MC68000 @ 7.6 MHz compared to 65c816 @ 3.58MHz

[NTMBK]

The CDi was... interesting. The base controller was like a Wii remote almost, without the motion controls. Which for 7th Guest, was great. Kick back on the couch, and play the whole thing with just one hand. We had the wireless one, which was IR based, but it functioned fine. The gamepad was a bit meh.

From a hardware perspective it was pretty impressive, but it really lacked games. Even finding games was hard.

Quake and Quake II were both available for the N64. I recall playing both of them. But being that I normally played on Expert CTF servers on the desktop, going to console controls felt like playing underwater. It looked fine for the time, did not play great. Quake played about the same on the PlayStation, it just looked a lot worse.

Did the N64 ports of Quake I/II add anything special? I know Doom 64 was actually a whole new campaign, but I don't know much about Quake.

 

[Stuka87]

Did the N64 ports of Quake I/II add anything special? I know Doom 64 was actually a whole new campaign, but I don't know much about Quake.

I know Quake 1 was a bit different. It did not have the level select room with the portals like the PC/Mac version. It had 2 player split screen (ran terribly), it had different music. The thing that stuck out to me was colored lighting, which made the game look quite a bit different.

Quake II had a few extra levels, and it had FOUR player split screen, and thankfully the quality was dropped so it ran ok.

 

[skaertus]

Back to the main topic of this thread, I found this page (https://gamicus.gamepedia.com/Instructions_per_second) which brings a chronological list of processors and how they performed relative to each other. The measures are in MIPS and MFLOPS. MIPS (million instructions per second) is now considered to be an obsolete measure of speed and power. MIPS only measures the CPU speed and does not take into consideration other factors. Still, I suppose this website gives us a hint of the relative power of those older systems which cannot be compared with Geekbench or so. I am not sure if the information is accurate, but it seems not too far from the truth.

There are some interesting things there. The Atari 2600 seems to be more powerful than the Apple II, and about as much as the Sega Master System, released almost a decade later. And the NES seems to be more powerful than the Master System in terms of raw power.

The 16-bit consoles are not many times more powerful as the 8-bit ones, as one could imagine. The Genesis is about 10% faster than the Super NES, and about 10% slower than Capcom CP System (the board used for Final Fight and Street Fighter II). The Neo Geo is 50% faster than the SNES, and therefore not much more powerful than any of the other 16-bit consoles. The TurboGrafix 16, although an 8-bit console, was more powerful than any of them.

The Super FX made the SNES much faster. However, the SVP for the Genesis made it eat dust, and was even faster than the Super FX 2 which was released after it.

The Capcom CP System II (used for later 2D fighting games, such as Street Fighter Alpha and Marvel Super Heroes) was double the speed of the Genesis, but far slower than consoles released that year. The Atari Jaguar is much faster than any of the other consoles that came prior to it, and miles ahead of the 3DO.

The Sega Saturn was about 40x faster than the Genesis, a considerable difference! But it was half the speed of the Sony Playstation, which seems to be even faster than the Nintendo 64. The Sega Dreamcast is almost 5x faster than the Saturn; and the following generation brought much more power. By then, MIPS probably became a very obsolete measure of power.

The table may be flawed, but it is interesting. I put some of the processors which I found more interesting in the table below, for reference.

