Matt's health thread

[manlymatt83]

Hi all.

Its a frustrating night for me tonight with this subject, so I'm hoping some fellow ATOTers can shed some light on all of this....

Three years ago, I started having high blood pressure (out of no where). I went to a nephrologist (kidney doctor), and he told me I should go on some medicine and start losing weight. Well, I kept gaining weight, and he put me on this one medicine. Then I was good for a little while, until he realized my pulse had all of a sudden started being over 100+ all the time (even though BP was fine). So he put me on this other medicine.

I've had EVERY test known to man done, and NOTHING has come back with any thing .... heart monitor, BP monitor, every blood test, every single test known to man .... all come back normal.

So anyway, about 6 months ago I started going to the gym. I dropped about 40 pounds total, 30 since I've been "counting"). I was 260 at one point, now as of now I'm 219... so about 41 pounds. I run three times a day, yet my health hasn't gotten better. My pulse still races!

Last time I had a doctors appointment, my doctor was telling me to go on a beta blocker. From what I understand, once you're on this, you're on this for good. And also, I already have "problems" (if you guys know what I mean), and apparently this medicine could make that even worse.

I'm 22... and this is driving me nuts I've already gotten second opinions, and I'm tired of worrying about all of this.


So the big question remains.....

What would you do?

 

[LcarsSystem]

Post pics of the girl in your other thread.

 

[manlymatt83]

Oh common.... seriously...

 

[EngenZerO]

maybe banging the girl will relieve the stress and high bp...

 

[yobarman]

this is me caring

 

[manlymatt83]

I'm gonna bang the girl! That's besides the point. I wanna know what you people would do if you were in my situation.

 

[theeedude]

Stop going to the doctor. Ignore the problem and it will just go away.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

 

[Pepsi90919]

And also, I already have "problems" (if you guys know what I mean),

no, i don't.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?

And I eat healthy And I drink a lot of water I do all of this.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?

And I eat healthy And I drink a lot of water I do all of this.

actually, no, it's not for a marathon runner. that's like the pre-warm up.

 

[necine]

I wouldnt take the pills. Screw that.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?

And I eat healthy And I drink a lot of water I do all of this.

actually, no, it's not for a marathon runner. that's like the pre-warm up.

hmmm.........

So I guess I should increase it a little bit? How in shape does one need to be before their pulse naturally drops? Could my out of shapeness be causing my high pulse?

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak
I wanna know what you people would do if you were in my situation.

I'd tell you what I would do if I were you, but I don't want to get banned.

 

[ironcrotch]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?

And I eat healthy And I drink a lot of water I do all of this.

i would vary your workout. my buddy has been doing the routine from http://www.crossfit.com with me and he's lost a ton of weight and is healthier than ever.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?

And I eat healthy And I drink a lot of water I do all of this.

actually, no, it's not for a marathon runner. that's like the pre-warm up.

hmmm.........

So I guess I should increase it a little bit? How in shape does one need to be before their pulse naturally drops? Could my out of shapeness be causing my high pulse?

Yes you should be running at LEAST five times a day... get with the program.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: mjuszczak
I wanna know what you people would do if you were in my situation.

I'd tell you what I would do if I were you, but I don't want to get banned.

PM me.

 

[psteng19]

Well, I asked you a couple of questions in your other thread and even PM'd you, but did not get a reply so....

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Well, I asked you a couple of questions in your other thread and even PM'd you, but did not get a reply so....

???

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: psteng19
Well, I asked you a couple of questions in your other thread and even PM'd you, but did not get a reply so....

???

What I meant by this is .... what do you mean by you PM'd me? I never got any PM's from you... can you re send them

 

[dug777]

hit it!

 

[LiquidImpulse]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?

And I eat healthy And I drink a lot of water I do all of this.

actually, no, it's not for a marathon runner. that's like the pre-warm up.

hmmm.........

So I guess I should increase it a little bit? How in shape does one need to be before their pulse naturally drops? Could my out of shapeness be causing my high pulse?

so the gym experts say , basically, if you want to gradually improve your pulse, you are going to have to increment the intensity of your workouts, just like body building. you cant expect to have huge muscles if you've lifted only 100lbs every day. You've got to increase it, 110,120,130....you get my drift.
Which also brings me to a slight concern, if you have been running 3 miles a day, eating healthily, and drinking lots of water, you should at least see some slight improvement in your overall fitness. Could it be a medical condition?

 

[TraumaRN]

First a little background on the types of hypertension,

ETIOLOGY/RISK FACTORS ? The etiology/risk factors of essential (idiopathic or primary) hypertension and secondary hypertension (due to a known cause) differ.

