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DominoBoy

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Well Steely, opinions are like....... well you know. :)

Besides I never said they were perfect. No reviewer, magazine, or website is perfect. They are a very credible publication overall though.
I agree that Anand is trustworthy, and I have always said so. But Tom? Don't even get me started on Tom. If he said the sun was coming out tomorrow, I would still go outside and check for myself. ;)
 

Compellor

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NFS:

I pay $12 for a one-year, 12 issue subscription. Anyone who buys it monthly on the newsstand is getting ripped off.

Maximum PC (formally BOOT) used to be a great magazine when Andrew Sanchez was writing reviews and articles for them. Andrew was smart and not biased toward any product. If it sucked, Andrew told the truth about it. Sadly, Andrew passed away last year and then the magazine went downhill. I still get it because I like the reader mail, Watchdog section, and PC/software reviews. It's also dirt cheap.:D
 

DominoBoy

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Holy crap. Compellor and I are actually close to agreeing on something.

Feeling ..... dizzy ...... stomach is ...... upset ........ going to .....pass ...out ...... thump.
 

BFG10K

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I take it Maximum PC didn't try running any games in 16 bit colour. ;)
 

Sunner

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Well I dont read the paper version of Max PC, but based on what I've read online, they truely seem like a bunch of big time BS'ers.

Tom is very credible IMO, there was a time when he seemed very nVidia biased, but I'd say he's forgiven for that now, the last year or so his site has been very interesting.
 

DominoBoy

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Steely, that thread only proves my point. Most of the guys were simply angry because their processor of choice didn't score as high, or run as fast as they thought it should. Comments like "Their reviews suck" or "I use their magazine for toilet paper" or "That article made me sick".
It's just typical sour grapes, and a bunch of Duron fanboys, nothing more.

But regardless of that particular article or anyone's opinion, there are two things that hold true across the board.

1) The majority of people that complain are simply upset because their 'product of choice' didn't get as good of a review as they thought it should. The majority of those same people normally sing the praises of any magazine or website that gives their 'product of choice' a great review. That's a fact. (Note: I said the majority, not all.)

Case in point. Most of the people complaing about the Duron review were Duron owners. Most of the people complaining about the MX
not winning are MX/Nvidia owners. Gee, big suprise, huh? ;)

2) No matter what website, magazine, review, or article you look at, there will always be forums with threads full of people that are complaining about them, and trying to discredit them because they disagree. Nobody is immune to it. Not Anandtech, not Gamespot, not PC Gamer, not PC World, not Maximum PC, not CGW, not CNET, etc..... There are plenty of people that say the same kinds of negative things about all those sources, and every other one out there too for that matter. That's really the bottom line.
 

RobsTV

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DominoBoy
Based on the cards used, yes the Radeon should win THIS comparison.
BUT, it is like what Gore is trying to do in Florida, leave out other contenders, and only count what will help him win. In this case, other contenders are cards priced at or less than the Radeon's price of $150. This testing would then include the GeForce2 GTS and V5 5500. The AIW, and 64 MB Radeon (as Hawk mentions), as well as the GeForce2 Ultra, would not be included due to price.

These magazines are HIGHLY biased. When the V3 came out, Boot (AKA Maximum PC), ripped it a new hole, and could find nothing good about the card. Tom's also crapped all over the V3. Yet Anand's and Sharky's loved the card.

As to web reviews from sites that have a bias built-in to their name, (I.E. Rage, V3, Riva), or course these will most likely give somewhat unfair reviews, but if you look at the rest of the sites as a whole, you CAN get a good idea of how the cards compare. The only time the Radeon seems to win, is when it is compared to the low end cards, (like Maximum PC has done), or when price is factored in to the "best card" equation, and a site mistakenly thinks a GTS card costs 25%+ more than a Radeon. I do agree that a $150 Radeon IS a slightly better choice than a $200 GTS card, but even a $160 GTS card is a better choice for most hardcore gamers than a $150 Radeon, and now that you can find GTS cards for $140 range, duh... And now that a V5 5500 can be found for $135 +/-, it too is a strong contender to beat out ATI.

DominoBoy, your remarks about the Duron speak loudly. This is not even a contest. The Duron is the best thing to come along to CPU's since 3d acceleration came out on video cards. Ultra fast PIII+ performance at dirt cheap K6-2 prices. It has put inexpensive 1GHz machines into users hand well before anyone dreamed it could be done. Duron Fanboys? No such thing. None needed. This is truely a black and white subject that your beloved Maximim PC got wrong.
 

