Material happiness...

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
People are not always going to be happy if they are with people, it's the same with them too... If I had friends, and kept them for a year I wouldn't be any happier with them then than before.. I know this for fact. I had a friend for more than a year, and I was no more happy with them than before. So, what are we proving?

Nothing keeps us happier longer than a year unless it is a certificate of deposit.

Come back in 40 years when all your loved ones are dead or dying and you are on life-support. Tell me then how much happiness that number in your certificate of deposit is making you happy. You'll change you tune as soon as you really live life and realize that money never really solved any true problem. Money won't tell your dead loved one the words you wish you had told. Money won't remove the brain cancer from your best friend. Money won't bring back your girlfriend/spouse after you make a mistake.

I'll ask you one question. If money really brought happiness, then how come studies of happiness always show that the wealthiest people are less happy than the middle class?

That would be probably 80 years from now... Which is a long time! (I'm 18) I might not need life support though. Haha.

What is the true problem? What am I trying to actually solve in the end? Was there ever a problem to begin with? Is my unhappiness just something that isn't really there? What is the state of being unhappy and happy? What happens when I am "truly" happy? What then? Do I die?

 

[dullard]

Oh, and one last thing. Generally, the more money you have, the more time you spend working and commuting. Also, generally the more money you have, the less time you spend on leisure activites such as watching TV, relaxing, or playing golf.

To me, happiness is the luxury of having leisure activities.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
What is the true problem? What am I trying to actually solve in the end? Was there ever a problem to begin with? Is my unhappiness just something that isn't really there? What is the state of being unhappy and happy? What happens when I am "truly" happy? What then? Do I die?

If you are unhappy, it is because you are unhappy. It isn't because of the size of your bank account. People can learn to be happy with modest material goods. In your case, it may just take some time and effort.

If the richest person in the world is depressed, then he is depressed. Money will do nothing. The unhappiness has to be cured by other means.

When you are truely happy, then you can sit back, relax and be content with the way life is. I picture a cat sleeping in front of a fireplace. That is true happiness to me. Of course, if you hate cats, that won't mean much to you.

 

[Amused]

Beware of the grass is greener syndrome. Seems like you have a nasty case of it and all it leads to is a life of bitter disappointment.

Money doesnt make your problems go away. Just your problems with bills. All your other problems remain, some are intensified and money even brings new problems with it.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: dullard
Oh, and one last thing. Generally, the more money you have, the more time you spend working and commuting. Also, generally the more money you have, the less time you spend on leisure activites such as watching TV, relaxing, or playing golf.

To me, happiness is the luxury of having leisure activities.

I think there is a tipping point for both those things you said.

What if I sell my company for billions of dollars, and now I don't have to work? All the leisure time I want now...

I have too much leisure time, and not the right activities. Relaxing and watching TV are not any fun to me.. Golf is fun if I play with friends... (non-existent)

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
What is the true problem? What am I trying to actually solve in the end? Was there ever a problem to begin with? Is my unhappiness just something that isn't really there? What is the state of being unhappy and happy? What happens when I am "truly" happy? What then? Do I die?

If you are unhappy, it is because you are unhappy. It isn't because of the size of your bank account. People can learn to be happy with modest material goods. In your case, it may just take some time and effort.

If the richest person in the world is depressed, then he is depressed. Money will do nothing. The unhappiness has to be cured by other means.

When you are truely happy, then you can sit back, relax and be content with the way life is. I picture a cat sleeping in front of a fireplace. That is true happiness to me. Of course, if you hate cats, that won't mean much to you.

Cats are meh. I don't really care for the whole sitting in front of fireplace thing. It only feels good for a little bit, then the feeling becomes so over-done and not as good. It also can get kinda hot...

People are never going to be happy, unless they are hooked up to a happy machine. With enough money, and time, I might be able to make that machine. "Make me happy, Bob. Make me happy, and kill me. I will be oblivious to it all since I will be happy. That's what I want Bob - to die happy."

 

[SketchMaster]

Triden,

I think you should seek some counseling, if you are in a constant state of depression then something is wrong and you need help with it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking help when you have a real problem, anyone who has been there can attest to that.

Really, this kind of thinking is not healthy and you will be unhappy for the rest of your life and you will never know why.

 

[thomsbrain]

Money can buy a jetski. You ever see someone frowning on a jetski?

Same goes for Ariel Atoms. Nobody frowns on an Ariel Atom unless they get a yellowjacket down their throat.

/thread.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: SketchMaster
Triden,

I think you should seek some counseling, if you are in a constant state of depression then something is wrong and you need help with it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking help when you have a real problem, anyone who has been there can attest to that.

Really, this kind of thinking is not healthy and you will be unhappy for the rest of your life and you will never know why.

