MB Pushing For Female Genital Mutiliation

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Islamic apologists in the West maintain that female genital mutilation has nothing to do with Islam, and that only greasy Islamophobes think otherwise. But eventually Muslims themselves get around to vindicating every last charge that greasy Islamophobes have ever made about Islamic belief and practice.
"Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr 'clitoris' [this is called khufaadh 'female circumcision'])." -- 'Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
"It happens at night: Genital mutilation in Egypt," by Cornelia Wegerhoff for Deutsche Welle, November 22 (thanks to Lachlan):
Despite being legally banned, female genital mutilation in Egypt is on the rise, causing lifelong pains, health problems and even death for the women who undergo it. Islamists are pushing to legalize the procedure again. Umm Mohamed lives in a part of Cairo where others dump their garbage. The 47-year-old Muslim woman has experienced many hardships in her life. Putting on a brave face, she says she is used to being daily surrounded by dirt and misery. But what really hurts, she admits, is the pain she personally had to endure 35 years ago.
When Mohamed was 12, nearly all parents from the quarter where she lived brought their daughters of the same age to a hair dresser. "We didn't know why," she says, "but we were all very excited, as each girl had just been given a new, white dress."
In celebration of the day, the girls' hands had been painted with henna. They were ever so proud. But then came the moment of shock: "Suddenly this man, who was really a stranger to us, started to undress us," she recalls. "Then he got out his razor blade." All the girls underwent the procedure which mutilated them for life - without narcotics and without even minimal hygene standards.
'How can my family do this to me?'
Mohamed bled for three days. When it didn't stop, her father went to the local baker for some ashes to cover up the wound. But the dirt only made everything worse. "I still remember asking myself how my family could do this to me," Mohamed says, tears clouding her eyes. Another girl from her neighbourhood, she adds, even died after the procedure.
And that girl was hardly alone. As the number of deaths rose, Egypt banned female genital mutilation (FGM) by law in 2008. Medical practitioners and midwives, who traditionally perform the procedure in the countryside, now do so at the risk of imprisonment. Issuing an Islamic legal opinion, a so-called fatwa, Egypt's Grand Mufti has also clarified that female genital mutilation is against the Islamic value system.
Yet in doing so he has contradicted legal rulings endorsed by al-Azhar (quoted above) and the words of Muhammad himself. Muhammad is depicted in the Hadith as not condemning it, but merely cautioning against going overboard: "A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband." - Sunan Abu Dawud 41.5251
This raises the question of whether the Grand Mufti's condemnation was honest, or was for Western consumption.
But since the revolution, Umm Mohamed says she has seen a new increase in female genital mutilations. During the Mubarak regime people used to fear punishment, but these days the medical practitioners in her quarter don't even bother to hide their actions any more: "During the day, they circumcise little boys, and the girls they do at night for twice the money," Mohamed says angrily. "Everybody knows this."
Mustering her courage as a simple woman, Mohamed went to the police station to make a report. "But the officers told me that they had other things to worry about," says the mother of three, who was able to save her own daughter the painful mutilation.
Umm Mohamed openly addresses what for most Egyptian woman is a taboo: Most victims live in chronic pain and have problems with their sexuality, and they also face serious health problems both during pregnancy and giving birth.
Omayma Idris, a Cairo-based gynaecologist, says that more than 90 percent of all married Egyptians today are thought to have undergone mutilation. After the prohibition, she says, one could see a decline, "but since the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists are in power in Egypt, the numbers are on the rise again; they encourage families to do it again."
Not even the deeply religious Muslims in Saudi Arabia mutilate girls and women, she adds.
Islamists push for legalization
Salafists and representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood - the political home of Egypt's President Mohamed Mursi - want to see female genital mutilation legalized again. Their push for legalization alerted the German advocacy group for women's rights, Terre des Femmes, which collected 12,000 signatures against the practice in Egypt.
The group presented the signatures together with a petition to the Egyptian ambassador in Berlin at the beginning of November.
In several places around the country, Islamists have already created precedents, according to Mervat Tallawy, president of the National Women's Council for Egypt. A few weeks ago, she learned about the Muslim Brotherhood using buses as mobile clinics in the rural Minia province.
"The mutilation of girls had been offered as a sort of health service, free of charge," Tallawy says. And the buses, she adds, had stickers with the logo of the "Party for Freedom and Justice" - the political branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi (c) Spencer Platt/Getty Images Pressure groups ask President Mursi to explicitly condemn FGM
Following the incident, the National Women's Council contacted the local governor and the Ministry of Health in Cairo. But a spokesperson of the Muslim Brotherhood flatly denied all charges and, in turn, accused the villagers of misusing the logo.
Tallawy laughs bitterly laugh about that. Villagers, she says, lead very simple lives and many can barely read. She doesn't think they're capable of such forgery. But what she does believe to be more likely is that the Muslim Brotherhood is funding illegal mutilation procedures in the countryside.
"That's child abuse and a barbaric act," Tallawy says with disgust. "But as long as the Egyptian president doesn't explicitly condemn such actions, the fundamentalists are going to carry on and lead us back into the Middle Ages. I have no idea where their hatred for women comes from."
Really?

