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Gordon Freemen

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Max Payne 3 only uses 29185 MB on Steam.

29185MB / 3MB/S / 60S/M / 60M/H = 2.70H

So, it probably took less than what I stated. That also doesn't take into account that I can get far higher than 3MB/S. I don't see why people are in such denial that 20MBit Internet connections aren't uncommon.
30GB takes much much longer than 3.5hrs on a 6mb/s connection probably well over 6hrs and closer to 7hrs on a consistently maxed out bandwidth of 6mb/s DL speed so @ 3mb/s you would be looking @ the very leased depending on the steam sever 12hrs minimum DL time.
 
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Gordon Freemen

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I'm surprised that people on a tech site have such a hard time with math.
How do you figure that a slow connection of 3mb/s can attain a full 30GB of data in such a short time as you claim under 4hrs is preposterous. Oh and Megabits per second Mb/s stand for "BITS" not "BYTES"
 
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Aikouka

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How do you figure that a slow connection of 3mb/s can attain a full 30GB of data in such a short time as you claim under 4hrs is preposterous. Oh and Megabits per second MB/S stand for "BITS" not "BYTES"

This makes you the second person in the last week or two to contest me on bit vs. byte. Please, read up on your facts again... this is just annoying at this point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte
The unit symbol for the byte is specified in IEC80000-13, IEEE 1541 and the Metric Interchange Format[8] as the upper-case character B.
Do note that I used 3MB/S.

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... and who the hell ever lists their download speed in bits anyway?
 

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ISPs? That's the current standard because large numbers rule. You did state MB/S, but since you improperly capitalized the s, it's hard to know if you meant byte or bits
 

Gordon Freemen

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This makes you the second person in the last week or two to contest me on bit vs. byte. Please, read up on your facts again... this is just annoying at this point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte
Do note that I used 3MB/S.

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... and who the hell ever lists their download speed in bits anyway?
Well "Mbps" or Mb/s "Bits" per second is the common way how people describe Internet connection speeds and the vast majority of people have in the range of 6 to 10 Mega "Bits" Per second internet DL speed whivh means a Max Payne 3 DL of at leased 10hr or more for most people http://www.speedtest.net/results.php?source=compare
http://speedmatters.org/content/internet-speed-report
 

Fire&Blood

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I don't get what the issue is here. At the speed he mentioned, assuming the average speed was near it, it could be pulled down in less than 3 hours.

Granted, the MP3 download via Steam was slower for me, took nearly 6 hours but connections that can pull ~10 GB per hour or more are quite common in the US.
 

Gordon Freemen

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I don't get what the issue is here. At the speed he mentioned, assuming the average speed was near it, it could be pulled down in less than 3 hours.

Granted, the MP3 download via Steam was slower for me, took nearly 6 hours but connections that can pull ~10 GB per hour or more are quite common in the US.
http://speedmatters.org/content/internet-speed-report
and the GLOBAL Average is just over 10 mbps as in BITS per second not BYTES
 

Fire&Blood

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Thank you for the 2010 internet speed report. FYI, I live in Missouri, which is known to be a step behind the rest of the country, over here we don't have FIOS. My ISP is Charter, a local cable company. Since 2010, they doubled the speeds of their packages. http://charter.com/

And even if that chart was accurate/relevant, there is no reason to doubt the speed he claimed, it's quite modest compared to top tier residential connections avaliable, especially on the east coast. Hell, even LTE phones can pull these speeds. Monthly bandwidth allowance is an entirely different topic...
 

Aikouka

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@Aikouka

ISPs? That's the current standard because large numbers rule. You did state MB/S, but since you improperly capitalized the s, it's hard to know if you meant byte or bits

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Well "Mbps" or Mb/s "Bits" per second is the common way how people describe Internet connection speeds and the vast majority of people have in the range of 6 to 10 Mega "Bits" Per second internet DL speed whivh means a Max Payne 3 DL of at leased 10hr or more for most people http://www.speedtest.net/results.php?source=compare
http://speedmatters.org/content/internet-speed-report

We're getting vastly off-topic here, but to me, people normally discuss their overall connection rate in either bps or Bps. ISPs advertise in bps, and then attempt to confuse people less by stating how fast a song or video will download. When people normally talk about how fast they download something, that's usually in Bps. I've never had someone tell me, "I downloaded that file at 20Mbps!" No one thinks of files in bits but rather bytes. That's also mostly because almost all software talks about Bps. Although, I recall seeing "Cps" in the past, which based on a little Googling should stand for characters per second. Based on the ANSII standard, that would be the same as Bps (1 character = 1 byte).

I believe I capitalized the other abbreviations (S and H) to make them a bit more visible. Although, hours tends to be an odd one. As a software person, APIs tend to use 'h' and 'H' to refer to 12-hour and 24-hour (respectively) in time APIs.

