Mazdaspeed6 > Legacy GT Spec.b

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: Doboji
Aww you poor Subie fanbois.... whine all you want... the MS6 does without a doubt handle better than your more expensive spec.Bs....

-Max

P.S. but yeah the STI does pretty much own Mazda...

I don't own a spec B but I'm sure the <$1000 in mods I've done more than accounts for handling differences and most of that was for tires.

Yeah and that's the really big thing. The spec B has a huge premium on it. It is really hard to justify it over the regular Legacy GT.

Which is where the whole review doesn't make sense. To pit the limited edition spec.B against the MS6. They should have gone production model versus production model. Where the Legacy would have destroyed the MS6 on price with the same performance level. Otherwise, the whole test doesn't necessarily make the MS6 look good, but just says that the spec.B isn't worth the premium over the production LGT. Which is no shocker, the biggest reason to own a spec.B is get the spec.B badge. That and the spec.B interior and the Bilstein struts are really all you're paying that extra money for.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: Doboji
Aww you poor Subie fanbois.... whine all you want... the MS6 does without a doubt handle better than your more expensive spec.Bs....

-Max

P.S. but yeah the STI does pretty much own Mazda...

I don't own a spec B but I'm sure the <$1000 in mods I've done more than accounts for handling differences and most of that was for tires.

Yeah and that's the really big thing. The spec B has a huge premium on it. It is really hard to justify it over the regular Legacy GT.

Which is where the whole review doesn't make sense. To pit the limited edition spec.B against the MS6. They should have gone production model versus production model. Where the Legacy would have destroyed the MS6 on price with the same performance level. Otherwise, the whole test doesn't necessarily make the MS6 look good, but just says that the spec.B isn't worth the premium over the production LGT. Which is no shocker, the biggest reason to own a spec.B is get the spec.B badge. That and the spec.B interior and the Bilstein struts are really all you're paying that extra money for.

What crack pipe are you smoking here?

The regular GT is more expensive than the regular MS6...

-Max

 

[Pocatello]

A regular Legacy GT is a great car, the spec B is priced near BMW 3 series territory or the Lexus IS 250, and in very limited supply.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: thirdeye

Originally posted by: senseamp
Mazda just knows how to build great handling cars. Subaru now being under Toyota's wing, I don't see a Subaru handling better than a similar Mazda any time soon.

Put down the crack pipe and walk away slowly. We'll pretend this incident didn't happen.

No crackpipe needed. Just compare Impreza RS to a Mazda 3s, Legacy to Mazda6. The Mazda will handle better than a similar Subaru. Just the way it is. If you are thinking about WRX, Mazda doesn't have a similar model to that, just like Subaru doesn't have a model similar to MX-5, so that's not a counterexample.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Doboji
What crack pipe are you smoking here?

The regular GT is more expensive than the regular MS6...

-Max

Only if you do an apples-to-oranges comparison. The standard package on the LGT (which starts at $28,795) is comparable to the optional "Grand Touring" model of the MS6, which starts at $30,465. You can't compare the loaded base LGT against the stripped base MS6 (which starts at $28,555) solely by price like you're trying to do.

 

[NutBucket]

I might have to stop with the power loss stuff based on this:

thread

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Doboji
MSRP listed at KBB for the Legacy GT(non spec.B) is 29,420 to start while the MS6 is showing 28,555 to start. Looks to me like the MS6 is 1K cheaper than the GT, unless you're talking about the 175hp GT... which I have to assume you're not...

-Max

They don't make a 175HP GT anymore, that's just the 2.5i models.

LGT's are going for $25K off the lot left & right from what I read on numerous Subaru forums. I doubt Mazda is giving the same discount on their precious new Speed6

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Doboji
I don't doubt your GT is a sweet ride... but I'm pretty sure I've got you beat in the handling department... despite your mods.... but whats really the point of that comparison anyway. GT+mods vs MS6 stock.... hrmmm doesnt seem valid to me. Maybe in the context of your car vs my car, but the topic of this thread is MS6 vs Legacy GT spec.B

-Max

I agree that in the context of the thread it isn't applicable, but in context of price it is very applicable.

 

[Reckoner]

Subaru > Mazda

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Doboji
What crack pipe are you smoking here?

The regular GT is more expensive than the regular MS6...

-Max

Only if you do an apples-to-oranges comparison. The standard package on the LGT (which starts at $28,795) is comparable to the optional "Grand Touring" model of the MS6, which starts at $30,465. You can't compare the loaded base LGT against the stripped base MS6 (which starts at $28,555) solely by price like you're trying to do.

