Maybe Democrats are starting to get it:

[realibrad]

Monopolies always form without regulation and it's a natural outcome of pure capitalism.

Then again, there is only one example of a capitalist system in the history of mankind.

All successful (to the society) systems are based on mixed economies (a free market regulated by government).

Give me an example of a monopoly that was not supported by the state. Keep in mind that a Monopoly is not something that innovated and capture market share because they had a better production. So if you are tempted to list something like standard oil you may want to research them first. But ill defend my position, which is not something agent has the ability to do.

 

[agent00f]

Give me an example of a monopoly that was not supported by the state. Keep in mind that a Monopoly is not something that innovated and capture market share because they had a better production. So if you are tempted to list something like standard oil you may want to research them first. But ill defend my position, which is not something agent has the ability to do.

I'm sure those jr college profs have already told you that reciting heritage foundation papers isn't "research".

 

[realibrad]

Even in community college they're required to read actual psych texts instead of just extrapolating from personal manic depressive episodes.



Haha, bites on buckshit bait every time.

I actually just had my IQ tested. Sadly my working memory tanked my overall score as that was only in the 30% percentile. That is common with ADHD, but even with that I scored in the 80% percentile. So unless there is a question of remembering a phone number, I don't think I did all that poorly.

 

[agent00f]

I actually just had my IQ tested. Sadly my working memory tanked my overall score as that was only in the 30% percentile. That is common with ADHD, but even with that I scored in the 80% percentile. So unless there is a question of remembering a phone number, I don't think I did all that poorly.

"IQ test" audience also perfect targets for conservative think tank marketing. You is so smart.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Give me an example of a monopoly that was not supported by the state. Keep in mind that a Monopoly is not something that innovated and capture market share because they had a better production. So if you are tempted to list something like standard oil you may want to research them first. But ill defend my position, which is not something agent has the ability to do.

Give me an example of a nation with a capitalist system and I'll do that right away. There are none but if there had been there would have been zero regulation and unrestricted growth of the biggest corporation which would inevitably provide the best service at the best price until the companies that refused to be bought out went under. That is simply the natural progression of an unrestricted free market.

I can't read agents posts so I have no idea what he's been writing nor do I believe that he has one good argument in his entire being.

 

[brycejones]

Realibrad looks like a crazy person the last page of this thread. I assume he is trying to have a conversation with agent? You all should just put agent on ignore all he does is derail threads at this point.

 

[agent00f]

Give me an example of a nation with a capitalist system and I'll do that right away. There are none but if there had been there would have been zero regulation and unrestricted growth of the biggest corporation which would inevitably provide the best service at the best price until the companies that refused to be bought out went under. That is simply the natural progression of an unrestricted free market.

I can't read agents posts so I have no idea what he's been writing nor do I believe that he has one good argument in his entire being.

Mental peers made for each other.

Realibrad looks like a crazy person the last page of this thread. I assume he is trying to have a conversation with agent? You all should just put agent on ignore all he does is derail threads at this point.

All these srs conversations about evolutionary biology and economics. It's honestly hard to say democrats don't deserve to lose, as much as the hella naive deserve anything.

 

[realibrad]

Give me an example of a nation with a capitalist system and I'll do that right away. There are none but if there had been there would have been zero regulation and unrestricted growth of the biggest corporation which would inevitably provide the best service at the best price until the companies that refused to be bought out went under. That is simply the natural progression of an unrestricted free market.

I can't read agents posts so I have no idea what he's been writing nor do I believe that he has one good argument in his entire being.

That is the beauty of capitalism. You said the inevitable outcome of capitalism. Pure capitalism is not anarchy because there is no real ownership in anarchy so that is irrelevant. So to say monopolies are an inevitable outcome is a very strong claim. Do you have anything to support that?

Regulation is a major part of capitalism. Somehow people have collectively forgotten this.

 

[realibrad]

Realibrad looks like a crazy person the last page of this thread. I assume he is trying to have a conversation with agent? You all should just put agent on ignore all he does is derail threads at this point.

