Like many people, I have health insurance I like which both meets my needs and doesn't cost me too much. There's no 'fire' for me. Yes, I recognize that health care spending is growing too fast to be sustainable long-term, but then so is the federal deficit, so "solving" the former problem by exacerbating the latter problem is still a bad "solution" which will quickly collapse.
Like many people, I have health insurance I like which both meets my needs and doesn't cost me too much. There's no 'fire' for me. Yes, I recognize that health care spending is growing too fast to be sustainable long-term, but then so is the federal deficit, so "solving" the former problem by exacerbating the latter problem is still a bad "solution" which will quickly collapse.
Yet another appeal to emotion - no surprise. All the evidence (such as the CBO director's Congressional testimony) suggests the current proposals will only bankrupt the nation faster, and your only response is to scream "People are suffering! People are suffering!" People are going to be suffering a heck of a lot more once the feds start defaulting.
Excellent posts all-around, Mursilis. You are really on a roll in this thread.
Does our current health care system need work? Sure.
Do the current proposals being forced down our throats by Obama and the Democrats "fix" our health care system? No, not at all, in fact, the data is almost unanimously showing that if UHC is passed as it is current being pushed, then things would be much worse overall.
Nobody is being denied health care in this country. If you're in a car accident and break your arm, and you have no job and no insurance, you can walk into any hospital and they are required by law to treat you. People are not being tossed out on the streets by hospitals.
There is no "health care crisis"...there are big problems with our current health care system, but if you want a true crisis, a bankrupt government is a real crisis. A real catastrophe is an economy that will absolutely collapse under massive government deficits.
Must be nice to live in a world where you can't be laid off and where you boss is always going to have funds to pay for your level of benefits. How dare you plan to sponge off your rich boss forever?
IndyColtsFan
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Ah yes, the class warfare angle rears its ugly head. I'm sorry, do you have a point? Where did he imply he won't be laid off ever? He is correct in his assessment, which is what you should be reading instead of the personal attack. Please allow me to quote it for you:
Yes, I recognize that health care spending is growing too fast to be sustainable long-term, but then so is the federal deficit, so "solving" the former problem by exacerbating the latter problem is still a bad "solution" which will quickly collapse.
He is correct.
IndyColtsFan
Lifer
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Shhhhh, logic has no place in this thread. Just overly emotional, tear-jerking appeals, consequences be damned!
The HMO act was passed in 1973. Nixon was President. I really don't think its the same people....
The "independent Fed of healthcare" is probably the best idea I've heard out there, I've repeated it a couple of times. Politicians are only going to fuck it up worse.
GuitarDaddy
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Good one:laugh:
You guys refuse to even make an attempt to address health care for decades, then when its about to be force upon you, you say hold on wait a minute lets study this on a limited scale for many years then shit can it.
Any economist worth his salt knows you can't judge the effectiveness of something of this scale with a limited test trial, just a weak stall tactic
Maybe we should have tested the Iraq war on a limited scale:laugh: we should have invaded and occupied Nevada for a couple of years in preparation.
WhipperSnapper
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Our current system isn't exactly doing businesses and the economy any favors. If anything, as our current system stands now, it's a huge load on the nation's economy.
The bills that democrats have out there make it even worse. The democrats need to go back to square one and focus on cost reduction. Once costs are down most of the other things will fall in to place.
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