So the MB in Egypt wants to legalize female genital mutilation which was previously outlawed with Mubarak. This practice is just despicable, there is no medical justification for it and it should be outlawed.

Islamic apologists maintain this has nothing to do with Islam even though it does.

I remember when the arab spring started and I knew it wouldn't work since I saw that they were replacing dictators with religious dictators, nothing has changed and its even worse.

This practice must be banned and the parents and people performing this must be charged

This is just another case where the MB cant be trusted and are radical Islamists

Do you agree the practice should be banned along with charges for those involved and that the MB are not moderate but radicals?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/e...ng-to-legalize-female-genital-mutilation.html
 

Orignal Earl

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Female genital mutilation has nothing to do with Islam, and only greasy Islamophobes think otherwise.
 

Orignal Earl

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Waiting on the circumcision equivalence posse.

You should just post a link and quote then to stop those idiots before they get started.

I'm a little leery to point out this link to Incor.
I'm afraid if he is made aware of what goes on in his own backyard and other places in the world he would just totally lose it.
But educating people I suppose is the only way to stop the Islamaphobes and their ilk.

Very not safe for work.
Probably will make some posters crawl up in a ball
Don't click the links and cry about it after

http://www.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/

A few hits off the first page

Five Awful Thanksgivings in History
http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/11/15/five-awful-thanksgivings-in-history/

Bad Mormon Mother Giving This Adopted Boy Cold Hot Sauce Showers As P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkiqyQJ9eU8

Children Buried Alive in the Amazon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbjRU6_Zj0U
 
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So are you at least going to condemn this practice or will you just defer and by doing that you support it since you wont condemn?
 

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So are you at least going to condemn this practice or will you just defer and by doing that you support it since you wont condemn?

Has anyone considered that Incorruptible is a bot? This is only a slight variation on wording he used in another thread.
 

Orignal Earl

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Has anyone considered that Incorruptible is a bot? This is only a slight variation on wording he used in another thread.

I don't think he is a bot.
It's far more likely he is someone here with two accounts or more
It's easier to keep the two persona's separate by making one of them a little retarded
 
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Has anyone considered that Incorruptible is a bot? This is only a slight variation on wording he used in another thread.

He just doesn't have any thoughts of his own to put out. All he can do is post hate sites and say you must agree if you don't disagree.

He is quite literally a right wing talking point regurgitator. Noting else. No substantive points of his own and no ability to rationalize and reason anything he reads in an objective manner.
 

Orignal Earl

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in islam..it's a mans world.

How to be a Good True Christian™ Wife

1. Have dinner ready: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal — on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him, and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospects of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.

2. Prepare yourself: Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.

3. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up school books, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too.

4. Prepare the children: Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces if they are small, comb their hair, and if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.

5. Minimize the noise: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of washer, dryer, dishwasher or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad to see him.

6. Some Don'ts: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he's late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day.

7. Make him comfortable: Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.

8. Listen to him: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.

9. Make the evening his: Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment; instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax.

10. The goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can relax.

A good Wife KNOWS her place!

And remember, a good spanking or slap upside of the head maybe required to keep her in line.


Right from the Christian wife's mouth

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=161
 
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How to be a Good True Christian™ Wife

1. Have dinner ready: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal — on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him, and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospects of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.

2. Prepare yourself: Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.

3. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up school books, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too.

4. Prepare the children: Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces if they are small, comb their hair, and if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.

5. Minimize the noise: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of washer, dryer, dishwasher or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad to see him.

6. Some Don'ts: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he's late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day.

