What really bugs me about this card, is the price. An awful thought has just struck my head... this 256MB DDR video card is going to cost an arm and a leg. I'm thinking of figures in the $600 range at least. 512-bit GPU, 40-bit color, DX9 support, 256-bit memory interface. That's over $500 for sure. I can't recall Matrox ever made a card in this price range.
LOL.... did you just say "I can't recall Matrox ever made a card in this price range. ".... What have you been smoking?
Matrox is known for great video capture cards, and the RT2500 (sorry if the model number is off), which does NICE realtime MPEG-2 encoding, goes for around $2,500. Also, I wouldnt count on anything being 512 bit, computer GPUs are not as specialized as console ones, and they cant just make a 16x32bit pipeline and have all software work with it like that. Just My opinion, later.
Matrox is known for great video capture cards, and the RT2500 (sorry if the model number is off), which does NICE realtime MPEG-2 encoding, goes for around $2,500. Also, I wouldnt count on anything being 512 bit, computer GPUs are not as specialized as console ones, and they cant just make a 16x32bit pipeline and have all software work with it like that. Just My opinion, later.
AmdEmAll
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It's about time matrox get's off there ass. Could it be that there "silence" has fueled a card so powerful that nothing can compete with it? Anything is possible in this business. If it beats the crap out of the geforce 4 ti 4600 there is no doubt that I will be buying it. I remember when I used a G400 for gaming. Although it wasnt the fastest, I have never seen a card that could match it in visual quality.
<< What really bugs me about this card, is the price. An awful thought has just struck my head... this 256MB DDR video card is going to cost an arm and a leg. I'm thinking of figures in the $600 range at least. 512-bit GPU, 40-bit color, DX9 support, 256-bit memory interface. That's over $500 for sure. I can't recall Matrox ever made a card in this price range. >>
expected price for the 256mb is around $1000, 32mb around $300 and the rest somewhere inbetween
another sign that this is comming, many of the modirators on murc forums have changed their avatar to the Parhelia logo. They are under the NDA thingy.
damn I hate those mods on murc
http://forums.matroxusers.com/showthread.php?s=4fdddd854d56a7e78a3ffed94b01f57b&threadid=32751
They are talking about the upcoming doom3 presentation on E3 and what card will be used
Ant
Administrator
- They might be displaying it in rather a unique way
cjolley
Super MURCer
- Ant, would you cut that out!? You're driving us all crazy.
Ant
Administrator
- OK I promise no more hints
- How many monitors do you have?
mdhome
MURCer
- Ant, I have at least 3 and less than 4.
Ant
Administrator
- That sounds just about right
the bastard just loves to torture us
http://forums.matroxusers.com/showthread.php?s=4fdddd854d56a7e78a3ffed94b01f57b&threadid=32751
They are talking about the upcoming doom3 presentation on E3 and what card will be used
Ant
Administrator
- They might be displaying it in rather a unique way
cjolley
Super MURCer
- Ant, would you cut that out!? You're driving us all crazy.
Ant
Administrator
- OK I promise no more hints
- How many monitors do you have?
mdhome
MURCer
- Ant, I have at least 3 and less than 4.
Ant
Administrator
- That sounds just about right
the bastard just loves to torture us
LOL.. If that card can handle 4 montiors.. Oh my.. I'll have to buy another computer desk for the monitors alone
Imagine 4 panel monitors set up in a square to form one BIG monitor.... Of course, you'd have the Big ol Borders between monitors that could kinda' suck....
Of course, you'd have the Big ol Borders between monitors that could kinda' suck....<< LOL.. If that card can handle 4 montiors.. Oh my.. I'll have to buy another computer desk for the monitors alone
>>It won't handle 4.....just 3
<< amish must have some inside information. >>
Yes. Yes I do and not being able to spill it has been killing me for the last couple months!!
Nobody would believe me anyway.
BTW- the retail name will be Parhelia. No G-Crap or numbers.
amish
"What have you been smoking?
Matrox is known for great video capture cards, and the RT2500 (sorry if the model number is off), which does NICE realtime MPEG-2 encoding, goes for around $2,500"
Uhh, what have you been smoking? The RT2500 sells for about $750. Even at release, the MSRP was barely over $1000. I think Booster was referring to consumer oriented video cards anyway, which has nothing to do with prosumer video editing boards.
