Discussion Maybe it's time we consider giving asylum to only females and female children.

[Indus]

This happened this past weekend in Netherlands: https://www.politie.nl/nieuws/2025/...id-dood-17-jarige-jong-vrouw-uit-abcoude.html

17 year old girl biking home sexually assaulted and murdered by an asylum seeker

The left are going to keep losing on immigration because of Laken Riley type events that result in a massive backlash and people going ultra right wing.

I mean there's a reason why even Sweden libs are like no more asylum seekers.. and we're going to have to find a way to balance it rather than allow moments like these to completely undermine what the left stands for.

Which is exactly what happened in America.. we lost on immigration.. not on eggs.

 

[Jaskalas]

Fox News was pushing this shit 20 years ago. Having been on the other side of this topic, I know it well.

How many crimes do you think a roughly equal number of (30 million?) Americans commit each year?
Why should we ONLY report on and obsess over the crimes a minority group causes?
Have you bothered to FACT CHECK whether this particular group commits more crimes than Americans in general?
Why should we engage in collective punishment against a minority group, just because they are human, and humans commit crimes?

To single out a group in this manner, may itself be the sort of racism that fueled the holocaust.
Propaganda may make exciting headlines to demagogue and demonize these people, but effective evil is no less evil. It would be our moral duty to oppose this farce of a topic and defend the innocent.

 

[brycejones]

OP shitting the bed again.

 

[UNCjigga]

I’m pretty sure we lost on “Dems are for they/them, not you”

 

[jmagg]

OP shitting the bed again.

Op is right imo, not so much on the crimes migrants commit, but huge numbers allowed in a short amount of time put Trump in the seat. Not to mention concessions.

 

[Indus]

Fox News was pushing this shit 20 years ago. Having been on the other side of this topic, I know it well.

How many crimes do you think a roughly equal number of (30 million?) Americans commit each year?
Why should we ONLY report on and obsess over the crimes a minority group causes?
Have you bothered to FACT CHECK whether this particular group commits more crimes than Americans in general?
Why should we engage in collective punishment against a minority group, just because they are human, and humans commit crimes?

To single out a group in this manner, may itself be the sort of racism that fueled the holocaust.
Propaganda may make exciting headlines to demagogue and demonize these people, but effective evil is no less evil. It would be our moral duty to oppose this farce of a topic and defend the innocent.

Facts don't matter to the Feels crowd.

And the Feels crowd is the single largest demographic in elections.

But how many right wing drum up with women asylum seekers??

The only ones in denial are the same old denialists who want to try the same old failed policies that got us Trump.

 

[Brainonska511]

Stop rotting your brain on right wing anti-immigration garbage.

 

[sandorski]

Education solves this problem.

 

[brycejones]

Op is right imo, not so much on the crimes migrants commit, but huge numbers allowed in a short amount of time put Trump in the seat. Not to mention concessions.

The OP arguing to give into racist bullshit is still racism. Unfortunately America has a long history of racist bullshit when it comes to immigration.

 

[brycejones]

Facts don't matter to the Feels crowd.

And the Feels crowd is the single largest demographic in elections.

But how many right wing drum up with women asylum seekers??

The only ones in denial are the same old denialists who want to try the same old failed policies that got us Trump.

Yes we know you are all about the feels and shitting the bed when it comes to immigrants who for some reason scare the shit out of you.

 

[Indus]

Education solves this problem.

Stop rotting your brain on right wing anti-immigration garbage.

Read Sandorski's post.

You're thinking things will be fine but they're conditioning future generations on no education/ critical thinking at all or did you miss their dismantling of the department of education.

Every civilization finds it necessary to negotiate compromises with its own values.

If you want the left wing to survive tomorrow.. you have to start appeals to the "feels crowd" with simple 4th grade reasoning that makes them dismiss right wing bullshit.

Like "asylum seekers sexually assault and murder woman".. umm how they don't even have a dick.. this is obvious fake news! Fuck you right wingers!

 

[GodisanAtheist]

What liberals need to do is sort of what the snake Gavin Newsom is doing: use humor to ridicule conservative leaders (and specifically leaders, not their followers).

If there is something traditional strongman authoritarianism cannot abide and has no good response to, its being ridiculed. The harder they protest at being made fun of, the weaker and more ridiculous they seem.

That is really the only viable strategy going forward.

 

[Indus]

Bad example to use but just did today's wordle and it's enlightening in a way:



One thing the right wing does exceedingly well is change arguments and reasoning to keep the feels crowd on their side.

But the left is very rigid.. and very slow to change.

Just look at Kam's Gaza rigidity for example.. that lost her quite a few voters from the base didn't it??

We need to have better adaptability to adjust to what is resonating at the moment. I mean if Kam were playing wordle.. she'd try BIRTH BIRTH and BIRTH again!

 

[Brainonska511]

Read Sandorski's post.

You're thinking things will be fine but they're conditioning future generations on no education/ critical thinking at all or did you miss their dismantling of the department of education.

Every civilization finds it necessary to negotiate compromises with its own values.

