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They can keep time on whatever they want, I do not care. However to me it sounds like data being kept for purposes of improving their software products. That's how they knew that very few people clicked on WMC, so they ditched it. It's also how they knew how many flashes it takes for a notice to get your attention and how many times was too annoying.
Their other option is to read millions of emails with suggestions from users which is never biased I'm sure.
 
BarkingGhostar said:
Executioner posted about it. :biggrin:
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I guess people don't care about their privacy. Being a baby boomer born in 1955, we never had to worry about privacy until about 10-15 years ago. Now it's all over the place from every source you can think of because of the digital age we live in.

I also thought the article was funny, in that how poorly MS understands the consumer. I guess the PR department never communicated with management about bragging about what users are clicking on their PC. I bet the majority of win 10 users don't care about being tracked or what is shared, which is why I posted this article.
 
13Gigatons said:
The attitude of people is hilarious:

Your Operating System is spying on you: shrug

We listen too all your phone calls: shrug

We took naked pictures of your wife: shrug

We installed a camera in your house: shrug

We know what books you read: shrug

We track you when you drive: shrug


I'm always so embarrassed by Americans apathy towards liberty and privacy.


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Yep!

Thing is it will get worse and more and more people seem like they don't care. Wait till robots are in your house.
 
HeXen said:
They can keep time on whatever they want, I do not care. However to me it sounds like data being kept for purposes of improving their software products. That's how they knew that very few people clicked on WMC, so they ditched it. It's also how they knew how many flashes it takes for a notice to get your attention and how many times was too annoying.
Their other option is to read millions of emails with suggestions from users which is never biased I'm sure.
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If it helps them make Windows a better OS, I don't mind this type of tracking. It helps them design a more streamlined user-interface if they know what features people most frequently access, how they navigate to things etc.

Other kinds of tracking are worse, like displaying ads based on the emails you send and receive, for example. That's just creepy.
 
JEDIYoda said:
So what exactly is the big deal??????
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The moral dilemma about how to go about the obvious. There are many possible paths for entities:

* To not gather any data. There is no profit.
* Deny spying, but do it anyway. Is it ok, if everybody else does it too?
* Admit spying, but not reveal details. How naughty!
* Admit spying and tell every last bit of it to everyone. There is limited profit.
 
Got me, I do not use One Drive or Edge myself atm, but am using Build 11082 of WIN 10, with many things turned off.

If you think MS has not been monitoring things in the past you're probably very wrong to begin with.

It just does seem they are a bit more open about acknowledging the fact.
 
13Gigatons said:
People like you are the worst because you live in denial of what is occurring even when they admit they are doing it. 😱
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People like you are worse because you panic over every conspiracy theory on the internet.

We can both play this game...
 
In spite of the privacy concerns, I don't understand why Microsoft would need many of the types of information being recorded.

If I buy a new car, I would understand if the car maker recorded telemetry detailing how the engine is running or whether the brakes are overheating. What I wouldn't understand, is if the car maker is monitoring what brand of beverage is sitting in the cup holder or whether I like to store jeans or large quantities of fruit rollups in the trunk. None of that data should have anything to do with the general mechanical operation of the car.

I understand that some types of data can be used for marketing purposes. I'm willing to bet that much of the data MS is collecting will be monetized for that purpose and isn't really meant to be nefarious; however, that is a line that was traditionally crossed as a compromise for using free software. As a paying licensee, I find it insulting and degrading. And that's the stuff they comp to. Not to be paranoid, but Windows has bugs. Just because they tell us they added a way to turn off said tracking doesn't mean the software actually honors the switch.

Anyways, it's about as good a time as ever for congress to get around to passing a Digital Consumers Bill of Rights. The law should be black and white about the type of data that can be gathered and in what circumstances. It's like the old west when dealing with software licensing. It's only wrong if you get caught, and even then there are no really downsides other than negative public opinion.

Oh well.
 
Try to hide, you can"t.Your are being watched and tracked on the computer and in the local parking lot, stores even traffic cams.
A co-worker went to Menards and made a purchase. When she got back to work she figured out the total was excessive. Back to the store. They ran the camera footage at the time of check-out. It was verified a mistake had been made and a credit was issued.
Again.. try to hide
 
13Gigatons said:
People like you are the worst because you live in denial of what is occurring even when they admit they are doing it. 😱
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And here I thought that "liberty" meant I had the *choice* to be OK with the information they are collecting about me. Nope, apparently that makes me some sort of horrible person who hates freedom.

They are providing me a product, and are collecting my information instead of my money in exchange. I'm aware of this. I consent to this. I value the product more than I value them knowing what brand of underwear I buy on Amazon.com. That's *my* decision, and is frankly none of your business.

Mods, can we please just get one big tinfoil hat Windows 10 hates us for our freedoms sticky and start banning these off the rails raving threads? Every time I come here it's nothing but tinfoil hatters stirring up sensationalism and talking down to people who made an informed personal choice.
 
Anteaus said:
In spite of the privacy concerns, I don't understand why Microsoft would need many of the types of information being recorded.

If I buy a new car, I would understand if the car maker recorded telemetry detailing how the engine is running or whether the brakes are overheating. What I wouldn't understand, is if the car maker is monitoring what brand of beverage is sitting in the cup holder or whether I like to store jeans or large quantities of fruit rollups in the trunk. None of that data should have anything to do with the general mechanical operation of the car.
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Part of it is a question of seeing how the software is used so they know how the software should be worked on. You could just ask your users but analytics gives you data on how the application will be used that users may not directly notice, the data can also be used to inform your interview questions for users.

