Maybe Saddam has his WMD HERE.... Extensive Baghdad tunnels explored.

[Alistar7]

Hussein al-Shahristani, a scientist who was imprisoned by Saddam and fled during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), told CBS' "60 Minutes" in February that plans originally called for a subway beneath Baghdad.


Hussein "got all the drawings; he told his military, `Go ahead and do them but not for a metro, for our weapons of mass destruction. We can hide them, move them around,'" al-Shahristani said. "We believe now it is more than 100 kilometers (60 miles) of very complex network, multilayer tunnels."

 

[apoppin]

It's ALL speculation. And they would be WELL-hidden.

But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."

Unfortunately, I think we will find them the "hard way".

 

[Alistar7]

How is it speculation? Did you read the article, it describes how American forces are EXPLORING them.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
How is it speculation? Did you read the article, it describes how American forces are EXPLORING them.

Did you?

I quoted from it.

 

[Alistar7]

"For U.S. troops strapping on night goggles and venturing underground, the tunnels are a new kind of battlefield in this war. No maps, no light and no handle ? yet ? on what they might find.

On Tuesday, at the airport outside Baghdad, 150 soldiers of the 101st Airborne's 3rd Battalion, 3rd Brigade searched a 12-room complex inside a cave with white marble floors, 10-foot ceilings and fluorescent lighting. They found cigarette butts, tea bags and other signs of recent abandonment ? but no Iraqis.


"We're going to have to try to figure out where they go," brigade commander Lt. Col. Lee Fetterman told Associated Press writer Kimberly Hefling. "There's no telling."


On Monday, U.S. forces captured an Iraqi colonel in one tunnel who was calling in artillery fire from his hideout.


Also at the airport, a Knight-Ridder news service report described 30 men from 1st Platoon Apache Company entering a tunnel through a "Staff only" doorway below the airport's baggage claim. They found a corridor 20 feet high and 20 feet wide that stretched for hundreds of yards in each direction ? but no Iraqis.




I'm sure what you quoted was said quite some time ago, or by someone without firsthand knowledge. They are in them NOW, I guess we all know now they do exist.

 

[HappyGamer2]

yep there are plenty underground tunnels and some of it was for subway. I hope they aren't full of booby traps etc

 

[Alistar7]

Hopefully they can secure them and make sure none are still a viable escape route. Daunting task, who knows how many, where....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Alistar7
How is it speculation? Did you read the article, it describes how American forces are EXPLORING them.

Did you?

I quoted from it.

I see what you are saying . . . now. OF COURSE the TUNNELS EXIST. The SPECULATION is IF the WMD are INSIDE the TUNNELS.

OK?

The scientist in your topic's link NEVER SAW the tunnels HIMSELF or WMDs. <<"But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery." >>

The quote is taken RIGHT BELOW your's in the link.

 

[Alistar7]

Great and WHEN did he say that? Was it in the last 3 days? You are the only one harping on "specualtion". Now you are changing it to specualtion about WMD. You clearly inferred their EXISTENCE was only specualtion. Accept the fact that American forces FOUND them a few days ago, specualtion of existence over.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Great and WHEN did he say that? Was it in the last 3 days? You are the only one harping on "specualtion". Now you are changing it to specualtion about WMD. You clearly inferred their EXISTENCE was only specualtion. Accept the fact that American forces FOUND them a few days ago, specualtion of existence over.

He clearly inferred the existence of WMD was speculation. So speculation of existence is not over.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Great and WHEN did he say that? Was it in the last 3 days? You are the only one harping on "specualtion". Now you are changing it to specualtion about WMD. You clearly inferred their EXISTENCE was only specualtion. Accept the fact that American forces FOUND them a few days agoHussein al-Shahristani, a scientist who was imprisoned by Saddam and fled during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), told CBS' "60 Minutes" in February that plans originally called for a subway beneath Baghdad.



, specualtion of existence over.

You are a little slow here . . . try to follow me and I'll explain for the last time.

1) I double dog dare you to ReRead my replies to you and show me that I said anything about the existance of the tunnels being speculation.

2) Read the REST of the link YOU posted. You quoted: Hussein al-Shahristani, a scientist who was imprisoned by Saddam and fled during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), told CBS' "60 Minutes" in February that plans originally called for a subway beneath Baghdad.
"Hussein "got all the drawings; he told his military, `Go ahead and do them but not for a metro, for our weapons of mass destruction. We can hide them, move them around,'" al-Shahristani said. "We believe now it is more than 100 kilometers (60 miles) of very complex network, multilayer tunnels."

You stopped there. I kept reading and posted: "But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."


Argue with YOUR OWN link.

EDIT: YOU POSTED THIS: "Maybe Saddam has his WMD HERE.... Extensive Baghdad tunnels explored."

I replied to your topic: "It's ALL speculation." (again and for the LAST time there is NO proof of WMD in the tunnels)
yet

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: apoppin
It's ALL speculation. And they would be WELL-hidden.