Electric, this card better cure cancer, and end the conflicts in the Middle East the way you are talking about it. Despite about 50 posts in the 2 current Matrox threads by you, you have yet to post anything of any substance related to card that someone else's didn't post first (specs, name, price, release date, NDA date, etc...), or post anything at all that lends evidence to you claiming to have inside knowledge of this product. If this wasn't a Matrox product, I would ask you how much you were getting paid to flood the board with superficial propaganda.
Matrox is known for great video capture cards, and the RT2500 (sorry if the model number is off), which does NICE realtime MPEG-2 encoding, goes for around $2,500"
Uhh, what have you been smoking? The RT2500 sells for about $750. Even at release, the MSRP was barely over $1000. I think Booster was referring to consumer oriented video cards anyway, which has nothing to do with prosumer video editing boards.
Electric, this card better cure cancer, and end the conflicts in the Middle East the way you are talking about it. Despite about 50 posts in the 2 current Matrox threads by you, you have yet to post anything of any substance related to card that someone else's didn't post first (specs, name, price, release date, NDA date, etc...), or post anything at all that lends evidence to you claiming to have inside knowledge of this product. If this wasn't a Matrox product, I would ask you how much you were getting paid to flood the board with superficial propaganda.
I agree with you 110%, Pariah.
Electric, as Pariah said, you have had nothing substantial to say besides that this card will be coming out soon. You've been simply regurgitating what other sites and forums have already stated, despite claiming you have some kind of insider info, and potential 'beans to spill.'
Instead of selling this card, whose performance at this point is uncertain (hardware looks impressive, different story for the drivers at this point), why don't you wait for this card to be released until passing final judgement.
Electric, as Pariah said, you have had nothing substantial to say besides that this card will be coming out soon. You've been simply regurgitating what other sites and forums have already stated, despite claiming you have some kind of insider info, and potential 'beans to spill.'
Instead of selling this card, whose performance at this point is uncertain (hardware looks impressive, different story for the drivers at this point), why don't you wait for this card to be released until passing final judgement.
That spec sheet was the one that was on Matrox's site for a short while but was quickly pulled off. As for its authenticity, well Electric Amish knows
Agodspeed, if you think that Matrox would post that flash intro on their web site and then say no card will come out, then my friend, you are either a) mentally disturbed or b) don't know anything of corporate conduct.
If your doubts are however towards the quality and performance of the card, I have to admit we'll just have to wait for it to come out to judge. I used to work at Matrox so I know a little bit what's been going on. There was supposed to be a G800, but Matrox Toronto screwed it up, it took too long, didn't work, and was cancelled. Matrox constantly has two teams working on two different cards (Montreal has been working on Parhelia since a long time). Toronto must be already working on the next card.
I don't think Parhelia will be a "GeForce 4 killer", at least in DirectX8 or less games. I think the performance will be roughly equal. However in terms of visual quality, innovative features, multidisplay and DirectX 9 features (like displacement mapping), Parhelia should rock.
Another thing, people posted that it's vaporware and has never been demonstrated. That's false, Matrox used Parhelia during their last conference (think it was GameDevelopers conference), without saying it explicitely. They demonstrated displacement mapping on "some unannounced hardware" (according to matrox tech forums), which will be revealed on May 14th.
If your doubts are however towards the quality and performance of the card, I have to admit we'll just have to wait for it to come out to judge. I used to work at Matrox so I know a little bit what's been going on. There was supposed to be a G800, but Matrox Toronto screwed it up, it took too long, didn't work, and was cancelled. Matrox constantly has two teams working on two different cards (Montreal has been working on Parhelia since a long time). Toronto must be already working on the next card.
I don't think Parhelia will be a "GeForce 4 killer", at least in DirectX8 or less games. I think the performance will be roughly equal. However in terms of visual quality, innovative features, multidisplay and DirectX 9 features (like displacement mapping), Parhelia should rock.
