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Mayan pyramid destroyed in order to build new road..

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/world/americas/belize-mayan-pyramid-destroyed/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The comment section is very interesting, especially

Who cares, they gave us wrong intel about end of the world.
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But seriously, at what point does a historic building no longer have value? In 1000 years, how many of our modern buildings should be kept up as historic? Was there any other knowledge or value that could be obtained from studying the building, or had archaeologists extracted everything they could?

IMO at some point we have to let go of the past. It's like keeping pictures of your ex-girlfriend around. For history's though, I have no idea what that point is. But we can't keep absolutely everything, I know that much.
 
if you dont break the law there is nothing to worry about

"It is against the law; it is against the nature act to willfully destroy an ancient monument," Awe told News5. "Any willful destruction of an ancient site or monument has penalties of 10 years' imprisonment or $10,000 for this kind of destruction."
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Bizarre. Seems like a real travesty.

That said, I can't stand some of the local historical building buffs. They want to keep everything, even all the ugly run down junk homes. I remember one saying that bungalows from the 1950s in my city should never be torn down for new 2-story homes, because they're reminder of the history from that era.

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Eug said:
Bizarre. Seems like a real travesty.

That said, I can't stand some of the local historical building buffs. They want to keep everything, even all the ugly run down junk homes. I remember one saying that bungalows from the 1950s in my city should never be torn down for new 2-story homes, because they're reminder of the history from that era.

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This. We do go a little over the top preserving 'history' here. I know it's all relative, and relatively speaking our nation is extremely young, but do we seriously need to keep every 50-100 year old home protected?
 
Fingolfin269 said:
This. We do go a little over the top preserving 'history' here. I know it's all relative, and relatively speaking our nation is extremely young, but do we seriously need to keep every 50-100 year old home protected?
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For a European city like Madrid or Rome I can see preserving the history by not tearing down old buildings but for a place like Santa Monica or practically anywhere in CA for that matter unless it is a Mission or someplace like Hurst Castle then who cares?

No way should a Mayan Pyramid have been destroyed for a fucking road though.
 
Visited Chichen Itza last month - absolutely despicable that people would do this to the great historical ruins of there own people.
 
Fmr12B said:
Visited Chichen Itza last month - absolutely despicable that people would do this to the great historical ruins of there own people.
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Uhhh...have you heard of those 'Spanish' people? Who, like, colonized things?

Do you question white people in the US for shitting on 'their Native American heritage'?
 
phucheneh said:
Uhhh...have you heard of those 'Spanish' people? Who, like, colonized things?

Do you question white people in the US for shitting on 'their Native American heritage'?
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Not going to get into with your troll baiting - The 1500's were a long time ago. Its 2013, people are a bit wiser - generally speaking.
 
I'm guessing the contractors weighed the laughable penalty of a $10k fine vs whatever cost to import the fill that they did not currently have.

It's not like this was in the way, apparently--they just wanted fill. Hopefully there will be a serious investigation into the contractors; methinks this is a shady/criminal front more than anything.
 
JulesMaximus said:
What on earth are you babbling about? 😵
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to be fair, he's pointing out the fact that the ruins of Chichen Itza do not reflect, "their people"

In fact, Chichen Itza exist as ruins now because the real ancestors of today's inhabitants destroyed the people of Chichen Itza.
 
zinfamous said:
to be fair, he's pointing out the fact that the ruins of Chichen Itza do not reflect, "their people"

In fact, Chichen Itza exist as ruins now because the real ancestors of today's inhabitants destroyed the people of Chichen Itza.
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This.

It's not 'trolling.' Or 'troll baiting,' whatever the hell that is (seems to imply the other party is the 'troll'...). I don't support the destruction of the ruins in question. Just pointing out that they Mayans are, you know, dead. As is most of their DNA, other than what got through as a result of the Spaniards copulating with likely-unwilling native women.

That last bit is debatable, of course. Some would say the cultures merged, but...not really.
 
if the pic in the article is the "pyramid" in question, no great loss. i went to visit the mayan ruins in tulum, those i could see being upset about.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
I just read about this and I'm saddened by the loss of it as well. Stupid, stupid and selfish thing to do for a goddamned road.
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Not defending the peoples actions at all, but these 'pyramids' are nothing more than mounds of limestone rocks covered with foliage. They are all over the whole area Mayans occupied, and this is hardly the first time it has happened in Belize.

Some of them you wouldn't even notice unless someone with an archaeology or geology background points it out.

These pyramids are nowhere near the scale of many of the other massive ruins that everyone knows about.
 
phucheneh said:
This.

It's not 'trolling.' Or 'troll baiting,' whatever the hell that is (seems to imply the other party is the 'troll'...). I don't support the destruction of the ruins in question. Just pointing out that they Mayans are, you know, dead. As is most of their DNA, other than what got through as a result of the Spaniards copulating with likely-unwilling native women.

That last bit is debatable, of course. Some would say the cultures merged, but...not really.
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Fuck me - our 6-person tour guide was 100% Mayan, my server at our resort in Cancun was 100% Mayan as well. The culture is still alive, much like the culture of Native Americans in the US.

It did not disappear.
 
Fmr12B said:
Fuck me - our 6-person tour guide was 100% Mayan, my server at our resort in Cancun was 100% Mayan as well. The culture is still alive, much like the culture of Native Americans in the US.

It did not disappear.
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lol, because tour guides and servers are experts in history and genealogy and would never lie to make the experience seem more authentic to gullible culturally-aware San Franciscans.
 
Fmr12B said:
Fuck me - our 6-person tour guide was 100% Mayan, my server at our resort in Cancun was 100% Mayan as well. The culture is still alive, much like the culture of Native Americans in the US.

It did not disappear.
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I don't want to drag this out....but when you talk about the culture of native Americans being alive in this country...what exactly do you mean by "alive?"

Have you spent much time on a reservation? And does a tribal casino reflect the culture in an honest way?

Much like your tour guides and servers in a sterile, isolated resort area, it seems that the cultures of conquered and displaced people are allowed to survive in the capacity that they can provide us entertainment, no?

:hmm:
 
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