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Hayabusa Rider said:
At this point in time I don't think Franken should do anything. There have been accusations which have been refuted by Arianna Huffington and I think the women can speak for themselves. Franken called for an ethics investigation straight off while Trump apparently altered his reality once again such that what he admitted as real commentary caught on film, the infamous "pussy" comment is not a fraud. Moore has been shown to be the despicable pedophile fraud that he is and so I don't see everything in black in white. Now if it were to come out in the investigation that Franken was another Trump or Moore? Then the question of what to do is settled with removal.
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Yes, if you switched Roy Moore and Al Franken's names in their respective accusations I would want Franken removed from the Senate immediately. In addition, if people decide they don't want to vote for Franken over these accusations that makes perfect sense to me.

As for Trump, I can't figure out what is worse. Is he suffering from dementia where he genuinely doesn't remember that he admitted it was him in the past? Is he so mentally ill that he's since convinced himself reality is different and it wasn't him? Is he simply making more bald faced lies about himself because he thinks he can get away with it? All the possible answers are scary.
 
fskimospy said:
As for Trump, I can't figure out what is worse. Is he suffering from dementia where he genuinely doesn't remember that he admitted it was him in the past? Is he so mentally ill that he's since convinced himself reality is different and it wasn't him? Is he simply making more bald faced lies about himself because he thinks he can get away with it? All the possible answers are scary.
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I honestly don't understand these kinds of questions. The truth has no meaning to Trump. He's just a narcissist that says whatever he wants at all times. I don't mean to single you out, I see constantly see these kinds of questions about the intent or meaning of what Trump says, and I can't understand the refusal to just accept that nothing he says has any meaning at all. Most of the shit he says is just repeating what he saw on Fox news or what someone told him (famously, often the last person he talked to).
 
Blackjack200 said:
I honestly don't understand these kinds of questions. The truth has no meaning to Trump. He's just a narcissist that says whatever he wants at all times. I don't mean to single you out, I see constantly see these kinds of questions about the intent or meaning of what Trump says, and I can't understand the refusal to just accept that nothing he says has any meaning at all. Most of the shit he says is just repeating what he saw on Fox news or what someone told him (famously, often the last person he talked to).
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Trump pushes his own reality when actual reality doesn't suit him. The problem his the followers latch on and push the bullshit further. We now life in a world where even facts can't be agreed upon. Facts are whatever Trump says they are and the faithful don't question any of it.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Trump pushes his own reality when actual reality doesn't suit him. The problem his the followers latch on and push the bullshit further. We now life in a world where even facts can't be agreed upon. Facts are whatever Trump says they are and the faithful don't question any of it.
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Okay, what is the value in parsing what Trump says? His followers are another issue, we probably disagree on how to deal with them, but I hope nobody really believes that getting rid of Trump will do anything to control the wrath of his supporters.
 
I really hope these companies/people have some actual proof before firing people for accusations like these. I'm sure they do, more than just a woman's word for it. The whole innocent until proven guilty thing.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I really hope these companies/people have some actual proof before firing people for accusations like these. I'm sure they do, more than just a woman's word for it. The whole innocent until proven guilty thing.
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That's a weird concern to have when it seems like all the high profile cases have involved organizations underreacted to allegations rather than overreacting. Lauer just signed a huge contract, he would certainly sue if NBC tried to fire him over specious allegations, why is your first concern that we might believe a woman FFS?
 
interchange said:
That's such bullshit. Due process is for courts of law. We are not holding these people criminally or civilly liable. The whole notion of smaller government rests on the public holding other members of the public accountable by way of their votes, their dollars, their protests, etc. That is exactly what the public needs to be doing more.
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Yes, and his position means that any accusations which are made after criminal and civil statutes of limitation have run, and which will therefore never be tested in court, must be presumed false by the voting public, no matter how credible or well corroborated the accusations are.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Okay, what is the value in parsing what Trump says? His followers are another issue, we probably disagree on how to deal with them, but I hope nobody really believes that getting rid of Trump will do anything to control the wrath of his supporters.
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At this point his supporters are the least concern. The government doesn't know what he believes and what he doesn't. They don't know what to act on what comes out of his mouth. The more this goes on the further into his own mind he appears to be descending. How do you operate with someone in control who seems to have developed their own reality? How do you advise that person on anything?
 
