Maybe we should have a general Meatball Ron (desantis) thread

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fskimospy

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That cannot be answered without more detailed factual data.

They should all be charged. Why can't you understand that?
1) It’s not relevant as to if you think everyone would be charged. What IS relevant is these cases are almost never charged for regular people.

2) You had no problem saying he got a sweet plea deal despite lacking that more detailed factual data.

Now if you would simply like to retract your original argument that he got a sweet deal and say you don’t know if he did or not that would at least be logically consistent.
 

pcgeek11

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1) It’s not relevant as to if you think everyone would be charged. What IS relevant is these cases are almost never charged for regular people.

2) You had no problem saying he got a sweet plea deal despite lacking that more detailed factual data.

Now if you would simply like to retract your original argument that he got a sweet deal and say you don’t know if he did or not that would at least be logically consistent.

No he didn't get the sweet deal as it fell apart in court.


Hunter Biden was expected to plead guilty to two federal misdemeanor counts of failing to pay his taxes after reaching a plea agreement with Weiss. But the deal collapsed last month over confusion about a separate felony gun possession charge, and Biden instead pleaded not guilty.

At a court hearing last month, Judge Maryellen Noreika said that she wouldn't accept or reject the plea agreement until both sides had addressed her concerns over its terms.
 

brycejones

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No he didn't get the sweet deal as it fell apart in court.


Hunter Biden was expected to plead guilty to two federal misdemeanor counts of failing to pay his taxes after reaching a plea agreement with Weiss. But the deal collapsed last month over confusion about a separate felony gun possession charge, and Biden instead pleaded not guilty.

At a court hearing last month, Judge Maryellen Noreika said that she wouldn't accept or reject the plea agreement until both sides had addressed her concerns over its terms.
And what were her specific concerns? Did she ever say the deal was off because she felt it was too lenient to Hunter?
 

Dave_5k

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Other people do get charged with the crime of false statements on a firearm application.

He is getting the proper treatment for breaking the law. The ones that were not charged should have also been charged.
Very roughly, 0.03% of tax cheats were convicted for tax crimes (as of 2017, before the IRS budget was even further cut by Republicans)

Also, the gun possession charge is quite likely based on an unconstitutional law (at least for anyone else that brought the case up to the current Supreme Court), as the founding fathers did not consider prior drug use as a reason to restrict the pre-eminent constitutional right to own guns. Which is part of reason the prosecutor will likely continue to seek a plea deal.

And except when said gun is used in an active crime, this charge of illegal gun possession or lying about being a drug user is almost never brought. Even though about one in 8 Americans when surveyed admit to the use of illegal drugs, which works out to roughly 10 million gun owners that would be in violation of the same crime that Hunter was charged with. Of which I read a couple thousand may be prosecuted. Call it another 0.02% type odds of being prosecuted, roughly.

Hunter should play the lottery...
 

fskimospy

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No he didn't get the sweet deal as it fell apart in court.


Hunter Biden was expected to plead guilty to two federal misdemeanor counts of failing to pay his taxes after reaching a plea agreement with Weiss. But the deal collapsed last month over confusion about a separate felony gun possession charge, and Biden instead pleaded not guilty.

At a court hearing last month, Judge Maryellen Noreika said that she wouldn't accept or reject the plea agreement until both sides had addressed her concerns over its terms.
It does not say she is concerned about the leniency of the agreement and obviously Hunter does not view it that way.

None of this changes the fact that if it were you or me we almost certainly wouldn’t have been charged at all. I keep waiting for you to address this glaring problem in any way.
 

pcgeek11

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It does not say she is concerned about the leniency of the agreement and obviously Hunter does not view it that way.

None of this changes the fact that if it were you or me we almost certainly wouldn’t have been charged at all. I keep waiting for you to address this glaring problem in any way.

I have given my opinion that the law needs to be upheld or taken off the books. Why have the law if it isn't going to be enforced.