PG

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These are the same guys who said that the Celeron performed the same as a Duron.







 

StickHead

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DominoBoy:

I like how you like to rate people but you are too much of a pussy to even let others view your profile. Get lost.

Besides, I was not posting because the MX did not win and because I do not have one. I would have bytched if the MX had won because I don't see Max. PC as being the authority on any kind of Hardware based on their Celeron vs. Duron review.(on a side note, anyone how thinks a Celeron is even comparable in performance to a Duron needs to take their head out of their butt) Their is yet to be IMO a good mag. for the hardware enthusiest. Max. PC, PC Mag, PC World, ect., they are all targeted at the people who think they know everything but they are afraid to open their case.
 

Remedy

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<< More assho...err, i mean opinions >>



Hey i started that thread for a reason, if you like to pay 9 bucks for a weak ass mag that won't teach you sheet then go ahead but if you want to learn some real Hardware knowledge then hang at these forums. You want up to date news then NFS4 will take the time out to post it for us. You doods are ungrateful. All mags blow goats thats why they are dying out (PC computing the first victim).

That mag is corrupting the less knowledgable ppls brains. When MaxBS wrote that celeron verse duron article, after over 1,000 ppl read it thats over 1,000 ppl actually thinking that celeron is actually equal or better. But yet you go to basically any website except for sharky and see that the Duron is crowned king. 9 out of 10 editors will tell you that.
 

hans007

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they did a review based on $150 or less, obviously the most expensive card won. Besides the $50 rebate doesnt even work anymore.
 

DominoBoy

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Stickhead Quote. <<&quot; I like how you like to rate people but you are too much of a pussy to even let others view your profile.&quot; >>

Now now now Stickhead, there you go again getting your Nvidia panties all bunched up. And now you are calling me nasty names too? That was uncalled for. Shameful little boy. It's pretty easy to call people names while you are hiding and sniveling from behind a computer huh?

RobsTV. First of all I have a T-Bird and I am a big fan of AMD. I never said anything bad about the Duron. I never said that Maximum PC was right about that Celeron/Duron comparison either. What I said was the only reason people were upset is because their 'chip of choice' did not get as good of review/score/rating as they liked, and that people were fanboys, which is 100% correct. If certain people think the mags are crap, and claim that they don't care what they say, but then those same people bitch an moan about what the magazine said, then ............ well, don't you see the contradiction there? That's what makes them fanboys.

And besides that, I making other points with 1) and 2). That's why I made it clear and said &quot;But regardless of that particular article or anyone's opinion, there are two things that hold true across the board&quot;. BTW, points which nobody has disagreed with because they are true. You see, I am not even concerned with the actual products anymore, I was just pointing out things about human nature that are kinda funny, and that we are all guilty of sometimes. Is the Duron better than the Celeron? Of course it is. Is the Radeon better than the MX? Of course it is. I'm not arguing those issues at all. I am a GTS owner too, but I don't worship Nvidia, and certainly not some magazine or website. I was just making some seperate points that went beyond the actual cards. Ok RobsTV? No hard feelings man. :)

Remedy. Hello. No offense to your old thread. I didn't bring it up to begin with, and I was only making a point about how all magazines and websites have critics, 1) &amp; 2) above. I agree the Duron is superior to the Celeron anyday. :)

Hans007. Hello. You don't need the rebate anymore. You can find the card on sale at many places for about the same price anyway. :)

 

SteelyKen

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Remedy, you completely missed the point of my post. I had stated my opinion of Maximus BS in an earlier post and Domino said &quot;Well Steely, opinions are like....... well you know.&quot; I was just showing him their plenty others here like myself with less than peachy opinions of that mag. I do not post here often and generally just read for information. I took exception this time because I saw someone come on this board praising those mags we all see at the checkout stand. I have read them all (and have a subscription to a couple of them :)) and while there is some good information to found in any of them, they are of little use to the real pc enthusiasts here. I learned how to build computers from scouring the net for places like anandtech, soaking up everything I could. If I had been relying on PC Magazine or Maximum PC for my hardware knowledge, I would have assumed that the best pc I could possibly attain would be a Dell. I am not going to list all of the lies and half-truths I have seen that have been passed off as the pc gospel in those rags, but I hope anyone new here will realize the best information on PC hardware is found in places like this on the net. Those magazines are great for the free stuff on the cds, but don't depend on them up-to-date unbiased reporting on computers themselves.

