anger or irritation, or it will distract from McCain's asshattery.

Game and set to Obama...

 

[IronWing]

McCain can't bring up Rev. Wright. It would befuddle the Christian base who think Obama is a Muslim.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

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Game and set to Obama...

Exactly.. McCain has nothing to lose.

 

[Balt]

He MUST know by this point that Obama has a response prepared, so maybe not.