Maybe we should have a general Meatball Ron (desantis) thread

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Motostu

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So wait; is the left the true party of law and order?

Dude's not being persecuted. He's being prosecuted based on overwhelming evidence that he's committed some serious crimes.

This isn’t a left/right thing, and implying that it is is downright disingenuous.
 

fskimospy

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I'd rather drink a beer with Desantis than I would with any other politician that I can think of off the top of my head...

I wouldn't pay 50 bucks for it though...

Unfortunately I think Trump is going to be pushed into being the GOP Nominee by the left wings continuing persecution which keeps his loyals stirred up.
To be clear by ‘persecution’ you you mean ‘applying the law as it is applied to others’, right? If you or I had done the exact same thing as Trump we would be in jail right now. If anything he’s gotten exceptionally lenient treatment.

I do like how the old refrain was ‘if Trump is a criminal then why don’t you charge him?’, which immediately changed to ‘Trump is being persecuted!’ when he’s charged with dozens of felonies that he is very obviously guilty of.
 
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fskimospy

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So wait; is the left the true party of law and order?

Dude's not being persecuted. He's being prosecuted based on overwhelming evidence that he's committed some serious crimes.

This isn’t a left/right thing, and implying that it is is downright disingenuous.
This is the new refrain from the anti-anti-Trump wing of the right, which I think @pcgeek11 is part of. They don't like Trump but they do like Republican politics and they don't like liberals. It's hard for them to square Republicans = good with 'Republicans keep voting for Trump, who is bad' so they have convinced themselves that it's not Republicans' fault for voting for Trump, it's liberals' fault for tricking Republicans into voting for him.

This is the line that's used pretty much any time Republicans know they are doing something wrong - they claim they don't want to but the mean liberals made them. For some reason they think it's better to act as if conservatives are like children who have no agency than to admit they use that agency poorly sometimes.
 

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I'd rather drink a beer with Desantis than I would with any other politician that I can think of off the top of my head...

I wouldn't pay 50 bucks for it though...

Unfortunately I think Trump is going to be pushed into being the GOP Nominee by the left wings continuing persecution which keeps his loyals stirred up.

oh no! the lifelong criminal and multiple-times-admitted traitor to the United States is getting persecuted! Oh nooooo!

the left is so mean!
 
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To be clear by ‘persecution’ you you mean ‘applying the law as it is applied to others’, right? If you or I had done the exact same thing as Trump we would be hung by now. If anything he’s gotten exceptionally lenient treatment.

I do like how the old refrain was ‘if Trump is a criminal then why don’t you charge him?’, which immediately changed to ‘Trump is being persecuted!’ when he’s charged with dozens of felonies that he is very obviously guilty of.

cleaned that up a bit.
 

fskimospy

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oh no! the lifelong criminal and multiple-times-admitted traitor to the United States is getting persecuted! Oh nooooo!

the left is so mean!
It's a weird thing that as far as I can tell the Republican position is that we should not prosecute people who steal highly classified documents and try to overthrow the government.

Both those things sound bad to me - we should probably punish them.
 

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It's love for Authoritarianism. I see the same thing with my Chinese friends (funny how they prefer living here though) and you hear about Russians saying the same thing. They love belligerent, macho god-like figures whom nobody shall question and who are above the laws of common folk. Big Daddy. No small wonder that most religious people love Trump. Never mind that this Big Daddy worship on paper is about as opposite from American ideals as you can get.
 

Lanyap

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He’s just not a likable or relatable guy. These dudes do fine in State Politics and poorly in Presidential runs.
I recently read he had a “have a beer with DeSantis” in New Hampshire. I think he had fewer than a dozen people show up. He’s just not the guy you want to sit around with, we all know he doesn’t want to sit next to us.
@pcgeek11 is this an accurate summary?