1prophet said:
This has nothing to do with principles, it's the blow back that liberal/democrats are experiencing from painting themselves in a corner by being the defacto champion of women's rights all these years and now it comes out how they were looking the other way when high powered democrat fundraisers like Weinstein were ejaculating in potted plants while holding women hostage to their sexual perversions for decades,

This is no different than the conservative/republicans tripping all over their so called family/religious/marriage values they preach to the world and try to legislate into law while cheating on their wives or having a gay affair with some boy in a hotel or chasing jail bait in the Alabama shopping malls.
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But unlike Fox News where it took multiple lawsuits and an internal investigation to get rid of Ailes and O'Reilly NBC seems to have higher standards. Even after the fact Fox barely talked about it.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Yes, and his position means that any accusations which are made after criminal and civil statutes of limitation have run, and which will therefore never be tested in court, must be presumed false by the voting public, no matter how credible or well corroborated the accusations are.
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Hmmm, it does not seem that they practise what they preach given the "lock her up" outcries that are ongoing to this day whenever the toddler in chief makes a complete fool out of himself (which is a daily occurrence).
 
MomentsofSanity said:
At this point his supporters are the least concern. The government doesn't know what he believes and what he doesn't. They don't know what to act on what comes out of his mouth. The more this goes on the further into his own mind he appears to be descending. How do you operate with someone in control who seems to have developed their own reality? How do you advise that person on anything?
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From the perspective of an outsider, it doesn't seem like American policies or official behavior has changed much at all. That's after a year of Trump at the helm, so that doesn't seem to be much of an issue.
 
1prophet said:
This has nothing to do with principles, it's the blow back that liberal/democrats are experiencing from painting themselves in a corner by being the defacto champion of women's rights all these years and now it comes out how they were looking the other way when high powered democrat fundraisers like Weinstein were ejaculating in potted plants while holding women hostage to their sexual perversions for decades,

This is no different than the conservative/republicans tripping all over their so called family/religious/marriage values they preach to the world and try to legislate into law while cheating on their wives or having a gay affair with some boy in a hotel or chasing jail bait in the Alabama shopping malls.
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First of all, stop using the word "liberal" since you clearly have no idea what it means.

Second, it is GOOD that there is a blowback, this is the actual idea of women's rights being actualized and every single liberal is very happy about that. No matter who is going down for that type of behaviour it is a great thing to have happen in ANY free society.
 
Blackjack200 said:
I honestly don't understand these kinds of questions. The truth has no meaning to Trump. He's just a narcissist that says whatever he wants at all times. I don't mean to single you out, I see constantly see these kinds of questions about the intent or meaning of what Trump says, and I can't understand the refusal to just accept that nothing he says has any meaning at all. Most of the shit he says is just repeating what he saw on Fox news or what someone told him (famously, often the last person he talked to).
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Agreed. Other than personal power, personal fame and personal wealth, he doesn't appear to have any core values.
 
Blackjack200 said:
I honestly don't understand these kinds of questions. The truth has no meaning to Trump. He's just a narcissist that says whatever he wants at all times. I don't mean to single you out, I see constantly see these kinds of questions about the intent or meaning of what Trump says, and I can't understand the refusal to just accept that nothing he says has any meaning at all. Most of the shit he says is just repeating what he saw on Fox news or what someone told him (famously, often the last person he talked to).
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It was kind of rhetorical. In many ways the answer is irrelevant as any one of them is grounds for removal in my opinion.
 
Blackjack200 said:
From the perspective of an outsider, it doesn't seem like American policies or official behavior has changed much at all. That's after a year of Trump at the helm, so that doesn't seem to be much of an issue.
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Still under Obama's budget and Trump hasn't gotten any of the things he wanted to do done yet apart from lifting sanctions on Russia (and refusing to institute the sanctions that he signed into law while increasing trade with Russia).

The only thing that has changed is that the USA is now the biggest joke on earth.
 
interchange said:
That's such bullshit. Due process is for courts of law. We are not holding these people criminally or civilly liable. The whole notion of smaller government rests on the public holding other members of the public accountable by way of their votes, their dollars, their protests, etc. That is exactly what the public needs to be doing more.
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Matt Lauer is not an elected official. Neither is Weinstein.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
No whataboutism allowed. You advocated for taking principles stances. This is a binary response.
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It most certainly is not a binary response as my principles do not say that any person who has ever committed any sexual misconduct whatsoever is unfit to serve in the Senate and I don't see how any reasonable person could think that from what I've written. My principles do say that people who molest children should not serve in the Senate, however. If Franken has done such a thing I believe he should immediately resign or be expelled. Similarly, if Roy Moore had groped a few women in his life I would not think that he was immediately disqualified from service on that point alone. (then we would just go on to the nine or so other reasons he should be disqualified)
 
J.Wilkins said:
No it isn't. Unless you are saying that all wrongdoings are equal.
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Not all wrongdoings are equal. But, if you are contending we should hold people accountable out of principle, then you also have to accept some small fish casualties going after the big fish. What I see are a growing number of dead small fish while the big fish continue to roam the seas.
 
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