How much you store in your trunk, if you even use the trunk at all, can be hugely important for future iterations (or variations) of a vehicle. Maybe a smaller trunk will do in the future, or collapsible seats may prove useful.

Anteaus said:
I understand that some types of data can be used for marketing purposes. I'm willing to bet that much of the data MS is collecting will be monetized for that purpose and isn't really meant to be nefarious; however, that is a line that was traditionally crossed as a compromise for using free software.
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That's definitely another factor but, while I have a little experience working with a development app team using user data, I have no experience with the marketing folks.
 
Anteaus said:
If I buy a new car, I would understand if the car maker recorded telemetry detailing how the engine is running or whether the brakes are overheating. What I wouldn't understand, is if the car maker is monitoring what brand of beverage is sitting in the cup holder or whether I like to store jeans or large quantities of fruit rollups in the trunk. None of that data should have anything to do with the general mechanical operation of the car.
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Did your beverage fit into the cup holder? Did you have a hard time grabbing it while driving, distracting you? Did the beverage spill, and what caused the spill? Did your fruit roll ups end up falling into small areas of the trunk and get lost, or were they kept neatly in the trunk for you to find?
 
13Gigatons said:
People like you are the worst because you live in denial of what is occurring even when they admit they are doing it. 😱
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Part of the issue is that most of us here grew up with most everything about us being private or not knowing how much data mining went on. Internet started to change that and it's just evolving. Adults get more stubborn, less adaptable as we age, many just don't like changes to things that feel personal. Kind of like the debates over changes to gun laws, if we grew up with such changes already in place, we wouldn't think as much of them.

There are lots of examples of things that were changed before our births that were once hotly debated topics, now seemingly trivial...heck many of us hated being forced to wear seatbelts because we rode in our parents cars growing up and driving for years without it being a big deal but young drivers don't think much about it, they just put it on. I used to ride in the bed of my grandpa's truck or sit on the arm rest so I could see so I didn't like my car nagging me about wearing it nor laws forcing me to at first because I wasn't used to it yet. Privacy will be a trivial subject to new generations as they grow up with the idea that our data is being exchanged/sold.

Plus the more comical side of things comes from Facebook users that put everything about their lives up on it, then complain about privacy concerns...I know a lady like that, cracks me up. She even posted her drama life on FB but the idea of focused ads or public camera's and stuff like that drives her ranting.
 
HeXen said:
Part of the issue is that most of us here grew up with most everything about us being private or not knowing how much data mining went on.
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Truth is people today are stupid and wimpy. They will sell out liberty for security that will never materialize. Give up privacy and gain nothing in return.

America from 40's to the 80's will be the golden years when America had prosperity, then slowly piss it away to corporate be-heathens who never make enough profit. The national debt is staggering and even worst is the GDP to debt ratio which is 104% (it was 33% at one time).
 
RampantAndroid said:
Did your beverage fit into the cup holder? Did you have a hard time grabbing it while driving, distracting you? Did the beverage spill, and what caused the spill? Did your fruit roll ups end up falling into small areas of the trunk and get lost, or were they kept neatly in the trunk for you to find?
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I don't think any of us live under the premise that Windows software is designed as a custom fit for our lifestyle. I'm not sure if your being ironic or sarcastic lol.

Sometimes it really is consumer beware. If I buy a car and the trunk isn't big enough for the enormous box of fruit rollups, I buy a car with a bigger trunk or find workarounds. Maybe I convert the backseat into more fruit rollup storage. Do you think it would ok if car makers installed little video cameras with the sole purpose of watching how people interact inside the car while driving under the guise of "improving user experience"....and then claim that since you agreed to the EULA they own all footage captured?

Like many here, I am willing to accommodate a certain amount of software monitoring for QC purposes. The issue is that much of the monitoring in Windows 10 is not about software stability and more about user behavior, which I believe is outside the scope of that premise. There is a reason they need to turn much of this on by default. Most reasonable people wouldn't voluntarily and intentionally enable monitoring. In that sense, MS is actively taking advantage of the PC layman.

Not long ago Samsung got busted for programming their televisions to spy on users and they got slapped down hard by consumers. Are we so jaded that we won't apply the same standard to MS?

http://betanews.com/2016/01/04/why-is-microsoft-monitoring-how-long-you-use-windows-10/

Full disclosure, I am somewhat of a hypocrite because I use Windows 10 because I like PC gaming. That is literally the only thing keeping me from using Linux on my main PC. Everything else I own runs linux.
 
MongGrel said:
Got me, I do not use One Drive or Edge myself atm, but am using Build 11082 of WIN 10, with many things turned off.

If you think MS has not been monitoring things in the past you're probably very wrong to begin with.

It just does seem they are a bit more open about acknowledging the fact.
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It's funny, I didn't see my win xp or win 8 computers calling home to Singapore until after the win 7 and 8 telemetry updates this year.

It's also funny how spyware and adware are not only embraced but they have "fanboys" willing to insult others who resist their adoption (not you Mongrel). Moreover people are actually paying money for this OS. I feel like I'm in a "Twilight Zone" episode 😵
 
balloonshark said:
It's funny, I didn't see my win xp or win 8 computers calling home to Singapore until after the win 7 and 8 telemetry updates this year.

It's also funny how spyware and adware are not only embraced but they have "fanboys" willing to insult others who resist their adoption (not you Mongrel). Moreover people are actually paying money for this OS. I feel like I'm in a "Twilight Zone" episode 😵
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Yes..step right down here and pay us money so we can spy on you.

PS: Microsoft Snake Oil is also on sale. :sneaky:
 
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