But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."

Unfortunately, I think we will find them the "hard way".

There is your original post. Your quote regarding speculation is the tunnels existence, not anyhting to do with WMD. From this one must assume your intention is to point out the fact their existence is still in doubt somehow.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: apoppin
It's ALL speculation. And they would be WELL-hidden.

But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."

Unfortunately, I think we will find them the "hard way".

There is your original post. Your quote regarding speculation is the tunnels existence, not anyhting to do with WMD. From this one must assume your intention is to point out the fact their existence is still in doubt somehow.

He's talking about WMDs and finding them the "hard way" as in "being used in battle".

I think your reading comprehension and spelling is what's up for "specualtion".

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: apoppin
It's ALL speculation. And they would be WELL-hidden.

But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."

Unfortunately, I think we will find them the "hard way".

There is your original post. Your quote regarding speculation is the tunnels existence, not anyhting to do with WMD. From this one must assume your intention is to point out the fact their existence is still in doubt somehow.

i know exactly what I said and "one" has to seriously "read into" my post to think I was talking about the tunnel's existance instead of WMD.

If you wanted CLARIFICATION is is much better to ASK rather than ATTACK. When I finally understood what you were asking, I immediately replied: "I see what you are saying . . . now. OF COURSE the TUNNELS EXIST. The SPECULATION is IF the WMD are INSIDE the TUNNELS."

Now that is a CLARIFICATION - MY WORDS. But you continued to ignore my reply and continued to SHOVE WORDS IN MY MOUTH :"Great and WHEN did he say that? Was it in the last 3 days? You are the only one harping on "specualtion". Now you are changing it to specualtion about WMD. You clearly inferred their EXISTENCE was only specualtion. Accept the fact that American forces FOUND them a few days ago, specualtion of existence over. "

flavio understood exactly what I ment and you ignored him too in favor of your bias.

Quit ASSuming please.

There is NO speculation about your lack of reading comprention.

 

[Alistar7]

I understood his last comment, why include the rest of that, it had nothing to do with WMD, it was pointing out the fact the tunnels themselves were what was still under speculation. The fact that Saddam has WMD is well known.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I understood his last comment, why include the rest of that, it had nothing to do with WMD, it was pointing out the fact the tunnels themselves were what was still under speculation. The fact that Saddam has WMD is well known.

Why did you post the topic's title and not expect a reply to IT?

Maybe he DOESN'T have WMD in the TUNNELS.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I understood his last comment, why include the rest of that, it had nothing to do with WMD, it was pointing out the fact the tunnels themselves were what was still under speculation. The fact that Saddam has WMD is well known.

Why did you post the topic's title and not expect a reply to IT?

Maybe he DOESN'T have WMD in the TUNNELS.

There is speculation whether there is WMD in the tunnels. He did reply directly to the topic.

<- these make arguements so much more convincing.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I understood his last comment, why include the rest of that, it had nothing to do with WMD, it was pointing out the fact the tunnels themselves were what was still under speculation. The fact that Saddam has WMD is well known.

Why did you post the topic's title and not expect a reply to IT?

Maybe he DOESN'T have WMD in the TUNNELS.

There is speculation whether there is WMD in the tunnels. He did reply directly to the topic.

<- these make arguements so much more convincing.

Well, not really "more convincing". I am actually rolling MY eyes as I read the nonsense attributed to me and the disinclination to accept what I am saying after I clarify it.

(actually I just LOL)


(Edit and I am gonna STOP posting to this thread as it already has WAY more attention that it deserves)
aloha

 

[Alistar7]

But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."


oh, im must be an idiot, I thought they were speculating on the existence of the tunnels themselves, CLEARY they are talking about WMD...

 

[flavio]

It's pretty clear what apoppin was talking about.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."


oh, im must be an idiot, I thought they were speculating on the existence of the tunnels themselves, CLEARY they are talking about WMD...

Ok apology accepted.

















I'm really tired of this . . . g'nite
[logout]

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: apoppin
It's ALL speculation. And they would be WELL-hidden.

But al-Shahristani never saw the tunnels himself, he said.

Few have, said Patrick Garrett of Globalsecurity.org, a military affairs think tank. "There is tons of conjecture on this subject right now," he said, but "there's been no official confirmation or official imagery."

Unfortunately, I think we will find them the "hard way".

Sure it is easy to see what he was TRYING to say. First he states "it's all specualtion" He then quotes the article which he feels supports his opinion "it's all specualtion". Unfortunately they are not talking about WMD, they are talking about the tunnels themselves.

His last comment says "we will find them the hard way". HE was talking about WMD at that point. At least I guessed he was, I would hope he isn't claiming the tunnels were never proven to exist when American forces have been exploring them for days.

So he is claiming the speculation is over whether the WMD are in the tunnels or not when it is very clear that was not the point of that quote at all.

THE ONLY MENTION OF ANYTHING BEING A MATTER OF SPECULATION WAS THE TUNNELS THEMSELVES.