If you want the left wing to survive tomorrow.. you have to start appeals to the "feels crowd" with simple 4th grade reasoning that makes them dismiss right wing bullshit.

Like "asylum seekers sexually assault and murder woman".. umm how they don't even have a dick.. this is obvious fake news! Fuck you right wingers!

Be nice to the straw men you're beating up.

You're just fear mongering about immigrants and making baseless assumptions that people won't try to integrate, despite history literally showing us that those assumptions are largely untrue.

 

[brycejones]

Be nice to the straw men you're beating up.

You're just fear mongering about immigrants and making baseless assumptions that people won't try to integrate, despite history literally showing us that those assumptions are largely untrue.

Isn't the OP an immigrant or 1st generation?

 

[Indus]

Be nice to the straw men you're beating up.

You're just fear mongering about immigrants and making baseless assumptions that people won't try to integrate, despite history literally showing us that those assumptions are largely untrue.

I'm not fear mongering..

I'm making the left's message fear mongering proof!

Until you accept that no point discussing this because I'm not promoting right wing propaganda.. I'm just saying what they do is effective and we need to counter-act it!

 

[Brainonska511]

I'm not fear mongering..

I'm making the left's message fear mongering proof!

Until you accept that no point discussing this because I'm not promoting right wing propaganda.. I'm just saying what they do is effective and we need to counter-act it!

Nativism, which is what you are describing, is right wing. Trying to drape it in some sort of left-wing veneer doesn't change that.

 

[brycejones]

I'm making the left's message fear mongering proof!

Ah yes, the trying to out Nazi the Nazis plan. GJ!

 

[Indus]

Nativism, which is what you are describing, is right wing. Trying to drape it in some sort of left-wing veneer doesn't change that.

Well it's not as easy as just having a shaman cast a Cure Nativism spell to counteract it!

We're going to have to find a way to deal with it.. because I don't see the hate of migrants lessening even though the economy is shit around us!

 

[UNCjigga]

I think it’s past time that we change our asylum laws, rather than relying each successive administration to implement their own policy. There are several reasons to limit or curtail asylum from Mexico, Central and South America.

- All the usual reasons (stopping cartels engaged in human trafficking, preventing vectors for crime and terrorism, preventing spread of disease and parasites a la screwworm)
- We are not equipped to handle climate change induced migration. We can barely handle climate change for ourselves. Blame GOP and billionaires.
- We do not have a functioning social safety net or healthcare system for our own population, much less migrants who haven’t even paid into social security etc. Again, blame the GOP and billionaires.

I can even buy “some” of the right-wing cultural arguments—we’ve become less of a melting pot and more of a fractured society where the more recent waves of Latinos have been shunned by American society, keep to themselves and never have to learn the language. Again, I mostly blame the GOP over the past 18 years but Dems have their fair share of blame too.

I think any Democrat running for public office in 2026 or beyond needs to acknowledge that asylum laws will be changed, requirements for asylum will be stricter, and the # admitted will go down.

However, we still need more immigration judges to speed up the hearing + deportation process so we aren’t forced to imprison them at home or abroad. We also need amnesty for Dreamers who’ve been here their entire lives (minimum of 16 years) and a functioning guest worker program. My fear is that this issue has become so politicized that both parties will never work together and compromise to solve the problem.

 

[Brainonska511]

Well it's not as easy as just having a shaman cast a Cure Nativism spell to counteract it!

We're going to have to find a way to deal with it.. because I don't see the hate of migrants lessening even though the economy is shit around us!

The hate exists because people continue to push nativist bullshit.

If you want to reduce immigrant hate, how about you instead speak to the positives that they bring instead of stewing in anecdotes about immigrant crime? Immigrants enrich our country by bringing along new foods, new ideas, and new people to work. And they show a lot of chutzpah to pick up and leave their own homes to try and make a better life here.

 

[Indus]

The hate exists because people continue to push nativist bullshit.

If you want to reduce immigrant hate, how about you instead speak to the positives that they bring instead of stewing in anecdotes about immigrant crime? Immigrants enrich our country by bringing along new foods, new ideas, and new people to work. And they show a lot of chutzpah to pick up and leave their own homes to try and make a better life here.

And who's mind would I change here?

Gotnoeggs? pcgeek/ brandonbull/ tajmahal/ compuwiz??

The only one who changed his mind shockingly was Felix when it started hitting his wallet!

 

[Brainonska511]

And who's mind would I change here?

Gotnoeggs? pcgeek/ brandonbull/ tajmahal/ compuwiz??

The only one who changed his mind shockingly was Felix when it started hitting his wallet!

If no one's mind will ever change, then we should just shut it all down. Why even have a discussion forum?

 

[nakedfrog]

I can even buy “some” of the right-wing cultural arguments—we’ve become less of a melting pot and more of a fractured society where the more recent waves of Latinos have been shunned by American society, keep to themselves and never have to learn the language. Again, I mostly blame the GOP over the past 18 years but Dems have their fair share of blame too.

Haven't people said this about various waves of immigrants since the 19th century?

 

[Drach]

Haven't people said this about various waves of immigrants since the 19th century?

19th century? Literally for the existence of human kind.