Another thing, people posted that it's vaporware and has never been demonstrated. That's false, Matrox used Parhelia during their last conference (think it was GameDevelopers conference), without saying it explicitely. They demonstrated displacement mapping on "some unannounced hardware" (according to matrox tech forums), which will be revealed on May 14th.
Attn: Matrox Insiders:
I know that you may not be able to divulge this info, but I am just wondering if there are plans for low cost versions of Parahelia to be relased? To be honest, I am about to buy a Radeon 7500 for my Dual Monitor setup, and I did think about getting a G400, but the performance is just too low, so I am wondering if there are going to be $100 versions of Parahelia that will have at least performance compareable to the R7500? I know i'll prolly just have to wait, but I am jw if there's any info like this around that you can divluge, thanks!!!
I know that you may not be able to divulge this info, but I am just wondering if there are plans for low cost versions of Parahelia to be relased? To be honest, I am about to buy a Radeon 7500 for my Dual Monitor setup, and I did think about getting a G400, but the performance is just too low, so I am wondering if there are going to be $100 versions of Parahelia that will have at least performance compareable to the R7500? I know i'll prolly just have to wait, but I am jw if there's any info like this around that you can divluge, thanks!!!
<< It won't handle 4.....just 3
>>We can always dare to dream since they have that G200MMS card (4 monitor outputs)
Cheers,
Aquaman
Eug
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The other question is for Mac OS X if they will support Quartz Extreme.
Apple has just announced that EVERYTHING in OS X.2 will be OpenGL accelerated with Quartz Extreme, and that includes 2D. (Right now OS X is at X.1.4.) Their announcement only included Radeons and Geforce 2 MX and up cards, with preferably 32 MB. (Heheh, who'da thought, "2D" cards requiring a minimum of 32 MB.)
I suspect that the G1000 will be Quartz Extreme compatible though, partially because OS X.2 isn't out until summer/fall.
Apple has just announced that EVERYTHING in OS X.2 will be OpenGL accelerated with Quartz Extreme, and that includes 2D. (Right now OS X is at X.1.4.) Their announcement only included Radeons and Geforce 2 MX and up cards, with preferably 32 MB. (Heheh, who'da thought, "2D" cards requiring a minimum of 32 MB.
)I suspect that the G1000 will be Quartz Extreme compatible though, partially because OS X.2 isn't out until summer/fall.
And even if they do release a 4 monitor capable Parhelia (looks like 3 right now), a dream is all it will remain for most people. A G200MMS retails for $700, one can only imagine what a Parhelia version would cost.
Athlon4all, I don't pretend to have any insinde info from Matrox since a long time, but instinctivly, I'd say 100$ is way too low a figure. On their online store, even the G550 is still 150$. I imagine however Matrox will eventually release a lower end card to grab more market share.
<< Attn: Matrox Insiders:
I know that you may not be able to divulge this info, but I am just wondering if there are plans for low cost versions of Parahelia to be relased? To be honest, I am about to buy a Radeon 7500 for my Dual Monitor setup, and I did think about getting a G400, but the performance is just too low, so I am wondering if there are going to be $100 versions of Parahelia that will have at least performance compareable to the R7500? I know i'll prolly just have to wait, but I am jw if there's any info like this around that you can divluge, thanks!!! >>
To begin with, the low-end version will still be $200 or more. They could release a sub-par model later, maybe...
<< Electric, this card better cure cancer, and end the conflicts in the Middle East the way you are talking about it. Despite about 50 posts in the 2 current Matrox threads by you, you have yet to post anything of any substance related to card that someone else's didn't post first (specs, name, price, release date, NDA date, etc...), or post anything at all that lends evidence to you claiming to have inside knowledge of this product. If this wasn't a Matrox product, I would ask you how much you were getting paid to flood the board with superficial propaganda. >>
Well, believe me that I'd love to tell everyone how cool this card is going to be, but I get my info from a good friend that is generous enough to hook-up a trusted fellow enthusiast. If I break that trust, I'll be left out in the doghouse like the rest of you sods, not to mention get him in trouble and most likely lose a friendship.
So, unless he's lying to me about the card's capabilities, I'll tell you again that sliced bread ain't nothin' next to this card!
Of course, if I was saying this about a Nvidia card, you would all believe me...
amish
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