Maxtor Problems.

BaumerX

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Take this for what it's worth........


Quote from www.iteuropa.com

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Maxtor battles to quell channel fury

IT Europa (UK/Pan-European), August 2004

HDD vendor Maxtor has fiercely denied signing a pan-European distribution agreement with Singapore-based disti eSys in order to offload a bulk shipment of faulty drives rejected by OEM partner Dell. But leading players in Maxtor's European channel have cast serious doubts on the vendor's version of events, claiming that with their return rates for faulty Maxtor products reaching 'unacceptable' levels important questions remain unanswered.

'Maxtor would never ship defective products,' says Mike Cordano, executive VP global sales and marketing at the drive giant. 'Approximately 36,000 drives were returned to us by Dell earlier in the year, but they were never reshipped.' Maxtor claims the 40 gigabyte drives had been deployed in a non-PC point of sale application that they had not been designed for, resulting in a high failure rate. On taking back the drives, Maxtor claims it quarantined the products, broke them up and added the component parts to its repair population. It also began a 'revalidation process' with Dell. Cordano says: 'We've adjusted our 40 gig product to extend its usage capabilities and Dell has embarked on testing of the product.'

Maxtor insists the returned drives were unconnected to its decision to extend the eSys alliance into Europe. According to Cordano, claims that a lack of marketing fanfare over the deal suggested Maxtor had something to hide are wide of the mark: 'We don't have a formalised mechanism for announcing alliances,' he says. 'We're now launching a system to ensure all partnerships are publicised the same way.'

But despite the denials some distis are attempting to pick holes in Maxtor's claims that this is an 'unfounded rumour', from sources with 'their own agenda'. 'I can't believe Dell only rejected 36,000 drives.' says one source. 'Maxtor credited the Dell issue as a cause for its weak sales. But 36,000 drives is nothing when Maxtor shipped 10.9m drives last quarter. It must have been a more substantial problem.' Maxtor counters that this is a 'misleading' interpretation and claims the sales shortfall was a result of the 'lost opportunity' of shipping between 1m and 3m drives while they were being requalified.

Others still reckon suspect products could have been passed onto eSys. Marius Jaworski, managing director at Polish HDD distributor Incom - which has stopped shipping Maxtor - claims: 'The rumours can't be proved without serial numbers from the Dell drives, but we're not just hearing this story from Maxtor's rivals, but its partners as well.'

Even one partner who believes Maxtor 'probably' did destroy the drives claims the vendor still has quality issues. 'Our internal failure rate for Maxtor drives has reached 3pc and climbing,' rants our insider. 'That makes it more than double Seagate and Hitachi's rate. We're talking to other distis to see if they have similar problems and are considering pushing for compensation.' Our source reckons that the applications it is seeing returned were built with components Maxtor shipped in early 2004. 'It looks like Dell tested the drives more thoroughly and spotted the fault,' he says. 'Everyone else took drives built at the same time that had the problem. Maxtor is playing the channel for fools.'

But Maxtor insists its failure rate remains in line with competitors such as Seagate and Hitachi. Cordano argues that the recent Warranty Week report - which showed Maxtor shelled out 5.5pc of product sales in warranty payments compared to just 2.4pc at Seagate - could be misleading. 'We count logistics, as well as the cost of repair, in our warranty figures. We don't know if our rivals use the same measurements.' Note, Seagate has again upped the stakes over product quality with the global launch of a five-year warranty on internal hard disk drives.

Despite the myriad of denials, Maxtor still added to partners' fears that the eSys deal will result in a channel reshuffle. 'When you add a player as large as eSys you have to make changes,' observes Didier Trassaert, VP EMEA at Maxtor. 'In areas where we have too many distis or where partners aren't hitting targets we may terminate alliances.'

The move comes too late for Incom, which ceased selling Maxtor last month. 'With eSys on board Maxtor has seven distis in Poland, but only shipped 30,000 units a quarter into the market,' says Jaworski. 'eSys' was selling below purchase prices and it was not worth being in the market.' Maxtor challenges this, insisting it can prove it terminated the relationship with Incom.

But even Maxtor's promise to strip out excess partners is doubted by several angry allies. Two partners claim that at its recent disti conference Maxtor said it would 'never' sign eSys in Europe, before recruiting it a few weeks later. Maxtor denies it ever ruled out signing eSys. www.maxtor.com

our analysis

Even if the dodgy drives were destroyed some partners are certain this is not an isolated problem and believe drives that fail in machines left on for too long were shipped. The only way Maxtor can lay this to rest is to make public its failure rates, but, when asked, Maxtor said it will not publish the figures. Of course, distribution partners are upset at the eSys' deal and Maxtor's rivals are only too willing to fuel talk of high failure rates. But with at least one pan-European distributor threatening to axe Maxtor, it will take some time to restore partner trust.
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lenjack

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And to be objective and fair, will you point out Maxtor's positive accomplishments as they occur?
 

BaumerX

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And to be objective and fair, will you point out Maxtor's positive accomplishments as they occur?
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If there were any.........
 

jswjimmy

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I?ve been using Maxtor for over 5 years with no problems why should one small incident bother me. Every company screws up sooner or later.
 