7. Make him comfortable: Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.

8. Listen to him: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.

9. Make the evening his: Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment; instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax.

10. The goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can relax.

A good Wife KNOWS her place!

And remember, a good spanking or slap upside of the head maybe required to keep her in line.


Right from the Christian wife's mouth

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=161

See you did it again, If you dont like Christians then go make your own thread about that.

And no I am not a bot, Listen people radical Islam is growing in Europe and the world and you have to be an idiot not to see this. The people dismissing this need their heads checked, how can you not see the threat?

Its happening and they will take over
 

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How to be a Good True Christian™ Wife

1. Have dinner ready: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal — on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him, and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospects of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.

2. Prepare yourself: Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.

3. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up school books, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too.

4. Prepare the children: Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces if they are small, comb their hair, and if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.

5. Minimize the noise: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of washer, dryer, dishwasher or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad to see him.

6. Some Don'ts: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he's late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day.

7. Make him comfortable: Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.

8. Listen to him: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.

9. Make the evening his: Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment; instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax.

10. The goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can relax.

A good Wife KNOWS her place!

And remember, a good spanking or slap upside of the head maybe required to keep her in line.


Right from the Christian wife's mouth

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=161

You do realize that landoverbaptist is fiction right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church
The Landover Baptist Church is a fictional[1] Baptist church based in the fictional town of Freehold, Iowa. The Landover Baptist web site and its associated Landoverbaptist.net Forum are a satire of fundamentalist Christianity and the Religious Right in the United States.
 

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The large number of JihadWatch links posted here at AnandTech probably makes it the largest supporter after JihadWatch sister sites
are`nt you one of those who said the Muslim Brotherhood was harmless and would be good for the Egyptian people......hmmmm

hahahaa....so if female genetal mutilation is not a Muslim thing?
Were in America or Europe is it accepted and practiced among those who are not Muslim.....
 
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... and you guys were doing such a good job just ignoring these retarded attention whoring OP's....
 

JEDIYoda

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lol I did not
I know a lot of Christian women who believe that and obviously its enough of a problem that someone made the site
you are just amazing...because a woman is a Christian and is married and Loves her husband and stays at home all day taking care of the kids and cooks and tries to allow her husband to rest she must have some sort of issues.....

You also seems to think that because a woman is Christians she will allow her husband to physically abuse her by smacking her upside the head....your not that big of an idiot to believe that......are you??
 

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are`nt you one of those who said the Muslim Brotherhood was harmless and would be good for the Egyptian people......hmmmm

hahahaa....so if female genetal mutilation is not a Muslim thing?
Were in America or Europe is it accepted and practiced among those who are not Muslim.....

I'm Canadian..the MB is the bottom of my list of concerns.
I never said any such things.


The fact that it is NOT practiced by Muslims in America or Europe proves my point
 
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are`nt you one of those who said the Muslim Brotherhood was harmless and would be good for the Egyptian people......hmmmm

hahahaa....so if female genetal mutilation is not a Muslim thing?
Were in America or Europe is it accepted and practiced among those who are not Muslim.....

Reading his posts he probably did

Its not practiced among other religions as well the US would have laws against this. Why cant he admit this is related to Islam? Who is he shilling for?
 

Orignal Earl

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you are just amazing...because a woman is a Christian and is married and Loves her husband and stays at home all day taking care of the kids and cooks and tries to allow her husband to rest she must have some sort of issues.....

You also seems to think that because a woman is Christians she will allow her husband to physically abuse her by smacking her upside the head....your not that big of an idiot to believe that......are you??

Oh, I've seen plenty of these situtaions

What I have never seen before, is a Jewish guy who claims to make a very good living singing in Catholic Churches, before.
( after you retired from the US Military Intellegence )
Like you claim you do
 

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you are just amazing...because a woman is a Christian and is married and Loves her husband and stays at home all day taking care of the kids and cooks and tries to allow her husband to rest she must have some sort of issues.....

You also seems to think that because a woman is Christians she will allow her husband to physically abuse her by smacking her upside the head....your not that big of an idiot to believe that......are you??

Liberals want women to be just like men. Why do you think they continually trot out that tired line about corporations paying men more than women for the same work (the same corporations that will outsource jobs and hire illegal immigrants to save 10 cents mind you)?

The idea of a woman actually loving her husband is crazy to them. Obviously all men are "annoying" and should be divorced at the earliest opportunity :rolleyes: