sourceninja
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I hate everything he is saying/showing in his videos, BUT I will defend his right to do it. As long as everyone was consenting and knew full well what was going to happen.
that is ridiculous. You can buy movies that show people actually dieing. Horrifically. Hopefully he is able to get an appeal in and this "activist" (to steal a term from the rightwingers) judge is disbarred and thrown off the bench.
He is fucking with the first amendment.
SphinxnihpS
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YES FLORIDA ADDS ANOTHER VICTIM TO THE LIST!
lol, Mike Diana also only drew pictures, so you know this guy was fucked going in... old people suck
lol, Mike Diana also only drew pictures, so you know this guy was fucked going in... old people suck
AstroManLuca
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And I'd say Max's fame in the porn world pretty much destroys any chance of claiming he tricked anyone into doing worse stuff than they expected.
DrPizza
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If someone wanted to commit suicide & signed consent forms allowing someone to shoot them and videotape it, it certainly isn't "free speech." (going for the obvious extreme) WTF makes someone think that anything you film automatically falls under free speech?
HardcoreRobot
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why would that not be free speech? if both parties agree to it, where is the victim? what are we punishing for? because 3rd parties don't like it? MYOB IMO
Raduque
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Yep, when somebody is "offended", it suddenly becomes "not free speech". Personally, I think "morality legislature" like Obscenity Laws are obscene and offensive - why can't the idiots who created these laws be tried for obscenity and thrown in jail?
Stupid, stupid FBI! Federal Bullshit Investigators - you heard me Carnivore!
But, overall this means nothing to the porn industry. There's be a new site tomorrow, and it'll be outside of America - and then the FBI can't do jack shit.
SagaLore
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Explain to us how it has to do with any kind of speech?
Free speech protects people's rights to express themselves without censorship of the government.
Porn of any type is not an expression of ideas. It is an act. Someone is paid to perform the act. Someone else pays to watch the act. The issue here is not that anybody was stopped from performing said acts, but that people are stopped from viewing it, for the same reason we have plenty of indecent public exposure laws, or laws criminalizing prostitution, etc.
Now, if you really want to push this as a free speech issue, then you wouldn't have a problem if only audio versions of the acts were on the site? Or maybe a written transcript? :roll:
Why are people talking about free speech at all?
These films were made in Europe for the European market. They were not intended for the US market as they would not pass obscenity standards.
Max got screwed over, whether you like him and his product or not. The most bizarre thing was that the distributor continued to make these available in the US while the trial was going on.
These films were made in Europe for the European market. They were not intended for the US market as they would not pass obscenity standards.
Max got screwed over, whether you like him and his product or not. The most bizarre thing was that the distributor continued to make these available in the US while the trial was going on.
jonks
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Roll your eyes all you like, your definition of free speech is horrendously narrow, and your comparison to prostitution is misplaced. I don't have a first amendment right to shoot someone even if that is an "expression" of my ideas. You bring up indecent exposure laws, but did you know that nudity as part of protests has been ruled as protected speech by the Supreme Court if such nudity is related to the issue being protested?
As to your claim that pornography isn't free speech because there is no idea being expressed, what if a mainstream film featured fully exposed sexual acts...the whole film has forfeited it's free speech protection? What if there are 5 such scenes in the film? Where does it cease being art and become pornography, or can pornography never be considered art? The government should not and does not get to make that distinction.
You also seem hung up on the money aspect of free speech, but a journalist is paid to write newspaper articles which are then paid for by customers, so I'm not sure how you are tying that in to this discussion.
HardcoreRobot
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You really think film is not a valid medium for expression of ideas? Or does it depend on what is filmed? The latter is censorship, any way you look at it. All that matters is all the parties involved, from the producer to actors to the viewers explicitly gave consent and it is no one's business to tell them otherwise.
Sad day for America!Isn't freedom of expression the same thing as freedom of speech? When a dissenter writes an unpopular editorial, even though, it is "written" and not really a speech, isn't this also a form of freedom of "speech"?
Conversely, just because a person is allowed to make speeches, doesn't mean this freedom of speech is not trampled on. For instance, human rights protesters who are arrested and isolated from the world do not have freedom of speech. Yes, they can make all the speeches they want in their jail cells, however, without journalists to capture their side of the story, they are effectively muffled.
Pron is a type of expression. One mans pron is another man's art. One group of people should not dictate to another their views on what is a "act and what is not"... Ultimately, if you really think about it, everything is an act.
AstroManLuca
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Grotesque violence offends me more than pornography. Why are movies like the Saw series allowed but porn is often attacked for being obscene?
I rather see grotesque violance. I find shit like this the most distrubing and sickest thing. I would rather see a pool of blood and dead bodies than a cup of vomit.
Dr. Detroit
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