Zim Hosein

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Originally posted by: BaumerX
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And to be objective and fair, will you point out Maxtor's positive accomplishments as they occur?
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Again.....I get some unique news here at work. If it's not proprietary, I pass it on. I'm not concerned with being objective and fair. This is an article from www.ITeuropa.com, if your concerned, check out their website and judge for yourself . :D

You can join temporarily for free.

BaumerX, do you have permission to pass "proprietary" company info?
 

islandtechengineers

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lol , I can understand that a certain product may be released with slight defects causing a recall or failures with that product. but you cant say all of maxtors products share the same trait other than the name maxtor. I can belive it that a certain line, series or product of theirs could have been released = was a bad product, but not all of their products. I guess theres a concern with their 40 gig drives since 36,000 of them have been returned. Other than a comapny such as dell, most people have a hard drive in their machine thats way beyond a single 40 gig hardrive. having only 40 gigs alone probably isnt sufficient = i could be wrong!
 

3WAYsplit

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All the HDD Im using are Maxtor 200GB (2) 160 GB , 120GB these drives have run flawless since Ive installed them...

The only problem I ever had with a Maxtor drive was when I bought a SATA drive and I couldnt get my motherboard to read from it...
I called up Maxtor told them the problem, to rectify the situation they sent me a new drive...
 

BaumerX

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BaumerX, do you have permission to pass "proprietary" company info?
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Never have passed on "proprietary" info. Never will. What does this have to do with anything?
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: BaumerX
I promote the benefits of my company and point out the weaknesses of the competition. I am not being misleading, just posting news as I hear it as long as it's not proprietary. If I were objective I would have to work for neither company.

I don't get it. Some of you complain that I am "pretending" to be objective by hiding the fact of who I work for. Then others complain that I STATE that I am NOT objective. I am sure you all support the companies you work for.

Bottom line is, do you want me to pass stuff along or not?

I guess it depends. :)

Do you want to bring this "news" to the attention of the AT community, personally? If so, then I don't really that it is a problem, per se, but you should acknowledge that you are employed by a competitor, but that the thoughts that you post are your own. (Full disclosure and all that.)

But if you somehow feel that you have to post them, by virtue of the fact that you work for a competitor, and that is somehow supporting your employer (even though you post it unofficially, on your own time, I assume), then please don't. Unless you are paid for being a formal public spokesperson for Seagate, then don't do it, it's not your job. (Again, unless it interests and motivates you personally, then in that case, I think that it's alright, within reason.)

What brings this all into question, is how you started your post:
As a Seagate employee, I feel it is my duty ....

That seems to indicate that you are posting for the second reason that I listed, and not the first. If you had said, "Hey guys, I thought that this was interesting, and btw, I do work for a competitor of the company mentioned in this article", then it would have been more indicative that you posted it for the first reason.

I'm not going to tell you how you have to act on AT, but it's up to you how you want to represent yourself the community, as a "Seagate PR rep" (even unofficial), or as "A tech guy that happens to work at Seagate". If you want to be a PR rep, then I suggest applying for that job formally, and submitting press releases to the news staff, instead of posting press releases and news articles verbatim in the forums.

Just IMHO, others may feel differently.

(And hey, no hard feelings, and in fact I still vote for adding those clear plexiglass HD covers, I did think that was a neat idea, although I don't need any fancy blinking colored LEDs on it. If a HD ever does fail, I think that it could help diagnose the failure more easily, and help possible physical-level data-recovery technicians as well. So I guess I would want transparent covers more for practical than for show-off reasons.)
 

0roo0roo

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eh, i just had a 40 AND an 80 from maxtor fail:( and the 40 was a 1yr old rma to boot... seriously that juist sucks.
 

CraigRT

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Maxtor is a problem itself.. I hate their worthless hard drives, I'm lucky if any of them last a year.... junk!

Seagate 5 yr warranty owns!
 

BaumerX

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Do you want to bring this "news" to the attention of the AT community, personally? If so, then I don't really that it is a problem, per se, but you should acknowledge that you are employed by a competitor, but that the thoughts that you post are your own. (Full disclosure and all that.)
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It's a freakin news article. Ignore it if you wish. Maxtor has problems.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: BaumerX
It's a freakin news article. Ignore it if you wish. Maxtor has problems.

I don't know why you edited your posts, but was basically my point - if it's a news article, then submit it to the site as news, that's all. I'm sorry if you somehow thought that I was being harsh, I wasn't trying to be.
 

BaumerX

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I don't know why you edited your posts, but was basically my point - if it's a news article, then submit it to the site as news, that's all. I'm sorry if you somehow thought that I was being harsh, I wasn't trying to be.
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No, I don't think you were being harsh. Your right. I post because I am a computer hobbyist and nothing more so I am no longer going to point out where I work since I am not a spokesman for the company...thus the edited posts.....

Also the article that I posted is from a good source and should be a concern to those contemplating buying a hard drive and it has nothing to do with where I work as some have implied.

Later :D