You can see an example of that here:
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/api/java/text/SimpleDateFormat.html

Although, in there 'S' is millisecond... that'd be one helluva Internet connection if I kept with that abbreviation. :p
 

Gordon Freemen

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Thank you for the 2010 internet speed report. FYI, I live in Missouri, which is known to be a step behind the rest of the country, over here we don't have FIOS. My ISP is Charter, a local cable company. Since 2010, they doubled the speeds of their packages. http://charter.com/

And even if that chart was accurate/relevant, there is no reason to doubt the speed he claimed, it's quite modest compared to top tier residential connections avaliable, especially on the east coast. Hell, even LTE phones can pull these speeds. Monthly bandwidth allowance is an entirely different topic...
Not doubting anyone's claimed Speeds just stating not everybody and most people DO NOT have a hot rod super connection speed which means DLing a 30GB game/file is a big deal.
 

Gordon Freemen

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We're getting vastly off-topic here, but to me, people normally discuss their overall connection rate in either bps or Bps. ISPs advertise in bps, and then attempt to confuse people less by stating how fast a song or video will download. When people normally talk about how fast they download something, that's usually in Bps. I've never had someone tell me, "I downloaded that file at 20Mbps!" No one thinks of files in bits but rather bytes. That's also mostly because almost all software talks about Bps. Although, I recall seeing "Cps" in the past, which based on a little Googling should stand for characters per second. Based on the ANSII standard, that would be the same as Bps (1 character = 1 byte).

I believe I capitalized the other abbreviations (S and H) to make them a bit more visible. Although, hours tends to be an odd one. As a software person, APIs tend to use 'h' and 'H' to refer to 12-hour and 24-hour (respectively) in time APIs.

You can see an example of that here:
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/api/java/text/SimpleDateFormat.html

Although, in there 'S' is millisecond... that'd be one helluva Internet connection if I kept with that abbreviation. :p
At any rate MP3 will take an astronomical amount of bandwidth and time to DL for most people with an average Internet connection is all my point was and just because for you it might take 5hrs for most others it will take much much longer.
 

Gordon Freemen

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Thank you for the 2010 internet speed report. FYI, I live in Missouri, which is known to be a step behind the rest of the country, over here we don't have FIOS. My ISP is Charter, a local cable company. Since 2010, they doubled the speeds of their packages. http://charter.com/

And even if that chart was accurate/relevant, there is no reason to doubt the speed he claimed, it's quite modest compared to top tier residential connections avaliable, especially on the east coast. Hell, even LTE phones can pull these speeds. Monthly bandwidth allowance is an entirely different topic...
Here's one that's current up to this minute actually Speedtest.net claims just over 10mbps BITS per second as a global average today.
 

Fire&Blood

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Either way, will try to steer back on topic.

I guess ~1/2 of the game is cut scenes but AAA titles will creep up to MP3 file size soon. Some hi res texture packs alone are as big as last year's AAA titles and that trend isn't going away anytime soon. IMO, that's a good thing. While it's easy to bloat the game with little or no benefit to the consumer, it's also true that graphics can't advance and games can't provide more content without becoming bigger than what they were yesterday. Yes, longer download times are bad and hitting the monthly bandwidth cap is an issue but I don't think finger should be pointed at the game studios.

Again, a large portion of MP3 is cut scenes but the game wouldn't be what it is if it was half the size.
 

Gordon Freemen

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Either way, will try to steer back on topic.

I guess ~1/2 of the game is cut scenes but AAA titles will creep up to MP3 file size soon. Some hi res texture packs alone are as big as last year's AAA titles and that trend isn't going away anytime soon. IMO, that's a good thing. While it's easy to bloat the game with little or no benefit to the consumer, it's also true that graphics can't advance and games can't provide more content without becoming bigger than what they were yesterday. Yes, longer download times are bad and hitting the monthly bandwidth cap is an issue but I don't think finger should be pointed at the game studios.

Again, a large portion of MP3 is cut scenes but the game wouldn't be what it is if it was half the size.
Or you can just admit defeat like a man. At any rate MP3 is a huge DL by any terms you try and justify it for example many cut scenes ect so it will take the "Average" user with average non exorbitant Internet connection a long time to DL which sucks and why I am suggesting that MP3 is defiantly worth a Box copy purchase unless that is you are part of the very small percentile whom are in a privileged ownership of a Multi Mega "BYTE" per second connection speeds.
 

gorcorps

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Max Payne 3 only uses 29185 MB on Steam.

29185MB / 3MB/S / 60S/M / 60M/H = 2.70H

So, it probably took less than what I stated. That also doesn't take into account that I can get far higher than 3MB/S. I don't see why people are in such denial that 20MBit Internet connections aren't uncommon.