Console/Computer	Year	CPU	GPU	MIPS
Apple II	1977	MOS 6502 @ 1 MHz	Discrete Circuitry	0.43
Atari 2600	1977	MOS 6502 @ 1.19 MHz	N/A	0.51
IBM PC	1981	Intel 8088 @ 4.77 MHz	IBM MDA	0.71
Nintendo Famicom / NES	1983	Ricoh 2A03 (MOS 6502) @ 1.8 MHz	Ricoh PPU	0.78
IBM PC/AT	1984	Intel 80286 @ 6 MHz	IBM EGA	1.3
Apple Macintosh	1984	Motorola 68000 @ 8 MHz	Apple DMA Video Controller	1.4
Sega Master System	1985	NEC 780C (Zilog Z80) @ 3.58 MHz	Sega 315-5124 VDP	0.53
NEC PC Engine / TurboGrafx 16	1987	Hudson Soft HuC6280 @ 7.2 MHz	Hudson Soft HuC6260, Hudson Soft HuC6270A	3.1
Sega Mega Drive / Genesis	1988	Motorola 68000 @ 7.67 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 3.58 MHz	Yamaha YM7101 VDP	2
Capcom CP System	1988	Motorola 68000 @ 10 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 3.58 MHz	Capcom CPS-A, Capcom CPS-B	2.3
Nintendo Super Famicom / Super NES	1990	Ricoh 5A22 (65C816) @ 3.58 MHz	Ricoh 5C77 (PPU1), Ricoh 5C78 (PPU2)	1.8
SNK Neo Geo	1990	Toshiba 68HC000 (Motorola 68000) @ 12 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 4 MHz	SNK PRO, SNK LSPC2, SNK NEO	2.7
Sega Mega CD / Sega CD	1991	Motorola 68000 @ 12.5 MHz (+Sega Genesis)	Sega Custom ASIC (+ Sega Genesis)	4.2
Capcom CP System II	1993	Motorola 68000 @ 16 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 8 MHz	Capcom CPS-A, Capcom CPS-B	4
Super FX (Super NES chip)	1993	(+ Super NES)	Super FX GSU-1, Super FX GSU-2 (+Super NES)	4.8
Atari Jaguar	1993	Atari Jerry @ 26.6 MHz, Motorola 68000 @ 13.295 MHz	Atari Tom @ 25.591 MHz	56
Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer	1993	ARM60 @ 13 MHz, ARM FPA	Panasonic Custom Math	11
Sega SVP (Sega Genesis chip)	1994	(+ Sega Genesis)	Samsung SSP1161 DSP @ 23 MHz (+ Sega Genesis)	27
Sega 32X	1994	Hitachi SH-2 @ 24 MHz (+ Sega Genesis)	Hitachi SH-2 @ 24 MHz (+ Sega Genesis)	50
Sega Saturn	1994	2x Hitachi SH-2 @ 29 MHz, Hitachi SH-1 @ 20 MHz, Motorola 68EC000 @ 12 MHz	Sega VDP1 @ 28.7 MHz, Sega VDP2 @ 28.7 MHz	80
Sony Playstation	1994	IDT/MIPS R3051 (R3000A) @ 33.8 MHz	Sony Geometry Transformation Engine, Sony MDEC	176
Super FX 2 (Super NES chip)	1995	(+ Super NES)	Super FX 2 (+ Super NES)	23
Capcom CP System III	1996	Hitachi SH-2 @ 65 MHz	Capcom DL-2729 PPU SD10-505, Toshiba DL-2829 CCU SD07-1514	64
Nintendo 64	1996	NEC VR4300 (MIPS R4300i) @ 93.75 MHz	SGI RCP (Reality Co-Processor) @ 62.5 MHz	126
Sega Dreamcast	1998	Hitachi SH-4 @ 200 MHz, ARM7 @ 45 MHz	Hitachi SH-4 FPU @ 200 MHz, NEC/VideoLogic Power VR2 @ 100 MHz	391
Sony Playstation 2	2000	Sony/Toshiba Emotion Engine @ 300 MHz, MIPS R3000A @ 38 MHz	Sony/Toshiba Emotion Engine FPU @ 300 MHz, Sony/Toshiba Graphics Synthesizer @ 147 MHz	1997
Microsoft XBOX	2001	Intel Pentium III @ 733 MHz	NVIDIA GeForce 3 XGPU @ 233 MHz	1203
Nintendo Game Cube	2001	Nintendo/IBM PowerPC 750CXe (PowerPC G3) "Gekko" @ 486 MHz	Nintendo/ArtX Flipper @ 162 MHz	1596

 

[Kilobit81]

Back to the main topic of this thread, I found this page (https://gamicus.gamepedia.com/Instructions_per_second) which brings a chronological list of processors and how they performed relative to each other. The measures are in MIPS and MFLOPS. MIPS (million instructions per second) is now considered to be an obsolete measure of speed and power. MIPS only measures the CPU speed and does not take into consideration other factors. Still, I suppose this website gives us a hint of the relative power of those older systems which cannot be compared with Geekbench or so. I am not sure if the information is accurate, but it seems not too far from the truth.

There are some interesting things there. The Atari 2600 seems to be more powerful than the Apple II, and about as much as the Sega Master System, released almost a decade later. And the NES seems to be more powerful than the Master System in terms of raw power.

The 16-bit consoles are not many times more powerful as the 8-bit ones, as one could imagine. The Genesis is about 10% faster than the Super NES, and about 10% slower than Capcom CP System (the board used for Final Fight and Street Fighter II). The Neo Geo is 50% faster than the SNES, and therefore not much more powerful than any of the other 16-bit consoles. The TurboGrafix 16, although an 8-bit console, was more powerful than any of them.

The Super FX made the SNES much faster. However, the SVP for the Genesis made it eat dust, and was even faster than the Super FX 2 which was released after it.

The Capcom CP System II (used for later 2D fighting games, such as Street Fighter Alpha and Marvel Super Heroes) was double the speed of the Genesis, but far slower than consoles released that year. The Atari Jaguar is much faster than any of the other consoles that came prior to it, and miles ahead of the 3DO.

The Sega Saturn was about 40x faster than the Genesis, a considerable difference! But it was half the speed of the Sony Playstation, which seems to be even faster than the Nintendo 64. The Sega Dreamcast is almost 5x faster than the Saturn; and the following generation brought much more power. By then, MIPS probably became a very obsolete measure of power.

The table may be flawed, but it is interesting. I put some of the processors which I found more interesting in the table below, for reference.

