Maxtor ATA 150 SATA, 10,000 RPM

[KingShip]

That's right, Maxtor told me Q2 2003 they will have an serial ATA150 HDD, with a spindle zipping at 10,000 rpm.

There's no WD cache that's going to catch up to that !

Later KingShip

 

[Rand]

Naturally we will request some showing of validity for your claims, or reasoning as to why we should consider you a reputable source in respect to your claims.

 

[esso]

Originally posted by: Rand
Naturally we will request some showing of validity for your claims, or reasoning as to why we should consider you a reputable source in respect to your claims.

Well it's not like this is his first post or something...😕

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: esso

Originally posted by: Rand
Naturally we will request some showing of validity for your claims, or reasoning as to why we should consider you a reputable source in respect to your claims.

Well it's not like this is his first post or something...😕

LMAO !!!!! Hell yes it must be true,he posted 5 times allready. 😉

 

[cmdrdredd]

who's to say that WD won't have something with the same speed and a LARGER buffer? Wouldn't that be better? oh well...I'd stilll take SCSI over ATA anyday when you get up to that speed.

 

[nortexoid]

Originally posted by: KingShip
That's right, Maxtor told me Q2 2003 they will have an serial ATA150 HDD, with a spindle zipping at 10,000 rpm.

There's no WD cache that's going to catch up to that !

Later KingShip

uh, i don't think so...maxtor still has to play capacity-catch-up.

 

[Tab]

SCSI is far from affordable for anyone currently, unless your really into the hobby. I am positive WD can easliy catch up 😀 Just slap a 8MB cache,SATA-150, 8000 RPM+, quiet and I would buy it 😀

 

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: KingShip
That's right, Maxtor told me Q2 2003 they will have an serial ATA150 HDD, with a spindle zipping at 10,000 rpm.

There's no WD cache that's going to catch up to that !

Later KingShip

Yeah but that's 6-7 months away and Western Digital will have a 10,000 RPM drive out as well...if the need is called upon. Great for consumers who like competition.

 

[Pariah]

"uh, i don't think so...maxtor still has to play capacity-catch-up."

Maxtor already has the capacity crown now, and will continue to do so for at least the duration of the just released generation.

 

[randomlinh]

i wanna see some native sata drives 🙂

I dunno about 10k rpm... on ide/sata?? don't be bitchin if you don't stick a fan in front of it....

 

[fkloster]

IDE CURRENT RELIABILITY + 2800rpm increase in spindle speed = DISASTER

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Tabb
SCSI is far from affordable for anyone currently, unless your really into the hobby. I am positive WD can easliy catch up 😀 Just slap a 8MB cache,SATA-150, 8000 RPM+, quiet and I would buy it 😀

If by "affordable" you mean "cheap as sh!t" which current IDE drives are, no SCSI is not "affordable". However here's something to note: For a while Hypermicro had a deal where you, for $129, could get a 18GB 15k RPM IBM Ultra160 drive, and a free Ultra160 card (LSI, 64 bit), and free shipping. $199 would get you a 36GB drive. The drives feature a 4MB cache and a 3.4ms advertized seek time.

That's not exactly unaffordable.

 

IDE CURRENT RELIABILITY + 2800rpm increase in spindle speed = DISASTER

What the hell are you talking about Flokster, it's a freaking disaster now.
In the past three years I went through six hard drives, mostly IBM's and Western Digital's.
Yet, I still have my trusty Seagate 1.2 gigger buzzing along merrily after 6 years of use.

 

[fkloster]

Originally posted by: Roger

IDE CURRENT RELIABILITY + 2800rpm increase in spindle speed = DISASTER

What the hell are you talking about Flokster, it's a freaking disaster now.
In the past three years I went through six hard drives, mostly IBM's and Western Digital's.
Yet, I still have my trusty Seagate 1.2 gigger buzzing along merrily after 6 years of use.

I'm trying to be the more 'polite & sympathetic to IDE world' fkloster lately 😛

 

[BD231]

Originally posted by: fkloster
IDE CURRENT RELIABILITY + 2800rpm increase in spindle speed = DISASTER

Eh-hem, solid state storage anyone? 😀. I for one could care less about the speed up, more spindle speed=more heat. More heat not only means more dead drives, but it means more heat(dir), and heat is evil in the world of computers.