Ron “That's a lot of sugar, huh?” DeSantis

I actually feel bad for his kids. With a mom and dad like that they are going to turn out F-ed up.
 

fskimospy

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It's love for Authoritarianism. I see the same thing with my Chinese friends (funny how they prefer living here though) and you hear about Russians saying the same thing. They love belligerent, macho god-like figures whom nobody shall question and who are above the laws of common folk. Big Daddy. No small wonder that most religious people love Trump. Never mind that this Big Daddy worship on paper is about as opposite from American ideals as you can get.
It's been interesting to watch the intellectual journey of evangelicals when it comes to this guy, who is without a doubt the most gravely immoral person to ever hold that office. They used to claim they knew he was immoral but he was a 'baby Christian' and was slowly coming around. Seems like they gave up on that lie though and now just treat Trump as some sort of messianic figure.
 

Lanyap

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What does it say about your party that the more crimes someone commits, the more popular they become? Can't wait until the Trump publishes Mein Kumpf 2 from his prison cell.

Also I love how it's the "left wings persecution" not the fact he has committed many, obvious crimes. And also the blaming liberals for making your party vote for him.




Nailed it.
 

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To be clear by ‘persecution’ you you mean ‘applying the law as it is applied to others’, right? If you or I had done the exact same thing as Trump we would be in jail right now. If anything he’s gotten exceptionally lenient treatment.

I do like how the old refrain was ‘if Trump is a criminal then why don’t you charge him?’, which immediately changed to ‘Trump is being persecuted!’ when he’s charged with dozens of felonies that he is very obviously guilty of.

It's not obvious to me that he's necessarily guilty in every case (e.g. the Georgia vote-hunting phone call, perhaps most of all, looks very bad to me, but IANAL and don't know how these things work).

It's obvious that there's a case to answer, though, and it needs to be decided according to the established processes by the legal system. And, God, it's taking a long time. I can't tell how far the slowness of the process is simply a consequence of his having lots of financial resources, and how much it's due to authorities taking the political context into account and being scared to get on with it.
 

fskimospy

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It's not obvious to me that he's necessarily guilty in every case (e.g. the Georgia vote-hunting phone call, perhaps most of all, looks very bad to me, but IANAL and don't know how these things work).

It's obvious that there's a case to answer, though, and it needs to be decided according to the established processes by the legal system. And, God, it's taking a long time. I can't tell how far the slowness of the process is simply a consequence of his having lots of financial resources, and how much it's due to authorities taking the political context into account and being scared to get on with it.
How is he not obviously guilty in the documents cases?

As far as 1/6 goes if he’s not guilty then attempting a coup in the US is now legal.
 

Jaskalas

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It's been interesting to watch the intellectual journey of evangelicals when it comes to this guy, who is without a doubt the most gravely immoral person to ever hold that office. They used to claim they knew he was immoral but he was a 'baby Christian' and was slowly coming around. Seems like they gave up on that lie though and now just treat Trump as some sort of messianic figure.
Humans and reality were never married.

Reality can be a fun mistress at times, but our true nature is tribal, religious, nuttery. In other words, pure fucking insanity. We make up whatever balms our Egos. They want power, Trump is a means to an end... so Trump is the next coming of Jesus. There is a process the brain will go through to gradually, but increasingly, justify that last statement. Because they ID with Trump.... the Ego will demand deification. Worship. Makes the man out to be an extension of themselves. My own local MAGA take anything negative on Trump as a personal attack on them. His values are their values. He tells you to jump off a cliff, you ask how high?

You can see this behavior in humans throughout the world today, and throughout history. There will always be bootlickers, even for Genocide. The trick is to make it your boots, but in our hubris we forgot just how god damn stupid people actually are. We deified ourselves and our nation as if we were better than everyone else. Great and glorious America could never stoop to the evils of... mankind. As if we were somehow not human. Or that our people would always trust in, support, and maintain our... laws and institutions.

Heh, hindsight makes America's self worship really fucking sad, doesn't it? Opened ourselves up for attack from within. Instead of working to safeguard the minds of our people.

If we were a great nation, Republicans would have thrown Trump out on his ass in 2016. They did not. Afterwards they turned and became a Cult for him and him alone. Not an American political party built on certain ideas and policies. Oh no, a Cult. Built for one man and one man alone. For the Dark Lord does not share power.