Think so? I think it's compareable...

The differences

Base MS6 vs Legacy GT base
no leather leather
premium radio non-premium radio
no moon roof moon roof
18inch wheels 17 inch wheels
non power seats power seats
traction control no traction control

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: thirdeye

Originally posted by: senseamp
Mazda just knows how to build great handling cars. Subaru now being under Toyota's wing, I don't see a Subaru handling better than a similar Mazda any time soon.

Put down the crack pipe and walk away slowly. We'll pretend this incident didn't happen.

No crackpipe needed. Just compare Impreza RS to a Mazda 3s, Legacy to Mazda6. The Mazda will handle better than a similar Subaru. Just the way it is. If you are thinking about WRX, Mazda doesn't have a similar model to that, just like Subaru doesn't have a model similar to MX-5, so that's not a counterexample.

I'll buy this when I start seeing any other Mazdas besides Miatas down at the track. In the meantime, the Impreza RS isn't sold anymore. It's been called the 2.5i for the past 2 model years, is the least expensive model that Subaru sells, and is built around Subaru's marketing concept of AWD all-weather handling. Which means that, to be fair in the type of handling consideration you are trying to establish, you should show the 2.5i handles in the snow against the 3s. Oops, the 3 just slid into the ditch!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Doboji
What crack pipe are you smoking here?

The regular GT is more expensive than the regular MS6...

-Max

Only if you do an apples-to-oranges comparison. The standard package on the LGT (which starts at $28,795) is comparable to the optional "Grand Touring" model of the MS6, which starts at $30,465. You can't compare the loaded base LGT against the stripped base MS6 (which starts at $28,555) solely by price like you're trying to do.

Think so? I think it's compareable...

The differences

Base MS6 vs Legacy GT base
no leather leather
premium radio non-premium radio
no moon roof moon roof
18inch wheels 17 inch wheels
non power seats power seats
traction control no traction control

The standard leather on the LGT alone makes them non-comparable. That's a thousand dollar option. Then the standard moon roof on the LGT, another thousand dollar option. And the LGT does comes standard with the premium radio. Then standard power seats on the LGT. And traction control? Who the hell needs traction control when you have symmetrical AWD?
Wow... you are working WAY hard at stretching here, eh? Who's being a fanboi?

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Vic

Wow... you are working WAY hard at stretching here, eh? Who's being a fanboi?

He's just trying to justify spending the money he did when we all told him he should have bought the damn Subaru.

Viper GTS

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Vic
And traction control? Who the hell needs traction control when you have symmetrical AWD?

:laugh:

No wonder I never found that "TRACTION OFF" button in my 97 LGT

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Doboji
What crack pipe are you smoking here?

The regular GT is more expensive than the regular MS6...

-Max

Only if you do an apples-to-oranges comparison. The standard package on the LGT (which starts at $28,795) is comparable to the optional "Grand Touring" model of the MS6, which starts at $30,465. You can't compare the loaded base LGT against the stripped base MS6 (which starts at $28,555) solely by price like you're trying to do.

Think so? I think it's compareable...

The differences

Base MS6 vs Legacy GT base
no leather leather
premium radio non-premium radio
no moon roof moon roof
18inch wheels 17 inch wheels
non power seats power seats
traction control no traction control

The standard leather on the LGT alone makes them non-comparable. That's a thousand dollar option. Then the standard moon roof on the LGT, another thousand dollar option. And the LGT does comes standard with the premium radio. Then standard power seats on the LGT. And traction control? Who the hell needs traction control when you have symmetrical AWD?
Wow... you are working WAY hard at stretching here, eh? Who's being a fanboi?

1) I already admitted to being a fanboi

2) I think the price points are leap-frogging each other... if we compared the stock Grand Touring MS6 to the stock GT, you get slightly more from the MS6 for slightly more money.

3) Regardless we're splitting hairs at this point...

4) I have no problem with the GT, fact is I was torn on whether to buy it or the MS6.... I feel like I made the right decision... I feel like I got more of what I wanted with the MS6 than I would have gotten from the GT.

-Max

 

[Vic]

edit: Meh. I'm just waiting (hoping and praying) for the Legacy STI. I'd be all over that. Either that or the promised MY08 Impreza redesign which is supposed to be based on a lighter smaller version of the current Legacy chasis. rool;

 

[m2kewl]

i'd take the scooby over the mazda anytime.