 

[dpopiz]

solid state storage (flash) is much slower than any current hds

 

[KGB1]

Man if this is true?
The Diamond Max series will be 10,000 RPM for the high end serial ATA (maybe 4 Meg of cache?) And REALLY NOISY, UNLESS they worked into it the Liquid Spindle technology to keep it quiet. (But you really cant shut up 10,000 RPMS)
The Fireball (old Quantum Line) will be 7,200 RPMS for the Mainstream serial ATA (most likely 2 MB cache)
The Low end (I forget the series) will be 5,400 RPM for the Budget serial ATA (NO MORE than 2MB)

Looks like Maxtor really has everthing planned out, and for a company that pushed a "dead" UDMA 133 standard this past year this is really quite good. Along with Maxtors 80 GB per platter technology, man 240 GB, 4 MB cache, Serial ATA. ALRIGHT!

Seagate Barracuda V will be 7,200 for sure, XBIT labs did a little article on it I think.
Western Digital best offering will be 7,200 RPM also.

 

[Pariah]

"And REALLY NOISY, UNLESS they worked into it the Liquid Spindle technology to keep it quiet. (But you really cant shut up 10,000 RPMS)"

The 15kRPM Cheetah 15k.3 is quieter at idle than every currently available 7200RPM ATA drive except the Seagate Barracuda line. Unless you are looking for a dead silent system, noise is not an issue with SCSI anymore.

"IDE CURRENT RELIABILITY + 2800rpm increase in spindle speed = DISASTER"

Ignoring the troll factor of the statement, the recently released Maxtor Maxline II series has SCSI like 1,000,000MTBF. No one is going to claim ATA is as reliable as SCSI, it isn't, and won't be at its current price point, but to say every drive is a disaster is ignorance at its best.

 

[Vegito]

its true.. high rpm isn't too good.. seagate invested a lot of money researching servo mechanism to reduce spindle problem with plates..

one day, rpm will never matter... maybe.. haha..

 

[zephyrprime]

solid state storage (flash) is much slower than any current hds

That's not exactly true. The fastest solid state drive I've seen can push 50mb/sec which is slower than drives but it's seek time would be measured in microseconds. And flash can easily be scaled higher.

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: Pariah

The 15kRPM Cheetah 15k.3 is quieter at idle than every currently available 7200RPM ATA drive except the Seagate Barracuda line. Unless you are looking for a dead silent system, noise is not an issue with SCSI anymore.

While I fully agree we well have the capability to make 10K RPM drives that arent excessively noisy I feel it's worth pointing out that the 15K.3K still seems to posess relatively intrusive seeks compared to most 7.2K IDE drives, at least from the comments I've seen from those that have used the drive.
Having not personally seen it I can't giive a personal opinion naturally.
Of course that's a mild complaint at best as the 15K.3 still manages to be quieter then virtually any 10-15K SCSI drive, quite the impressive acoustics.

Given cost considerations 10K IDE drive manufacturers likely won't be able to dedicate as much to keeping noise levels low as with the 15.3K of course.... still, with the lower spindle speed they won't need to.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Part of that intrusive seek noise comes from an incredibly low seek time. That head flies back and forth compared to it's run of the mill IDE counterpart.

 

[resinboy]

I have been running 2 IBM 36 LZX drives for the past year or so. Very fast system, but the noise FINALLY got to me, and I pulled both drives and installed one of the 80 gig WD 8 meg drives. MUCH quieter: I literally cannot hear the seeks when the case cover is in place.
Also, tried disconnecting 1 intake and 1 exhaust fan ( out of 4 total), and cut my cpu cooler fan down 1 notch- night and day difference.
I measured boot-up time with both set-ups: the 10K IBM's were only 8 seconds faster during boot. I have not noticed any other slow downs, including heavy Photoshop work, as well as UT2K3.
I have decided to see how serial ATA does, and what kind of speeds/ noise we get.


Resinboy

 

[Pariah]

"I feel it's worth pointing out that the 15K.3K still seems to posess relatively intrusive seeks compared to most 7.2K IDE drives, at least from the comments I've seen from those that have used the drive."

As Demon-Xanth stated, the reason for that is how they are built. The faster the head seeks, the louder the drives will be. With SCSI, the number one objective is speed, not noise, or cost. The 4 year old 7200RPM Barracuda 9LP has a faster tested access time than any ATA drive ever made. While SCSI 7200RPM drives were typically in the 10's for access time, today's ATA drives are mainly in the high 12's up into the high 14's. When ATA 10k drives hit the market they will be quieter than their SCSI counterparts simply because they won't have the industry leading seek times. While 10K SCSI drives are in the 5ms seek/8ms access time range, expect ATA drives to be closer to 7.5ms seek/10.5 access time.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Pariah
The 4 year old 7200RPM Barracuda 9LP has a faster tested access time than any ATA drive ever made.

Out of curiousity, what's thier speed and noise like? I'm getting a pair with a RAID card used and looking into a noise absorbtion scheme.