By the way, I own neither a Duron or an Nvidia card.

Jeez, that is the longest post ever for me!
 

pidge

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I have the magazine but I haven't had the time to read that article. I sort of tend to agree. If I was building a cheap system for my little cousin or my mother, the Radeon 32MB would be the best budget video card nder $150. However, for some of the people I build systems for, the Geforce 2 MX driver support is much better than the ATI Radeon's support. Also, ATI has horrible customer service and I don't want them to come to me because ATI screwed them over. For the audience that Maximum PC targets, they made the correct choice but for Windows 2000, for workstation app compatibility, the Geforce 2 MX will be a better choice. There is no such thing as the perfect budget video card. That is why it is a budget video card.
 

MrPOOF

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I think that SteelyKen - Domino - Remedy and everyone else has some good points. The magazines have some good stuff, and they have some bad stuff too. Websites are the same way. Nobody ever agrees on everything. I think that it's crazy for people to get so emotional just because one video card is rated better in a certain review. There is no such thing as &quot;The best card for eveyone&quot;. It depends on your needs and your preference. I prefer the Radeon but someone else might prefer the Voodoo 5 and someone else the Geforce 2. They all have strenghts and weaknesses. And despite what you may think there will never be a completely up to date review including all prices, drivers and so on. Things change too quickly from week to week. The Radeon won this contest and it was fair and square. Sharky's also picked the Radeon as the best budget card. Of course now some of you will say that Sharky is wrong too I guess, hehe :)

Different cards will win different contests depending on the many variables involved. But calling each other names is crazy. They are all good cards. Be happy! :)
 

PeAK

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This is crosspost from the thread about the person who could
not see fuzzy text on his 16x12 hundred monitor. There has
been a fair amount of discussion about image quality
and frame rate as important measures in a videocard.
The best budget videocard in this thread got a rating of &quot;8&quot; on somebodies absolute scale of videocard perfection.
This thread brings out needed points when one is talking
about best at what price point, which part of the price scale,
which operating system, which games are run, which would
I recommend to my neighbour if I did not wish to be
his overnight best friend, would you pay a $60 dollar
premium on a CPU if it could get you 86% more performance?, etc, etc,
etc.

The cross-thread post below talks about the days right after
the next generation hardware in 1998 conquered the last generation
software and other video card metrics were bought back
into the fold.


Here is the link referring to the <a target=new href="http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/98q2/980427/chips-12.html#conclusion_">landmark
3D quality</a> of matrox (2D as well ) back in
1998 era. The interesting thing is that both
2D and 3D round off effects such as banding
were discussed but are forgotten in todays &quot;perfect&quot; high-end graphics reviews reviews which only mention more [l=framerate][/l]
as the primary/primary/primary arbiter in a area which breaks down
for me as


  1. 1. Get 2D right
    2. Stable drivers to run 90% of games out of the box
    3. Meet 3D performance minimums
    4. Extra 3D accuracy
    5. Last, Focus on extra DVD/VI/VO features

The above is what I would call a more balanced prioritization
of the rating metrics to be used to gauge
a modern videocard. Many in the industry are concurring.

The DVD/VI/VO become more important
as users get more sophisticated and master aspects of using
your computer as a toaster to create/archive VHS to DVD transfers of
treasured camcorder footage.

If the sales success of certain particular graphic chipsets
is any indication, 3D has been the easy sell loss leader:
One can get away with blurrier text than their competitor,
unstable driver releases that work in a few platforms,
current demands that exceed reasonable limits used in last year's
more popular motherboards, overheating, burning
hot heatsinks, $500 retail prices, rare memories,
seperately powered graphics cards AND
THE FPS COUNTER WILL STILL SELL PRODUCT
in spite of these system oversights. Who is to
blame? The benchmark mentality of the PC industry
and/or the consumer who believes too readily in
the myth of a high non-obsolescing fps benchmarking
number. My guess is that the original poster
of this thread, LSD, is barking/hallicinating :)
up the right tree and it is those

&quot;el Cheapo&quot; 16x12 monitors

( [l=link]http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=21&amp;catid=31&amp;threadid=289430[/l] )

that hide the glorious inner details but sadly
still being capable of showing the higher frame rate counter number
in the top right of the corner of the monitor.



Cheers.

 

PeAK

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