 

[SampSon]

I will always taken the proven record of subarus over the recent emergence of hallf decent Mazda vehicles.

I think it's hilarious that once someone buys a brand of car they become a diehard fanboy.

On a sidenote, edmunds reviews are terrible.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: thirdeye

Originally posted by: senseamp
Mazda just knows how to build great handling cars. Subaru now being under Toyota's wing, I don't see a Subaru handling better than a similar Mazda any time soon.

Put down the crack pipe and walk away slowly. We'll pretend this incident didn't happen.

No crackpipe needed. Just compare Impreza RS to a Mazda 3s, Legacy to Mazda6. The Mazda will handle better than a similar Subaru. Just the way it is. If you are thinking about WRX, Mazda doesn't have a similar model to that, just like Subaru doesn't have a model similar to MX-5, so that's not a counterexample.

I'll buy this when I start seeing any other Mazdas besides Miatas down at the track. In the meantime, the Impreza RS isn't sold anymore. It's been called the 2.5i for the past 2 model years, is the least expensive model that Subaru sells, and is built around Subaru's marketing concept of AWD all-weather handling. Which means that, to be fair in the type of handling consideration you are trying to establish, you should show the 2.5i handles in the snow against the 3s. Oops, the 3 just slid into the ditch!

Absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. By that logic pretty much every RWD sports car has bad handling because it's not good in the snow. And yes, 2.5i is the closest in price to a Mazda3 (though more expensive), and has similar engine size.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: thirdeye

Originally posted by: senseamp
Mazda just knows how to build great handling cars. Subaru now being under Toyota's wing, I don't see a Subaru handling better than a similar Mazda any time soon.

Put down the crack pipe and walk away slowly. We'll pretend this incident didn't happen.

No crackpipe needed. Just compare Impreza RS to a Mazda 3s, Legacy to Mazda6. The Mazda will handle better than a similar Subaru. Just the way it is. If you are thinking about WRX, Mazda doesn't have a similar model to that, just like Subaru doesn't have a model similar to MX-5, so that's not a counterexample.

I'll buy this when I start seeing any other Mazdas besides Miatas down at the track. In the meantime, the Impreza RS isn't sold anymore. It's been called the 2.5i for the past 2 model years, is the least expensive model that Subaru sells, and is built around Subaru's marketing concept of AWD all-weather handling. Which means that, to be fair in the type of handling consideration you are trying to establish, you should show the 2.5i handles in the snow against the 3s. Oops, the 3 just slid into the ditch!

Absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. By that logic pretty much every RWD sports car has bad handling because it's not good in the snow. And yes, 2.5i is the closest in price to a Mazda3 (though more expensive), and has similar engine size.

You missed the point entirely. You were comparing apples and oranges. Just because 2 cars are at the same price point does not mean they are built to and sold to the same demographic.
And you say you can't compare the WRX, because it's not at the same price point (and thus, by your logic, somehow not a "similar vehicle"), while you ignore the fact that the 2.5i and the WRX and the WRX STI are all built on the exact same chassis.

 

[sygyzy]

Link broken for anyone else?

 

[Bullhonkie]

In somewhat related news, we have a local USTCC racing team fielding Subarus. New this year is their Legacy GT race car which took 2nd place in the first race at Laguna Seca earlier this month.

Pics
Story
Results

Thought it might be of interest to you Subie geeks (NutBucket, Vic, et al.)

 

[NutBucket]

Oh yeah. I think one of the guys posted about this on LGT.com as well. Car looks great race prepped.

 

[mooncancook]

What's wrong with comparing a Spec B with a MS6? Both are high performance awd near luxury sedans with limited production. I think it makes more sense than to compare the MS6 to a regular GT, though a regular GT is not far off either. And to rate these two cars based on performance alone doesn't make sense either coz if you want performance alone the STi is the ticket.

btw I'm a fan of both company as I own a 6s and a STi and love both cars. Anyway for the MS6 Mazda should go with a FMI since they don't want scoop and 225 tires.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie
In somewhat related news, we have a local USTCC racing team fielding Subarus. New this year is their Legacy GT race car which took 2nd place in the first race at Laguna Seca earlier this month.

Pics
Story
Results

Thought it might be of interest to you Subie geeks (NutBucket, Vic, et al.)

Thanks for those links! The LGT looks nice, but a little too NASCAR for my tastes; do love the blue paint tho

And what's that in front of the Impreza in the second link? A Cobalt?? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: J/K

2nd & 5th place, nice!