I don't think you should worry over it.

The problems that I encounter are nothing a counselor will be able to fix.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
People are not always going to be happy if they are with people, it's the same with them too... If I had friends, and kept them for a year I wouldn't be any happier with them then than before.. I know this for fact. I had a friend for more than a year, and I was no more happy with them than before. So, what are we proving?

Nothing keeps us happier longer than a year unless it is a certificate of deposit.

Come back in 40 years when all your loved ones are dead or dying and you are on life-support. Tell me then how much happiness that number in your certificate of deposit is making you happy. You'll change you tune as soon as you really live life and realize that money never really solved any true problem. Money won't tell your dead loved one the words you wish you had told. Money won't remove the brain cancer from your best friend. Money won't bring back your girlfriend/spouse after you make a mistake.

I'll ask you one question. If money really brought happiness, then how come studies of happiness always show that the wealthiest people are less happy than the middle class?

That would be probably 80 years from now... Which is a long time! (I'm 18) I might not need life support though. Haha.

What is the true problem? What am I trying to actually solve in the end? Was there ever a problem to begin with? Is my unhappiness just something that isn't really there? What is the state of being unhappy and happy? What happens when I am "truly" happy? What then? Do I die?

You're 18, so at least you have a excuse for your foolishness. With luck and hard work, you'll be less of a fool in a few years, or you might remain foolish your entire life, like a lot of other people.

Here's something to get you started:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/t...bits_of_happiness.html

then read his book, which you can find at your local library: http://www.amazon.ca/Happiness...&qid=1230316606&sr=8-3

The gist of it is that dullard is right and you're wrong. Much as a poor person in a poor country might look at your possessions and imagine himself happy if only he had them, you look at a richer person still and imagine yourself happy if only you had his possessions.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Money can buy a jetski. You ever see someone frowning on a jetski?

Same goes for Ariel Atoms. Nobody frowns on an Ariel Atom unless they get a yellowjacket down their throat.

/thread.

I think, you win!

 

[rh71]

Provided you are smart with it, it will make you plenty happy. Just consider that money can't buy everything. But happiness? Sure it can.

"They say money can't buy happiness? Look at the fucking smile on my face. Ear to ear, baby."

"Anybody who tells you money is the root of all evil doesn't fucking have any."

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Why don't you get a job and help your parents? You're 18 and an adult.

I have no motivation. I guess that's it. I truly have no reason to do anything, because I can survive on bare essentials. I think that is why I do what I do.

This post completely contradicts your original one. If you can survive on bare essentials, then why are you making such a big deal about having tons of money? I always figured the richest people never feel like they have enough, which is part of what motivates them to make more money.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Why don't you get a job and help your parents? You're 18 and an adult.

I have no motivation. I guess that's it. I truly have no reason to do anything, because I can survive on bare essentials. I think that is why I do what I do.

This post completely contradicts your original one. If you can survive on bare essentials, then why are you making such a big deal about having tons of money? I always figured the richest people never feel like they have enough, which is part of what motivates them to make more money.

No it doesn't. I didn't say I worked for the money.

I said, I can survive on bare essentials... I may be unhappy, but I am not unhappy enough that I want to work at some dead-end low-pay job. If I could work, knowing it would be success, and get billions of dollars then I would do it. BUT since I don't know that method... I do this and bitch about being unhappy.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Money just doesn't magically make problems go away. Most people who are handed great sums of money almost immediately give it back and wind up right where they started. With lots of money comes lots of new problems, stresses and worries. You can't see them because you can only see how your current problems would be solved by money, but they're there.

I think the phrase "money doesn't buy happiness" comes almost solely from the fact that money can't help you lead a fulfilling life. Sure, riding around in your own 747 is fun. What if you spent your whole life doing that? Most people derive their greatest satisfaction from giving something back to the world or building something or contributing to something. In fact, there are several studies that show people are happiest when they're at work. Even if they claim to hate it, work gives people direction, goals, and motivation.

Anyway, money doesn't solve the biggest questions that are the keys to happiness -- finding your true calling in your life and finding a love.

That's problematic for me. I feel no point in life, or to contributing actually. I am only living right now because fear of death. (Evolution at work?) I wonder, if it is possible to be mentally(mentally is actually physically too) wired to not kill yourself, and the people who do kill themselves are just not wired that way.

Maybe humans are wired to normally only gain "true" happiness from things such as love, because they were made that way through evolution. People who seek happiness through wealth such as me die out because they don't reproduce.

hands TridenTBoy3555 a loaded 9mm automatic

go out and play russian roulette with it, PLEASE!

