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Max punishment for US soldiers who allegedly abused prisoners?

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"shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

That is all the uniform code of military justice has to say about the punishment for abusing prisoners. So does that mean they can be jailed for life or executed?

What does everyone think should happen to them?
 
I think this probably goes far beyond those MP's..and I think whoever is responsible should be dealt with severely and publicly.
 
Let the new Iraqi courts try them. For the world to see.
(When they have there stuff together enough to have them)
 
Originally posted by: LordSegan
"shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

That is all the uniform code of military justice has to say about the punishment for abusing prisoners. So does that mean they can be jailed for life or executed?

What does everyone think should happen to them?
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I think they should go to jail, although I'm not sure how long they would be deserving. Surely there would be a precedent in this type of case? Also, I think the U.S. will look bad if they get off with just a slap on the wrist and it will only add to the animosity that some have shown towards the U.S.
 
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Let the new Iraqi courts try them. For the world to see.
(When they have there stuff together enough to have them)
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That is unnacceptable. It would set a dangerous precedent to allow foreigners to try US forces for acts comitted during a war.

This is far different from situations where a SOF agreement puts US forces under local jurisdiction for some crimes.
 
What is good for them is good for us right? Or just another contradiction that shows us to be the bullies we are.
 
Originally posted by: steeplerot
What is good for them is good for us right? Or just another contradiction that shows us to be the bullies we are.
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Iraq is an occupied country in a state of war. It would be unprecedented to allow the occupied to try thier occupiers. It doesn't make any sense.
 
Do you think the US courts can be trusted to throw the book at these people?
 
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Do you think the US courts can be trusted to throw the book at these people?
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They are not going to the US courts. They will be handled by the military justice system.
 
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Do you think the US courts can be trusted to throw the book at these people?
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They are not going to the US courts. They will be handled by the military justice system.
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I understand that, hence, why I originally quoted from the UMCJ.
 
Originally posted by: wkabel23
Also, I think the U.S. will look bad if they get off with just a slap on the wrist and it will only add to the animosity that some have shown towards the U.S.
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WTF? Why does this matter?
 
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: wkabel23
Also, I think the U.S. will look bad if they get off with just a slap on the wrist and it will only add to the animosity that some have shown towards the U.S.
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WTF? Why does this matter?
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It matters because an entire generation of Arabs will grow up thinking the United States is as bad as Saddam.


(Keep in mind, the truth is not what matters anymore, it is the perception of the truth. Bush wanted us to believe Saddam had WMD. Many of the Arab leaders want their people to believe the US is evil.)
 
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: wkabel23
Also, I think the U.S. will look bad if they get off with just a slap on the wrist and it will only add to the animosity that some have shown towards the U.S.
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WTF? Why does this matter?
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It matters because an entire generation of Arabs will grow up thinking the United States is as bad as Saddam.


(Keep in mind, the truth is not what matters anymore, it is the perception of the truth. Bush wanted us to believe Saddam had WMD. Many of the Arab leaders want their people to believe the US is evil.)
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fvck the truth, you really think that the average arab guy on the street that saw those abuse pictures views them differently than you do?
 
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: wkabel23
Also, I think the U.S. will look bad if they get off with just a slap on the wrist and it will only add to the animosity that some have shown towards the U.S.
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WTF? Why does this matter?
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wow, the "We're the US, we can do whatever we want!" mentality is alive and well. Theres a thing called a) the Geneva Convention and b) repurcussions. Please look them up
 
I probably haven't seen all the pictures but I think the soldiers should spend a couple years in jail. What bothers me more is the reports that military intelligence directed them to torture prisoners.
 
Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: wkabel23
Also, I think the U.S. will look bad if they get off with just a slap on the wrist and it will only add to the animosity that some have shown towards the U.S.
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WTF? Why does this matter?
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wow, the "We're the US, we can do whatever we want!" mentality is alive and well. Theres a thing called a) the Geneva Convention and b) repurcussions. Please look them up
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I guess we should execute them so the us will look good and have less animosity shown toward us?
 
Originally posted by: LordSegan
"shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

That is all the uniform code of military justice has to say about the punishment for abusing prisoners. So does that mean they can be jailed for life or executed?

What does everyone think should happen to them?
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Depends upon whether or not they were carrying out policy dictated by higher command. They, no doubt, are indictable for some violations but, mitigating the punishment if found guilty would be the 'under orders' notion.
I get the scent of CIA emanating from all this. It don't seem military at all. But, that's me.... I think most things occurring with so many participants involved must have higher authority than the first line involved.
 
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: wkabel23
Also, I think the U.S. will look bad if they get off with just a slap on the wrist and it will only add to the animosity that some have shown towards the U.S.
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WTF? Why does this matter?
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wow, the "We're the US, we can do whatever we want!" mentality is alive and well. Theres a thing called a) the Geneva Convention and b) repurcussions. Please look them up
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I guess we should execute them so the us will look good and have less animosity shown toward us?
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If one of those men were a member of your family and you discovered that "liberators" were stripping them down and sexually abusing/humiliating them, would you not want some sort of justice done?

..... oh wait, you probably see all of them as mere dogs. nevermind.
 
They will be handled under the UCMJ. There is a death penalty, but it doesn't apply for them. However, life in a federal max security prison is possible.

As far as allowing other countries to take our soldiers to criminal court, that is a command level decision. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. I highly doubt it will happen in this case. BUT it does happen, US service members go in front of Japanese ad Korean courts for crimes they are accused of in their countries, but not while part of their military duties.
 
Originally posted by: MedicBob
They will be handled under the UCMJ. There is a death penalty, but it doesn't apply for them. However, life in a federal max security prison is possible.

As far as allowing other countries to take our soldiers to criminal court, that is a command level decision. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. I highly doubt it will happen in this case. BUT it does happen, US service members go in front of Japanese ad Korean courts for crimes they are accused of in their countries, but not while part of their military duties.
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That is different. We have negotiated SOF agreements with those countries that allow that.
 
We did'nt kill them, we did'nt drag them thru the streets dead, we did'nt chop them up and we did'nt burn them yet what we did was wrong. We are talking about professonal military people. I suspect that the Platoon Leader , Btry Cmd. , Bn. Cmd. , CSM, 1st SGT, NCOIC in charge of that detail and some lower ranking soldiers will face a Court Martial. If not they should.
 
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