We now move to make ourselves like the Russians and North Koreans. If there is strong enough division, perhaps we could fracture and become Afghanistan. With the Taliban and all.
 

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We've heard about the new Florida State Guard fiasco where retired military people quit because it was too militaristic and the leadership quit . Now it comes out that the new $10 million headquarters for this group has a tactical shooting house. I can't find any other state guard that has a tactical shooting house. I can understand a shooting range but why do they need a tactical shooting house? I guess Ron is building up his own personal militia in case he loses in 2024.


BUNNELL — Gov. Ron DeSantis’ new Florida State Guard is expected to spend $10 million to build its new headquarters in a sprawling plot of land in Northeast Florida, complete with administrative offices, a firearms range and a tactical shooting house.



Oh wait, I guess this answers it or maybe not.

...but the governor and State Guard officials have said members will respond to natural disasters and help law enforcement respond to “riots and illegal immigration.”

As of July 1, the State Guard has a specialized law enforcement unit with police powers and the authority to bear arms. State officials, however, have not said how they plan to use the specialized unit.


I'll be waiting to see if the state actually uses this new state guard for assistance / rescue operations.

Florida lawmakers approved a nearly $100 million budget for the State Guard earlier this year. That included $10 million for its new headquarters.
 

fskimospy

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We've heard about the new Florida State Guard fiasco where retired military people quit because it was too militaristic and the leadership quit . Now it comes out that the new $10 million headquarters for this group has a tactical shooting house. I can't find any other state guard that has a tactical shooting house. I can understand a shooting range but why do they need a tactical shooting house? I guess Ron is building up his own personal militia in case he loses in 2024.






Oh wait, I guess this answers it or maybe not.






I'll be waiting to see if the state actually uses this new state guard for assistance / rescue operations.
While DeSantis might do weird and bad things with the Florida State Guard I think people are treating this as some unprecedented thing and it’s not. About half the states have state guards of some sort.
 

Lanyap

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While DeSantis might do weird and bad things with the Florida State Guard I think people are treating this as some unprecedented thing and it’s not. About half the states have state guards of some sort.



Do they have a tactical shooting house and members with police authority?
 

Lanyap

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Another elected democrat prosecuter suspended by DeSantis. We saw this one coming. The judge replacing her for now is a conservatice and member of the Federalist Society.


 

fskimospy

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Do they have a tactical shooting house and members with police authority?
I'm not really up on the regulations and capabilities of each state guard but I don't find either of those things particularly bad. It's not like the governor doesn't already have state police under his direct authority, after all. California's even has its own naval component!

DeSantis is a gigantic piece of shit and has done countless awful things while he's governor - I don't find the whole state guard thing to be that big a deal though.
 

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Another elected democrat prosecuter suspended by DeSantis. We saw this one coming. The judge replacing her for now is a conservatice and member of the Federalist Society.



Like it or not, I believe the FL state constitution gives him that right to do so. Elections have consequences.

Also not sure if it's true or not, but sounds like pretty serious allegations against the former DA of avoiding minimum sentences, really just skirting the law altogether. Of course it has to be a Federalist society member that replaces her which makes the whole thing suspicious.
 

brycejones

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Like it or not, I believe the FL state constitution gives him that right to do so. Elections have consequences.

Also not sure if it's true or not, but sounds like pretty serious allegations against the former DA of avoiding minimum sentences, really just skirting the law altogether. Of course it has to be a Federalist society member that replaces her which makes the whole thing suspicious.
DeSantis loses all of his "Law and Order" cred when he has already pledged to pardon Trump if elected. The facts don't really matter he is just trying to throw some red meat at his based and act tough.
 

BlueWeasel

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I'd gladly pay $50 for a beer to dump on his head. Given his campaign is in the dumps and is hemorrhaging cash, DeSantis might take me up on that.

His fragile ego can't comprehend why the rest of the county despises him. DeSantis truly thought the GOP outside of Florida would just line up to kiss the ring. Watching his downfall on the national scale has been glorious.