That seems to be how most feel about him now.

That said, I may be a crazy person because it goes against my ideals to put him on ignore.

 

[realibrad]

"IQ test" audience also perfect targets for conservative think tank marketing. You is so smart.

Oh, so do you also have a conspiracy theory about IQ testing too? Are IQ tests a way to help the lizard people gang stalk you?

 

[agent00f]

Oh, so do you also have a conspiracy theory about IQ testing too? Are IQ tests a way to help the lizard people gang stalk you?

Just a simple fact that the r/iamverysmart crowd love to brag about their "IQ tests" publicly.

That seems to be how most feel about him now.

That said, I may be a crazy person because it goes against my ideals to put him on ignore.

A lot of democrats do love to comply with conservative advice then wonder why trump.

 

[realibrad]

Just a simple fact that the r/iamverysmart crowd love to brag about their "IQ tests" publicly.



A lot of democrats do love to comply with conservative advice then wonder why trump.

So the empirical quantification of my ability to understand and rationalize what is being said is actually meaningless. So how can your claim refuted?

 

[agent00f]

So the empirical quantification of my ability to understand and rationalize what is being said is actually meaningless. So how can your claim refuted?

r/iamverysmart posterchild self-ownage

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Hard to decide if it's even funnier when some fox news reciting parrot pretends to be anything but:

Fox News? umm, no. I'm more of an AP/Reuters kind of guy.

But it was no surprise to see you take another mighty swing and miss even more mightily. Congrats on being completely and utterly wrong, once again.

 

[agent00f]

Fox News? umm, no. I'm more of an AP/Reuters kind of guy.

But it was no surprise to see you take another mighty swing and miss even more mightily. Congrats on being completely and utterly wrong, once again.

I'm sure AP/Reuters are so very concerned about them welfare queens too. You should get together with brad to discuss a minimally convincing strategy to plausible deny conservatism--maybe pretend to renounce symbolic racism like @Jaskalas, seems to work for him with dumbshit tier democrats. I mean, you don't even have to actually stop apologizing for confederate sons or anything.

 

[J.Wilkins]

That is the beauty of capitalism. You said the inevitable outcome of capitalism. Pure capitalism is not anarchy because there is no real ownership in anarchy so that is irrelevant. So to say monopolies are an inevitable outcome is a very strong claim. Do you have anything to support that?

Since there isn't a capitalist nation on earth it's hard to give examples but on an unrestricted market there is no rule against price dumping or buying out your competitors so common sense dictates that the biggest player always wins one way or another. In the end a fully capitalist system would end up just like a fully communist system but rather than the government having ownership of everything it would be a corporation.

Regulation is a major part of capitalism. Somehow people have collectively forgotten this.

What the hell? Regulation of the free market is the very definition of what socialism is. You're talking about a mixed economy, not capitalism.

 

[realibrad]

Since there isn't a capitalist nation on earth it's hard to give examples but on an unrestricted market there is no rule against price dumping or buying out your competitors so common sense dictates that the biggest player always wins one way or another. In the end a fully capitalist system would end up just like a fully communist system but rather than the government having ownership of everything it would be a corporation.



What the hell? Regulation of the free market is the very definition of what socialism is. You're talking about a mixed economy, not capitalism.

This is what throws people. Regulation is not antithetical to capitalism if the regulation arises from the market. Capitalism is about private ownership and is the private owners want self regulation they can do so. Restrictions between first and second parties is fine. What brakes the system is when a third party tries to regulate the exchanges.

Also, you do not need a pure system of capitalism to show that you are wrong. The fact that every monopoly arose from State support and never without is enough. Your argument is that monopolies from from lack of regulation, but, all examples have had state support. Do you not find it odd that none have formed without state support?

 

[J.Wilkins]

This is what throws people. Regulation is not antithetical to capitalism if the regulation arises from the market. Capitalism is about private ownership and is the private owners want self regulation they can do so. Restrictions between first and second parties is fine. What brakes the system is when a third party tries to regulate the exchanges.

