So GM is going to be next summer where Toyota was last summer? Good for them, but they're a little late to wake up and smell the coffee. And they still have to find a way to turn a profit unless, as I already mentioned, Obama is going to just keep handing them my paycheck.
show me the following in Toyota...
a small CUV that gets 32mpg
a small sedan that gets 40mpg (non hybrid)
PricklyPete
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I wouldn't say the guys over at Autoblog are your typcial "media". They are pretty big Domestic Fanboys...but I think they try to be as objective as possible with this stuff.
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Um...Tacoma's have very high resalve values. My friend sold his 2001 Tacoma, regular cab, I4, stick, 4x4. He took the money and got a 2000 Tundra extended cab, 4x4, V8, auto and had nearly $1K left over after the deal.
But to use a Tacoma as an example of how much better foreign vehicles resale is not really fair as it has one of the best by far. That's like trying to say all Chevy's are fast because a Corvette is a Chevy.
so because the current economy has brought down sales of all makes/models of vehicles for 2008, that proves that GM's multi-decade downward trajectory has nothing to do with their business model?
Why a non-hybrid? What's wrong with hybrids? If I can buy a hybrid that costs as much or less than your small non-hybrid sedan, yet gets better mileage, what is wrong with buying a hybrid? Nor do I see anything that indicates where the Cruze would get 40+ mpg, even by 2011. The only information I see on mileage guesses:
Source
The idiot OP never made that analysis in any of his post.
Thank you for using your brain at least.
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Exactly how hard did you research the Cruze?
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel.../News/articleId=129326
First page of Google. I suppose it's speculation either way since the car won't even be on the market until the 2011 model year.
uh, thats 1 year from now... and people were saying the Equinox/Terrain were going to get 30mpg highway about a year ago, and then just recently GM said that they had made changes and upped the FE to 32mpg highway...
Almost identical marketing scheme GM put out with the "Volt"! And guess where the Volt is at right now! Did I hear someone say 'scrap"?
You never answered my question: why does it have to be a non-hybrid? And what is the MSRP of the Cruze supposed to be?
Wow. So?
GM hasn't announced pricing on the Cruze yet. It's hard to say what they're going to do with it though. It will probably be close to all the others starting around $16k (figure current compacts are mostly starting at around $15.5k, so a little more considering it's a year or so away)
Why not compare apple to apples. Comparing a hybrid to a non-hybrid is stupid. If GM can get 40mpg out of a gas engine, but toyota hybrids get the same milage, who really has the better technology?
BTW, the 1.4l turbo may get up to 45MPG. http://consumerguideauto.howst...11-chevrolet-cruze.htm
In economic terms, the better car is the one that costs less to own, period. Whether or not it's a hybrid makes no difference. If I have two $20k cars and one is a hybrid getting 50 mpg and the other is not a hybrid and gets 40 mpg, all else being equal, it obviously makes sense to buy the hybrid. Even as an engineer, I don't give a rat's if the engine in my car is more efficient than any other car: I'm worried about the bottom line.
Yeah, seems like the numbers are completely inconsistent. I'll believe it when I have a working car sitting in front of me.
My friend's 99 Corolla gets 42 mpg on the freeway and 34 mpg in town. You are so last decade. Besides, it will take a few years to actually find out what the true gas mileage is and how successful the car is. I'm sure you're aware that there are at least 10 cars that were complete crap but were rated "best new car" (or something like that) by JDP & Assoc.
1.4 liter? Are you serious? Then it should be getting 50-55 mpg, not 40. A friend's 99 Corolla (1.8 liter) gets 42mpg. I often rent small cars when I go to Europe (last rental was a VW Polo), and I swear that thing was running on air
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Enter 1999 Totota Corolla here and officially, it gets much worse than you state.
Direct link.
It's more than likely your friends driving habits that show such high mileage. He/she could drive any similar mpg car and get about the same mileage. My 07 Cobalt coup was up to 39mpg on the highway with 4 people inside, the AC on and cruising at 70 mph.
Originally posted by: fornax
1.4 liter? Are you serious? Then it should be getting 50-55 mpg, not 40. A friend's 99 Corolla (1.8 liter) gets 42mpg. I often rent small cars when I go to Europe (last rental was a VW Polo), and I swear that thing was running on air
By that logic, we could go down to a .5 liter and get 100mpg. Of course, there are power limitations involved. And for the record, my father still has a Geo Metro that gets 60 mpg with it's 1.0 liter 3 cylinder. Of course, you add all of the required safety stuff included on today's cars and it wouldn't do nearly as well.
Lots of people still want and need to buy trucks like people who are farmers, do construction work or do anything where they need to move or haul things in a truck. Some people like trucks for a second vehicle for those times when one needs to haul something like a refrigerator or lumber. I dont see most of the foreign manufacturers selling well for this market.
I have said this before but what the big three should do is just quit selling cars to make the price for new cars rise due to a low supply level.
I have said this before but what the big three should do is just quit selling cars to make the price for new cars rise due to a low supply level.
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Exactly... They were losing money in the best of economies... They need to die.
Hopefully after bankruptcy and re-strucuring they can put out a decent car at a decent price. Up until now they have only put out shit cars at a decent price, or decent cars at a too high price.
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