Essential hypertension ? Essential hypertension has been associated with a number of risk factors:

Hypertension is about twice as common in subjects who have one or two hypertensive parents and multiple epidemiologic studies suggest that genetic factors account for
approximately 30 percent of the variation in blood pressure in various populations [12].
Evidence for a relationship between sodium intake and essential hypertension continues to mount. It is likely that increased salt intake is a necessary but not sufficient cause for hypertension.
Multiple studies show a clear association between excess alcohol intake and the development of hypertension.
When hypertensive patients are compared to normals, one of the major differences is an increased prevalence of obesity [13]. Furthermore, weight gain appears to be a main determinant of the rise in blood pressure (BP) that is commonly seen with aging [14].
Hypertension tends to be both more common and more severe in blacks. (See
Hypertension may be related to reduced adult nephron mass, which may be related to genetic factors, intrauterine developmental disturbance (eg, hypoxia, drugs, nutritional deficiency), and post-natal environment (eg, malnutrition, infections).
Hypertension may be more common among those with certain personality traits, such as hostile attitudes and time urgency/impatience [15].


Secondary hypertension ? A number of disorders may be associated with secondary hypertension.
Primary renal disease ? Hypertension is a frequent finding in both acute and chronic renal disease, particularly with glomerular or vascular disorders.
Oral contraceptives ? Oral contraceptives often raise the blood pressure within the normal range but can induce overt hypertension. (
Pheochromocytoma ? About one-half of patients with pheochromocytoma have paroxysmal hypertension, most of the rest have what appears to be essential hypertension.
Primary hyperaldosteronism ? The presence of primary mineralocorticoid excess, primarily aldosterone, should be suspected in any patient with the triad of hypertension, unexplained hypokalemia, and metabolic alkalosis. Some patients have a normal plasma potassium concentration.
Renovascular disease ? Renovascular disease is an important correctable cause of secondary hypertension. The frequency with which it occurs is variable.
Cushing's syndrome ? Moderate diastolic hypertension is a major cause of morbidity and death in patients with Cushing's syndrome.
Other endocrine disorders ? Hypertension may be induced by both hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, and hyperparathyroidism.
Sleep apnea syndrome ? Disordered breathing during sleep appears to be an independent risk factor for awake systemic hypertension.
Coarctation of the aorta ? Coarctation of the aorta is one of the major causes of hypertension in young children [6].

and secondly some info about how much exercise can reduce your BP,

INTRODUCTION ? Long-term aerobic exercise regimens have in most studies had a beneficial effect on the systemic blood pressure (BP) [1-10]. During exercise, however, there is an appropriate elevation in BP, primarily systolic; some subjects have an exaggerated increase in BP during exercise, which may be an adverse prognostic sign

EFFICACY ? The institution of a regular aerobic exercise regimen can, within four weeks, lower the BP by as much as 5 to 15 mmHg in patients with essential hypertension [1,2,4-6], with mean reductions of 4 to 5/3 to 5 mmHg in all randomized, controlled trials [8]. Swimming training also can have a beneficial effect, lowering the systolic blood pressure by 6 mmHg in one report [11]. It may be particularly useful in patients with orthopedic problems or, because of the warm, humid environment, those with bronchospasm.

A similar fall in BP has been demonstrated in subjects with borderline hypertension, with the BP often being lowered into the clearly normal range [12]. In comparison, the incidence of hypertension is increased in individuals with a low level of fitness [3].

The hypotensive response to exercise is dependent upon continuation of the exercise program, as detraining is associated with an elevation in BP toward the preexercise level [12]. It is interesting to note that, in addition to voluntary exercise, spontaneous physical activity (fidgeting) is another potentially important source (100 to 800 kcal/day) of energy expenditure [13].

With few exceptions, most studies have shown a persistent fall in blood pressure that is more dependent upon the intensity of exercise than on its frequency. In a study of 207 untreated hypertensive patients, those who exercised for eight weeks at an intensity of 50 percent of estimated maximal oxygen consumption only two times a week for a total of 60 minutes had almost as much fall in blood pressure (about 12/6 mmHg) as those who exercised more than five times a week for a total of more than 120 minutes [14]. In addition, adult women who exercised at least one hour per week had only one-half the incidence of coronary artery disease than those who were sedentary [15].

So first off exercise may not lower your BP as much as you may think and secondly it depends on the type of hypertension you have as far as your treatment goes. It would benefit you greatly to make sure you ask questions of your doctor, why are you putting me on this drug, what kind of hypertension do i have, what things can i do to reduce BP besides meds and exercise etc.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak
I'm gonna bang the girl! That's besides the point. I wanna know what you people would do if you were in my situation.

Well, I probably would have started making moves at some point when she and I started showering together and sleeping in the same bed. But it's too late for that now.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: mjuszczak

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy !

Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?

And I eat healthy And I drink a lot of water I do all of this.

No.

Running distance is a 'low level exercise'. Yes it is hard cardio wise but it is low level.

Have you tried running intervals?

Sprint 30m, then slow down 'gradually' this can take up to 50-80m past the 30m mark. Then walk back to the start and sprint again. Repeat for 5 lengths and rest 3minutes. Repeat so you complete this 'set' 3x.

Warm up properly of course.

Your HR SHOULD have dropped. How long have you been doing the running and healthier eating? 6months yet?

Try swimming and see if that helps you out?

Koing