If the definition of socialism is free market regulation and the capitalist index is measured by how much the government regulates the market then how the hell is regulation a part of capitalism? Again, this is a mixed economy you're describing.

Your idea of self regulating works ONLY if humans are not involved. It's the same thing with communism as with capitalism, the extremes NEVER work.

Also, you do not need a pure system of capitalism to show that you are wrong. The fact that every monopoly arose from State support and never without is enough. Your argument is that monopolies from from lack of regulation, but, all examples have had state support. Do you not find it odd that none have formed without state support?

All examples that exist are based in realities that exist, yes of fucking course. In a reality where there was a nation without any regulation on a free market there would be examples of capitalist created monopolies but since that isn't actual reality I can't give real world examples. There have been PLENTY of examples of attempted monopolization of the market though, usually via price dumping to get rid of the competition (MS vs. Netscape is an example) when they didn't want to sell their entire idea for cheap.

Now regulatory powers used by corrupt people is a problem (as is corrupt coppers) but doing away with the entire thing doesn't solve the problem, getting rid of the corruption DOES.

 

[dank69]

Self-regulation. Lol

 

[realibrad]

Self-regulation. Lol

Say hello to the ESRB.

 

[realibrad]

If the definition of socialism is free market regulation and the capitalist index is measured by how much the government regulates the market then how the hell is regulation a part of capitalism? Again, this is a mixed economy you're describing.

Your idea of self regulating works ONLY if humans are not involved. It's the same thing with communism as with capitalism, the extremes NEVER work.

The definition of Socialism is not free market regulation. The definition more accurately would be community owned and controlled. Thus, 3rd parties can regulate and control transactions that they are not directly involved in. In Capitalism, the regulation would have to be between the two transacting parties. You would still have a 3rd party to enforce contractual agreements which will be the state. But it would be incorrect to say that Socialism is freemarket regulation. By definition its not free market.

All examples that exist are based in realities that exist, yes of fucking course. In a reality where there was a nation without any regulation on a free market there would be examples of capitalist created monopolies but since that isn't actual reality I can't give real world examples. There have been PLENTY of examples of attempted monopolization of the market though, usually via price dumping to get rid of the competition (MS vs. Netscape is an example) when they didn't want to sell their entire idea for cheap.

Now regulatory powers used by corrupt people is a problem (as is corrupt coppers) but doing away with the entire thing doesn't solve the problem, getting rid of the corruption DOES.

MS vs Netscape is a great example to prove my point. Yes, MS tried very very hard to kill competition. They tried to control and manipulate transactions they were not directly part of. This is an attempt to do monopolistic activity. That said, where is MS now in the browser war? The reality is that MS did not lose the browser war because the government stepped in to fix it. They lost due to competition. The main reason MS was able to beat netscape was because they went free which is actually a competition move.

And, again, you can isolate the factors that we are talking about here. Its true that we do not have any pure form of capitalism or socialism, but that does not matter. You can look at individual monopolies and look at what is sustaining them and see that its not because of lack of regulation.

 

[dank69]

Say hello to the ESRB.

Like that wasn't formed in response to the threat of federal regulations?

 

[realibrad]

Like that wasn't formed in response to the threat of federal regulations?

Fine, be pedantic.

How about the ABA? My GF used to sell electronic components so I learned about National Electrical Manufacturers Association as well.

How many more do you want before you see that it can and does work?

 

[dank69]

Fine, be pedantic.

How about the ABA? My GF used to sell electronic components so I learned about National Electrical Manufacturers Association as well.

How many more do you want before you see that it can and does work?

To be clear, I am not saying self regulation can't happen. I am saying you can't count on it happening when it needs to happen.

 

[Jaskalas]

To be clear, I am not saying self regulation can't happen. I am saying you can't count on it happening when it needs to happen.

You mean... Social Security cannot be funded by charity alone?! Say it ain't so... 😳