Maximum PC Article: Longhorn Videocard Requirements

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spyordie007

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If some people want a plain-vanilla GUI, it should still be an option.
Dont stress it, it will be.

They've already announced that you will be able to use the non-aero GUI if you so desire (or dont have hardware that will support it).
 

CQuinn

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Originally posted by: casper114
That's no joke right there, That's awsome. I can't wait untill they come out with it. Who knows when that will be though, Weren't they supposed to come out with it this year but they didn't because they couldn't get all kinds of critical bugs out of it?

Actually no, as I understand it, part of the reason for the delay was because they pulled so many developers off of
Longhorn to help make sure that the latest XP and Server 2003 service packs got out the door. And they've revised
the Longhorn codebase to include those changes.

 

drag

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Originally posted by: CQuinn
Originally posted by: casper114
That's no joke right there, That's awsome. I can't wait untill they come out with it. Who knows when that will be though, Weren't they supposed to come out with it this year but they didn't because they couldn't get all kinds of critical bugs out of it?

Actually no, as I understand it, part of the reason for the delay was because they pulled so many developers off of
Longhorn to help make sure that the latest XP and Server 2003 service packs got out the door. And they've revised
the Longhorn codebase to include those changes.


I told my boss last week I was realy late to work because of the unusually heavy traffic.
He almost beleived me, too.

 

bersl2

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Originally posted by: drag
Originally posted by: CQuinn
Originally posted by: casper114
That's no joke right there, That's awsome. I can't wait untill they come out with it. Who knows when that will be though, Weren't they supposed to come out with it this year but they didn't because they couldn't get all kinds of critical bugs out of it?

Actually no, as I understand it, part of the reason for the delay was because they pulled so many developers off of
Longhorn to help make sure that the latest XP and Server 2003 service packs got out the door. And they've revised
the Longhorn codebase to include those changes.


I told my boss last week I was realy late to work because of the unusually heavy traffic.
He almost beleived me, too.

Oh that's a good one! :beer:
 

CQuinn

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Originally posted by: drag

I told my boss last week I was realy late to work because of the unusually heavy traffic.
He almost beleived me, too.

My boss drives the same roads I do. He knows what our traffic is like.



 

magomago

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Originally posted by: spyordie007
Originally posted by: lxskllr
I'm pretty interested, but a little worried about how it will affect game performance. It would be nice if it could be downgraded on the fly to free up resources for intensive applications.
It *shouldnt* affect performance of 3d applications. The GUI should be switching and running one at a time (like it would if you had more than 1 hardware accelerated app open at a time right now).

Hm...but that means if you were running Aero Glass or something, and you alt tab you are giong to be greated by massive lag, because you will have to load up 256megsbytes of "texture" data or whatever this Longhorn GUI is supposed to be comprised of.

And then lets say you are the kind that like playing games in window mode....looks like you better have a 384 megabyte video cards as the base (256 for aero glass and assuming you are playing a game where you need ~90 megs of texture..obvoiusly by the time Longhorn comes out 128 megs should be standard for a card if it is not already) not because the game demands it, but because to run windows and game in window mode you'll need it!

unless all that i wrote is pure b.s.....

Either way, took me a few years to upgrade to winxp (last year), and I'll probably do the same for Longhorn...


but this immediately brings up the question...what about Laptops!!! Unless techonology improves rapidly, i forsee laptops being shipped with Aero Express at the max....
 

drag

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It's worse then you think for Areo Glass.


Areo Glass works like Linux (with it enabled) and OS X desktops: It uses compositing technics.

What it does is that it renders all the windows in a off screen buffer, converts the image to textures and then maps that textures on 3d-rendered 2d primatives.

Since all that is being done in video cards then it's going to be fairly fast.

But the sucky part is that your not going to have ANY acceleration to when your windows being initially rendered in the off screen buffer. At least for 'legacy' Win32 apps.

There is going to be no GDI/GDI+ acceleration in Areo Glass due to the composition stuff. Avalon-based apps will be very fast, they will have full acceleration due to the DCE engine... But since Avalon does exist, other then in developer previews and betas, there will be no avalon apps at the time of longhorns release and by far the majority of apps will be win32/GDI style stuff for a couple years at least.

So if you have a mega card with lots of memory the moving the windows will be fast, the special effects stuff will be nice, but when your working in a paticular window it will be much slower then it is in Windows XP. For the most part you probably won't notice it.

The windows won't have to be redrawn as you move them around and your CPU's will be much more powerfull so it's less lilkely that you'd notice the performance hit when operating in a paticular window.

The nice thing though is that all this gets put on hold when your doing full-screen 3d apps like games, so the performance for games will be OK... although you'd have serious lag as you exit the game and the video memory has to be refreshed with the 512meg or so or texture memory that will needed to be uploaded to get everything working again.

I expect most people will happily go without Full-fledged AeroGlass for a couple more years after they release longhorn, which should give laptops time ot catch up.
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: thegorx
so, we can only post how we think this is a good thing ?

Then I really have nothing to say

I don't spend my time just playing with my OS unless of course the registry database gets corrupt ..... oh wait .... that's right the OS doesn't have a utility to fix that
... silly me ....

Yeah, silly you.

The OS does have a utility to fix that; you're just too uneducated to know what it is.

Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
1. Longhorn had better have a ton of cool Ui effects.

2. Longhorn had better have a way to disable any Ui effects I don't like.

3. Longhorn had better not have all that copyright crap they were talking about.

4. Is it too much to ask for it to just work properly?
Concentrate too much effort on the special effects and frivolous crap, that you sacrifice quality in the stability and coding efficiency departments.