I don't see why you're in such denial that many people CAN'T get those speeds. Best I can get with my connection is 768KBps, and that's the best ISP I can get right now where I'm living. Where I was living before I could actually get up to a 12Mbit connection, but that was it. I'm not in the sticks... that's just how it is for a lot of people still for one reason or another.
 

Fire&Blood

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Admit defeat? Not aware that I was in a fight to begin with.

Allow me to clarify that I wasn't happy about waiting 6 hours for it to download, nor am I happy about having to count how much bandwidth I used up in the current billing cycle.

Yes, a 30 min round trip to a store for a hard copy>6 hours of Steam download. However, Steam allowed me to start and ultimately finish the download before I would have even be able to pick up a hard copy from a store.

You may see a scapegoat in MP3 but it's just the first in the line of many that are coming up. To me, bigger game files=progress.

For me, a new title worth spending $60 means play it ASAP and Steam with their pre download policy and midnite on the dot launch is the shortest path to double clicking the launch icon as opposed to a 8 am at the earliest store pick up.

I don't think a discussion about how long a download takes for the average users is a productive one.

I have 0 reasons to justify anything to anyone, I'm not a Rockstar employee nor a shareholder. I simply agree that nowadays 20Mb connections are more common than they were in the past.

Games are getting bigger and will eventually move to BR media, so pick your poison if you want to complain about download times/ISP caps or about DVD players getting on the obsolete train. Or complain about both.
 
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Dankk

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I have a 12 megabit (1.5 megabyte) internet connection, Max Payne 3 took a lofty five or six hours to download. Definitely the biggest game I have.

I don't really mind though. I just spent last Sunday afternoon hanging around the house and shooting the shit while waiting for it to download. Later that evening I got in and played.

Centurylink, my ISP, doesn't have any explicit bandwidth restrictions that I know of, so I don't worry about it. I've used a TON of data in short amounts of time before and they've never given me any notices so whatever. I'll easily use another 30GB by the end of the week.
 

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I have a 12 megabit (1.5 megabyte) internet connection, Max Payne 3 took a lofty five or six hours to download. Definitely the biggest game I have.

I don't really mind though. I just spent last Sunday afternoon hanging around the house and shooting the shit while waiting for it to download. Later that evening I got in and played.

Centurylink, my ISP, doesn't have any explicit bandwidth restrictions that I know of, so I don't worry about it. I've used a TON of data in short amounts of time before and they've never given me any notices so whatever. I'll easily use another 30GB by the end of the week.
Out of interest, what is "shooting the shit"?
 

Aikouka

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I don't see why you're in such denial that many people CAN'T get those speeds. Best I can get with my connection is 768KBps, and that's the best ISP I can get right now where I'm living. Where I was living before I could actually get up to a 12Mbit connection, but that was it. I'm not in the sticks... that's just how it is for a lot of people still for one reason or another.

When did I say anything about there being no such thing as a slow Internet connection? That's not even what this whole off-topic conversation is about! I posted my experience while downloading Max Payne 3, and someone called into question my Internet speed. This is the second time this has happened within the past few weeks, and it's rather annoying.

I mean yeesh... all I did was start up the download through the mobile client while at work. :|
 

Molondo

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I'm a big fan of the series, but 60$ is a bit too much to give up right now. Hopefully summer sale will bring it down a few %
 

Gordon Freemen

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Admit defeat? Not aware that I was in a fight to begin with.

Allow me to clarify that I wasn't happy about waiting 6 hours for it to download, nor am I happy about having to count how much bandwidth I used up in the current billing cycle.

Yes, a 30 min round trip to a store for a hard copy>6 hours of Steam download. However, Steam allowed me to start and ultimately finish the download before I would have even be able to pick up a hard copy from a store.

You may see a scapegoat in MP3 but it's just the first in the line of many that are coming up. To me, bigger game files=progress.

For me, a new title worth spending $60 means play it ASAP and Steam with their pre download policy and midnite on the dot launch is the shortest path to double clicking the launch icon as opposed to a 8 am at the earliest store pick up.

I don't think a discussion about how long a download takes for the average users is a productive one.

I have 0 reasons to justify anything to anyone, I'm not a Rockstar employee nor a shareholder. I simply agree that nowadays 20Mb connections are more common than they were in the past.

Games are getting bigger and will eventually move to BR media, so pick your poison if you want to complain about download times/ISP caps or about DVD players getting on the obsolete train. Or complain about both.
Sorry mate that message about "admiting defeat like a man" was not intended for you rather I made a mistake and posted you instead of "Aikouka" whom is where this debate was started from so my bad.
 

Gordon Freemen

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I'm a big fan of the series, but 60$ is a bit too much to give up right now. Hopefully summer sale will bring it down a few %
I hear you bro $60 for 10 to 12hrs of gameplay/Campaign is ridiculous to me as well for I can spend that same money on the likes of Guild Wars 2 and receive potentially 100s of hrs of solid Gameplay.