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chucky2 said:
What can I say Fail, I thought you'd come up with at least something good, but, you completely failed - and that is really saying something when it comes to you. You know I love reading your posts for entertainment, what value will you have when you can't even provide that?
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Anti-Bummer trump trash do love to get mouthy.
 
Oki oki oki

Watch this... (goto 3:10 for the juicy bits)
...and tell me you dont want one of those in your future.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
And every dollar spent on prolonging the reliance on fossil fuels is ultimately wasted. If the industry got serious about alternative fuel vehicles in the 70s after the oil crisis we would have had good electrics or a hydrogen infrastructure ages ago. But as soon as gas got cheap again we abandoned that and went running right back to oil as the path of least resistance. And now it's happening again. When gas was near $5 a gallon people were a lot more serious about getting away from fossil fuels. Now that it's half that there's more interest in prolonging the life of gasoline vehicles.
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Genx87 said:
It is almost like the market responds to cheap product. Amazing stuff.
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Cheap can end up being very expensive.



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How's that cheap trillion dollar war in Iraq going while American infrastructure is crumbling?

While we help build up other countries infrastructure through our rampant consumerism, by buying cheap shiny throwaway things we don't need with money we don't have.

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cytg111 said:
The complexity of the combustion engine, the fragility of the combustion engine. Put ontop the envorimental footprint including huge oil spills in nature, global warming and lung cancer.... That thing has got to go, we have viable alternatives now, only reason not to go that route NOW is lobbying from the established infrastructure that wishes to retain its power via stalling progress.
Say no to fossil fuels. 🙂
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What about insufficient lithium mining to support the current EV adoption growth rate? It is unlikely that global mining will be able to scale up enough within the next 15 years to support even 20% of US vehicle sales being EVs. That's an entire generation of ICE if not two or three, and still 80%+ of the market so it makes perfect sense to keep evolving ICE tech until we achieve a monumental shift in battery tech.
 
Paratus said:
I already get 100% renewable power in Texas.

Did you pick your provider this year?
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Yeah, I've been 100% wind since moving to OKC in 2013. It is cheaper for me than Natural Gas power. The program is so successful the city actually has to cap how many people can enroll until more capacity comes online. And half this city works for Oil and Gas.
 
mindless1 said:
What about insufficient lithium mining to support the current EV adoption growth rate? It is unlikely that global mining will be able to scale up enough within the next 15 years to support even 20% of US vehicle sales being EVs. That's an entire generation of ICE if not two or three, and still 80%+ of the market so it makes perfect sense to keep evolving ICE tech until we achieve a monumental shift in battery tech.
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There's currently 14,000,000 tonnes of lithium reserves identified. With another 230 billion tonnes dissolved in sea water.

The lithium is there, depending on the price of extraction.
 
Paratus said:
There's currently 14,000,000 tonnes of lithium reserves identified. With another 230 billion tonnes dissolved in sea water.

The lithium is there, depending on the price of extraction.
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Yes there, not in ready to use car batteries. I think it would be reasonable to assume that lithium mining is currently going after the low hanging fruit, most cost effective methods so far and yet the price has skyrocketed in the last couple years. My 20% figure could be conservative too, some analysts figure lithium production will cap EVs at closer to 5% vehicle sales for the next decade.
 
mindless1 said:
Yes there, not in ready to use car batteries. I think it would be reasonable to assume that lithium mining is currently going after the low hanging fruit, most cost effective methods so far and yet the price has skyrocketed in the last couple years. My 20% figure could be conservative too, some analysts figure lithium production will cap EVs at closer to 5% vehicle sales for the next decade.
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Lithium isn't foreseen to be significant material bottleneck long term. Yes lithium prices have risen but battery cost has also fallen at the same time and it's not like the whole half ton battery in a Tesla or similar vehicle is actually made of lithium. Meanwhile overall battery production continues to grow. Availability of other elements needed for batteries like cobalt will be an issue long before lithium is a limiting factor in production.
 
K1052 said:
Lithium isn't foreseen to be significant material bottleneck long term.
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Depends on what you call long. Right now it is a bottleneck to "everyone" buying an EV, which is what initiated my 1st post on the topic, even a bottleneck to reach 3% US car sales. We cannot assume a massive investment in lithium mining until it happens. These things take time and right now, it is a very significant bottleneck to short, and medium term.

Long term, we may not even use lithium, but it is foreseen to be a long term bottleneck because there is not enough to extract cost effectively using existing tech. It would be fairer to say that you hope it's not a bottleneck but all signs point to it being one. The current sales of EVs are nothing, yet we won't even be mining enough lithium for replacement batteries for those in 15 years, let alone new vehicles.

I'm sure some will be recycled, but it's more likely if batteries remain expensive and then it hurts EV sales so we don't need as much lithium.
 
mindless1 said:
Depends on what you call long. Right now it is a bottleneck to "everyone" buying an EV, which is what initiated my 1st post on the topic, even a bottleneck to reach 3% US car sales. We cannot assume a massive investment in lithium mining until it happens. These things take time and right now, it is a very significant bottleneck to short, and medium term.

Long term, we may not even use lithium, but it is foreseen to be a long term bottleneck because there is not enough to extract cost effectively using existing tech. It would be fairer to say that you hope it's not a bottleneck but all signs point to it being one. The current sales of EVs are nothing, yet we won't even be mining enough lithium for replacement batteries for those in 15 years, let alone new vehicles.

I'm sure some will be recycled, but it's more likely if batteries remain expensive and then it hurts EV sales so we don't need as much lithium.
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Don't think we'll run out of sodium anytime soon.
https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology
Another advantage is that the battery cells can be made from earth-friendly materials.

“The glass electrolytes allow for the substitution of low-cost sodium for lithium. Sodium is extracted from seawater that is widely available,” Braga said.
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mindless1 said:
Depends on what you call long. Right now it is a bottleneck to "everyone" buying an EV, which is what initiated my 1st post on the topic, even a bottleneck to reach 3% US car sales. We cannot assume a massive investment in lithium mining until it happens. These things take time and right now, it is a very significant bottleneck to short, and medium term.

Long term, we may not even use lithium, but it is foreseen to be a long term bottleneck because there is not enough to extract cost effectively using existing tech. It would be fairer to say that you hope it's not a bottleneck but all signs point to it being one. The current sales of EVs are nothing, yet we won't even be mining enough lithium for replacement batteries for those in 15 years, let alone new vehicles.

I'm sure some will be recycled, but it's more likely if batteries remain expensive and then it hurts EV sales so we don't need as much lithium.
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EVs aren't going to go from a few hundred thousand units to tens of millions overnight. What the ramp is going to look like is up for debate but we're talking 5-10 years at least.

More lithium supply will come online, albeit at the higher prices we've seen lately assuming demand from both EVs and now stationary storage continues. The additional cost of that component isn't going to be sufficient to really suppress progress on battery cost which has continued to fall even as lithium pricing rises.
 
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