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Money just doesn't magically make problems go away. Most people who are handed great sums of money almost immediately give it back and wind up right where they started. With lots of money comes lots of new problems, stresses and worries. You can't see them because you can only see how your current problems would be solved by money, but they're there.

I think the phrase "money doesn't buy happiness" comes almost solely from the fact that money can't help you lead a fulfilling life. Sure, riding around in your own 747 is fun. What if you spent your whole life doing that? Most people derive their greatest satisfaction from giving something back to the world or building something or contributing to something. In fact, there are several studies that show people are happiest when they're at work. Even if they claim to hate it, work gives people direction, goals, and motivation.

Anyway, money doesn't solve the biggest questions that are the keys to happiness -- finding your true calling in your life and finding a love.

That's problematic for me. I feel no point in life, or to contributing actually. I am only living right now because fear of death. (Evolution at work?) I wonder, if it is possible to be mentally(mentally is actually physically too) wired to not kill yourself, and the people who do kill themselves are just not wired that way.

Maybe humans are wired to normally only gain "true" happiness from things such as love, because they were made that way through evolution. People who seek happiness through wealth such as me die out because they don't reproduce.

hands TridenTBoy3555 a loaded 9mm automatic

go out and play russian roulette with it, PLEASE!

All the bullets didn't have any explosive in them. Boring. I was wanting at least to hear a boom.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Why is it that people always say that money doesn't bring you happiness and that all your wealth won't? I call bullshit on this. I would be beyond happy if I had a billion dollars! I could go on all kinds of vacations, go to great schools without worry about the cost, and finally live in an awesome house. All kinds of stuff I could do with my wealth, and materials. So why is it that people always think you can't gain "true" happiness from it all?

I just don't understand the logic.

mo money, mo problems.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Why is it that people always say that money doesn't bring you happiness and that all your wealth won't? I call bullshit on this. I would be beyond happy if I had a billion dollars! I could go on all kinds of vacations, go to great schools without worry about the cost, and finally live in an awesome house. All kinds of stuff I could do with my wealth, and materials. So why is it that people always think you can't gain "true" happiness from it all?

I just don't understand the logic.

mo money, mo problems.

no money, big problems!

Someone, quickly, make an equation that shows the tipping point for money/happiness. Find me the best ratio!!!

 

[SketchMaster]

You are either bipolar or just a trolling 18 year old.

One can be solved with meds, the other with a swift kick.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: SketchMaster
You are either bipolar or just a trolling 18 year old.

One can be solved with meds, the other with a swift kick.

There is a third option: CRAZY!!!!

I watch funny videos, and then I am happy.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Why is it that people always say that money doesn't bring you happiness and that all your wealth won't? I call bullshit on this. I would be beyond happy if I had a billion dollars! I could go on all kinds of vacations, go to great schools without worry about the cost, and finally live in an awesome house. All kinds of stuff I could do with my wealth, and materials. So why is it that people always think you can't gain "true" happiness from it all?

I just don't understand the logic.

mo money, mo problems.

no money, big problems!

Someone, quickly, make an equation that shows the tipping point for money/happiness. Find me the best ratio!!!

there is no such equation. some people are totally content and happy making just a little money while others aren't content no matter how much they make.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Why is it that people always say that money doesn't bring you happiness and that all your wealth won't? I call bullshit on this. I would be beyond happy if I had a billion dollars! I could go on all kinds of vacations, go to great schools without worry about the cost, and finally live in an awesome house. All kinds of stuff I could do with my wealth, and materials. So why is it that people always think you can't gain "true" happiness from it all?

I just don't understand the logic.

mo money, mo problems.

no money, big problems!

Someone, quickly, make an equation that shows the tipping point for money/happiness. Find me the best ratio!!!

there is no such equation. some people are totally content and happy making just a little money while others aren't content no matter how much they make.

Hmm.. I think those people who are not content with no matter how much they make have not made enough money yet.

 

[her209]

If I had a billion dollars, I'd spend it suing people on frivolous lawsuits.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Martin
Here's something to get you started:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/t...bits_of_happiness.html

u got the subtitles to this? his accent makes it had to understand

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Why is it that people always say that money doesn't bring you happiness and that all your wealth won't? I call bullshit on this. I would be beyond happy if I had a billion dollars! I could go on all kinds of vacations, go to great schools without worry about the cost, and finally live in an awesome house. All kinds of stuff I could do with my wealth, and materials. So why is it that people always think you can't gain "true" happiness from it all?

I just don't understand the logic.

mo money, mo problems.

no money, big problems!

Someone, quickly, make an equation that shows the tipping point for money/happiness. Find me the best ratio!!!

there is no such equation. some people are totally content and happy making just a little money while others aren't content no matter how much they make.

you may want to check out something like this:

http://www.rapgraph.com/