I also don't think drug addicts should be allowed to possess a weapon. Do you?
 

fskimospy

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Very roughly, 0.03% of tax cheats were convicted for tax crimes (as of 2017, before the IRS budget was even further cut by Republicans)

Also, the gun possession charge is quite likely based on an unconstitutional law (at least for anyone else that brought the case up to the current Supreme Court), as the founding fathers did not consider prior drug use as a reason to restrict the pre-eminent constitutional right to own guns. Which is part of reason the prosecutor will likely continue to seek a plea deal.

And except when said gun is used in an active crime, this charge of illegal gun possession or lying about being a drug user is almost never brought. Even though about one in 8 Americans when surveyed admit to the use of illegal drugs, which works out to roughly 10 million gun owners that would be in violation of the same crime that Hunter was charged with. Of which I read a couple thousand may be prosecuted. Call it another 0.02% type odds of being prosecuted, roughly.

Hunter should play the lottery...
What’s also interesting is that earlier in this thread he claimed Trump is being persecuted despite the crimes he is charged with being VERY commonly charged for regular people.
 

fskimospy

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I have given my opinion that the law needs to be upheld or taken off the books. Why have the law if it isn't going to be enforced.

I also don't think drug addicts should be allowed to possess a weapon. Do you?
I’m glad that we agree that Hunter Biden should not be treated more harshly than the average citizen. You seemed to think Trump was being persecuted earlier in this thread, do you now think Hunter is being persecuted?

If you would like to repeal or modify these laws that’s fine but not really relevant to the conversation here, which is the equal application of laws.
 
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Persecuted....prosecuted it's close enough. Same thing really.
 

pcgeek11

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The Steel Dosier was pure political persecution.

If he is charged and convicted of a crime then he should be punished as the law permits. So far there has been no convictions.
 
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fskimospy

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The Steel Dosier was pure political persecution.

If he is charged and convicted of a crime then he should be punished as the law permits. So far there has been no convictions.
If prosecutors believe they can prove a crime against Trump should they bring charges even if they would almost never bring similar charges against an average citizen?
 

fskimospy

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I’m glad that we agree that Hunter Biden should not be treated more harshly than the average citizen. You seemed to think Trump was being persecuted earlier in this thread, do you now think Hunter is being persecuted?

If you would like to repeal or modify these laws that’s fine but not really relevant to the conversation here, which is the equal application of laws.
It’s pretty simple logic that you’re trying really, really hard not to address.
 
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The Steel Dosier was pure political persecution.

If he is charged and convicted of a crime then he should be punished as the law permits. So far there has been no convictions.
When exactly was he charged with any crimes based on the Steel Dosier?
 
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What’s also interesting is that earlier in this thread he claimed Trump is being persecuted despite the crimes he is charged with being VERY commonly charged for regular people.
Anyone caught red-handed repeatedly trying to obstruct the return of top secret US defense information is basically as close as one can get to a guaranteed 100% chance of prosecution (although similar cases often ultimately result in a plea deal, to avoid disclosing the information in open court).
 

fskimospy

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Anyone caught red-handed repeatedly trying to obstruct the return of top secret US defense information is basically as close as one can get to a guaranteed 100% chance of prosecution (although similar cases often ultimately result in a plea deal, to avoid disclosing the information in open court).
Yes, if you or I has a bunch of highly classified documents that we’re keeping in your bathroom and refuse to return them even under subpoena we would be having this conversation through a prison phone.

Their real complaint is the law is being applied to conservatives at all.
 

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if I cover the post bit on the left and read only the replies is it bad or good I can tell who's what based on how flippant the reply is?
 

brycejones

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The Steel Dosier was pure political persecution.

If he is charged and convicted of a crime then he should be punished as the law permits. So far there has been no convictions.
This is some pretty lame tap dancing. Did you forget the thread was about Ron Desantis?
 

akugami

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Well. Since Ronny said to move on, let's move on. I mean, it's not like we have a blood feud. All Ronny did was kill Disney's dog, and steal his car.

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Pens1566

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Lol, this is like blood in the water to disney/lawyers. Ron is fucked. He knows it. And they know he knows it.
 

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Tell you what Ron, if you and your pet government stop installing fascist right wing garbage in schools, I'll talk to Disney for you and see what I can do to get them "off your back". Get f-ed. It takes a real whacko to get me rooting for Disney, at best I'm usually hot and cold on their antics.
 
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