Console/Computer	Year	CPU	GPU	MIPS
Apple II	1977	MOS 6502 @ 1 MHz	Discrete Circuitry	0.43
Atari 2600	1977	MOS 6502 @ 1.19 MHz	N/A	0.51
IBM PC	1981	Intel 8088 @ 4.77 MHz	IBM MDA	0.71
Nintendo Famicom / NES	1983	Ricoh 2A03 (MOS 6502) @ 1.8 MHz	Ricoh PPU	0.78
IBM PC/AT	1984	Intel 80286 @ 6 MHz	IBM EGA	1.3
Apple Macintosh	1984	Motorola 68000 @ 8 MHz	Apple DMA Video Controller	1.4
Sega Master System	1985	NEC 780C (Zilog Z80) @ 3.58 MHz	Sega 315-5124 VDP	0.53
NEC PC Engine / TurboGrafx 16	1987	Hudson Soft HuC6280 @ 7.2 MHz	Hudson Soft HuC6260, Hudson Soft HuC6270A	3.1
Sega Mega Drive / Genesis	1988	Motorola 68000 @ 7.67 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 3.58 MHz	Yamaha YM7101 VDP	2
Capcom CP System	1988	Motorola 68000 @ 10 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 3.58 MHz	Capcom CPS-A, Capcom CPS-B	2.3
Nintendo Super Famicom / Super NES	1990	Ricoh 5A22 (65C816) @ 3.58 MHz	Ricoh 5C77 (PPU1), Ricoh 5C78 (PPU2)	1.8
SNK Neo Geo	1990	Toshiba 68HC000 (Motorola 68000) @ 12 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 4 MHz	SNK PRO, SNK LSPC2, SNK NEO	2.7
Sega Mega CD / Sega CD	1991	Motorola 68000 @ 12.5 MHz (+Sega Genesis)	Sega Custom ASIC (+ Sega Genesis)	4.2
Capcom CP System II	1993	Motorola 68000 @ 16 MHz, Zilog Z80 @ 8 MHz	Capcom CPS-A, Capcom CPS-B	4
Super FX (Super NES chip)	1993	(+ Super NES)	Super FX GSU-1, Super FX GSU-2 (+Super NES)	4.8
Atari Jaguar	1993	Atari Jerry @ 26.6 MHz, Motorola 68000 @ 13.295 MHz	Atari Tom @ 25.591 MHz	56
Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer	1993	ARM60 @ 13 MHz, ARM FPA	Panasonic Custom Math	11
Sega SVP (Sega Genesis chip)	1994	(+ Sega Genesis)	Samsung SSP1161 DSP @ 23 MHz (+ Sega Genesis)	27
Sega 32X	1994	Hitachi SH-2 @ 24 MHz (+ Sega Genesis)	Hitachi SH-2 @ 24 MHz (+ Sega Genesis)	50
Sega Saturn	1994	2x Hitachi SH-2 @ 29 MHz, Hitachi SH-1 @ 20 MHz, Motorola 68EC000 @ 12 MHz	Sega VDP1 @ 28.7 MHz, Sega VDP2 @ 28.7 MHz	80
Sony Playstation	1994	IDT/MIPS R3051 (R3000A) @ 33.8 MHz	Sony Geometry Transformation Engine, Sony MDEC	176
Super FX 2 (Super NES chip)	1995	(+ Super NES)	Super FX 2 (+ Super NES)	23
Capcom CP System III	1996	Hitachi SH-2 @ 65 MHz	Capcom DL-2729 PPU SD10-505, Toshiba DL-2829 CCU SD07-1514	64
Nintendo 64	1996	NEC VR4300 (MIPS R4300i) @ 93.75 MHz	SGI RCP (Reality Co-Processor) @ 62.5 MHz	126
Sega Dreamcast	1998	Hitachi SH-4 @ 200 MHz, ARM7 @ 45 MHz	Hitachi SH-4 FPU @ 200 MHz, NEC/VideoLogic Power VR2 @ 100 MHz	391
Sony Playstation 2	2000	Sony/Toshiba Emotion Engine @ 300 MHz, MIPS R3000A @ 38 MHz	Sony/Toshiba Emotion Engine FPU @ 300 MHz, Sony/Toshiba Graphics Synthesizer @ 147 MHz	1997
Microsoft XBOX	2001	Intel Pentium III @ 733 MHz	NVIDIA GeForce 3 XGPU @ 233 MHz	1203
Nintendo Game Cube	2001	Nintendo/IBM PowerPC 750CXe (PowerPC G3) "Gekko" @ 486 MHz	Nintendo/ArtX Flipper @ 162 MHz	1596

I don't know where you got your chart from but I do know the Genesis/Mega Drive can only perform 1.33 MIPs @ 7.67 MHzand the SNES performs 1.79 MIPs @ 3.58 MHz. Just thought I would clear that up for you.