Discussion Maybe it's time we consider giving asylum to only females and female children.

[brycejones]

I think it’s past time that we change our asylum laws, rather than relying each successive administration to implement their own policy. There are several reasons to limit or curtail asylum from Mexico, Central and South America.

- All the usual reasons (stopping cartels engaged in human trafficking, preventing vectors for crime and terrorism, preventing spread of disease and parasites a la screwworm)
- We are not equipped to handle climate change induced migration. We can barely handle climate change for ourselves. Blame GOP and billionaires.
- We do not have a functioning social safety net or healthcare system for our own population, much less migrants who haven’t even paid into social security etc. Again, blame the GOP and billionaires.

I can even buy “some” of the right-wing cultural arguments—we’ve become less of a melting pot and more of a fractured society where the more recent waves of Latinos have been shunned by American society, keep to themselves and never have to learn the language. Again, I mostly blame the GOP over the past 18 years but Dems have their fair share of blame too.

I think any Democrat running for public office in 2026 or beyond needs to acknowledge that asylum laws will be changed, requirements for asylum will be stricter, and the # admitted will go down.

However, we still need more immigration judges to speed up the hearing + deportation process so we aren’t forced to imprison them at home or abroad. We also need amnesty for Dreamers who’ve been here their entire lives (minimum of 16 years) and a functioning guest worker program. My fear is that this issue has become so politicized that both parties will never work together and compromise to solve the problem.

They aren't being genuine in their arguments. The war on immigrants is strictly rooted in racism, period. Attacking asylum seekers is just looking to "other" a subset of immigrants but the real fight is a general war on immigration in general if they aren't white.

 

[Drach]

19th century? Literally for the existence of human kind.

Literally have we made this place better or worse.

 

[HomerJS]

This would violate the treaty in which the US is a signatory

 

[pmv]

Fox News was pushing this shit 20 years ago. Having been on the other side of this topic, I know it well.

How many crimes do you think a roughly equal number of (30 million?) Americans commit each year?
Why should we ONLY report on and obsess over the crimes a minority group causes?
Have you bothered to FACT CHECK whether this particular group commits more crimes than Americans in general?
Why should we engage in collective punishment against a minority group, just because they are human, and humans commit crimes?

To single out a group in this manner, may itself be the sort of racism that fueled the holocaust.
Propaganda may make exciting headlines to demagogue and demonize these people, but effective evil is no less evil. It would be our moral duty to oppose this farce of a topic and defend the innocent.

Very similar debate going on here. Couple of cases of asylum-seekers commiting serious crimes against girls, leading to furious protests in the name of "protecting women and children".

Seems like it's just human nature - minorities and out-groups are invariably held collectively responsible for such things in a way the majority mainstream group never are. Happens in so many domains (e.g. cyclists get blamed for every wrong thing ever done by someone who rides a bicycle, while motorists can commit deliberate mass murder using their vehicle as a weapon and nobody ever blames motorists as a group for it). I believe it even has a name "outgroup homogeneity"

I mean, when that Axel Rudikabana kid committed those atrocities against small children, it led to riots and attempted pogroms of Muslims and asylum-seekers, even though the perpetrator was (a) not an asylum-seeker and (b) not a Muslim.

They were, in fact, the autistic child of conservative Christians (who, granted, were themselves successful asylum claimants, I believe).

Yet there was no collective outpouring of rage against conservatives, Christians or, interestingly, even 'people with autism'. Those groups are all relatively privileged ones (the last because there are a _lot_ of affluent professional-class white people with autistic children, indeed you kind of have to have a bit of money to be able to access the services to get such a diagnosis). Hence they aren't in the classes who can be collectively blamed for the actions of individuals.

Autistic people get nothing like the collective stigmatisation that, say, people with schizophrenia or personalty disorders get, which is an interesting nuance of how these things work. Even among the disadvantaged, some are more disadvantaged than others.

(It is possible, that asylum-seekers might commit a disproportionate number of certain types of crime than existing citizens, because a proportion of them might have been pyschologically-damaged by the very crises they are fleeing - I doubt the difference is significant enough to explain that difference in the tendency towards collective blame, though)

 

[nickqt]

Imagine the field day Republicans would have pilloring some rich asshole known worldwide for running a child beauty pageant who also sexually harassed young women and counted as a friend the most widely known child sex trafficker in history!

Where are the Epstein files?