Thevenin8888 is right. You only recieve biased information from the local networks here in the US.
If you wanted your land, you would do anything for it, Period. There are no rules here. Crying about palestinians bombing places up wont do anything. Anything that palestinians do, israel does 10 fold. You cant argue the fact that the whole world condemns israel for ruthlessness barbaric acts of terrorism and cruelty.
Its very strange that israel hates hitler but then exactly does what he did. Kill innocent women and children for who they are.
Talk about hipocrisy.
If you wanted your land, you would do anything for it, Period. There are no rules here. Crying about palestinians bombing places up wont do anything. Anything that palestinians do, israel does 10 fold. You cant argue the fact that the whole world condemns israel for ruthlessness barbaric acts of terrorism and cruelty.
Its very strange that israel hates hitler but then exactly does what he did. Kill innocent women and children for who they are.
Talk about hipocrisy.
As long as the majority of the Palestinians support the suicide bombers, the Israeli incursions will continue. It's very simple, stop the suicide bombing against civilians, the IDF will pull back. It's up to the Palestinians, do they want war or do they want peace. Israel is like a burning stove, as long as you don't touch it, you won't get burn. The Palestinians and the other Arabs want to kill all the Israelis, and they expect the Israelis to sit and mourn their deads?
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<< As long as the majority of the Palestinians support the suicide bombers, the Israeli incursions will continue. It's very simple, stop the suicide bombing against civilians, the IDF will pull back. It's up to the Palestinians, do they want war or do they want peace. Israel is like a burning stove, as long as you don't touch it, you won't get burn. The Palestinians and the other Arabs want to kill all the Israelis, and they expect the Israelis to sit and mourn their deads? >>
Amen. If the suicide bombings were to stop, the Israeli incursions would also stop. The Palestinian people don't have to live in misery.
<When the population supports and hides the terrorists, what is your solution?>
i wonder what percentage of palestinians in west bank actively support and hide terrorists willingly,10 percent maybe people will always defend and sympathise with their own ,as against actively support their means
,not enouigh to justify israeli actions against general population. i think.this course of action sharon is engaged in has failed before elsewhere and will fail again here,what will the fallout be ?many more suicide bombings for a start after that ,peace talks maybe there isn't much cause for any optimism at the moment esp. with poor leadership currently from sharon and arafat
i wonder what percentage of palestinians in west bank actively support and hide terrorists willingly,10 percent maybe people will always defend and sympathise with their own ,as against actively support their means
,not enouigh to justify israeli actions against general population. i think.this course of action sharon is engaged in has failed before elsewhere and will fail again here,what will the fallout be ?many more suicide bombings for a start after that ,peace talks maybe there isn't much cause for any optimism at the moment esp. with poor leadership currently from sharon and arafat
"Thevenin8888 is right. You only recieve biased information from the local networks here in the US."
That's kind of ridiculous considering that everyone reading it is on the internet and has access to news organzations across the world.
It actually sounds quite familar, the old "everyone in the U.S. is brainwashed by their media" line. It's old, it's not true anymore if it ever was.
Would you like the link to aljazeera or any other middle eastern news site. I have them. Would you like the link to a translator site for Arabic to English? I have that also.
That's kind of ridiculous considering that everyone reading it is on the internet and has access to news organzations across the world.
It actually sounds quite familar, the old "everyone in the U.S. is brainwashed by their media" line. It's old, it's not true anymore if it ever was.
Would you like the link to aljazeera or any other middle eastern news site. I have them. Would you like the link to a translator site for Arabic to English? I have that also.
<< Amen. If the suicide bombings were to stop, the Israeli incursions would also stop. The Palestinian people don't have to live in misery. >>
The problem is that there is no guarantee that they will stop, same goes for the other side, there is no guarantee that the suicide bombings stop if the idf goes back. So much distrust on both sides.
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<< i wonder what percentage of palestinians in west bank actively support and hide terrorists willingly >>
Most of them don't. But Palestinian militants use them for protection.
<< i wonder what percentage of palestinians in west bank actively support and hide terrorists willingly >>
76% of palestinians support suicide bombings, so 10% seems terribly low.
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<< Amen. If the suicide bombings were to stop, the Israeli incursions would also stop. The Palestinian people don't have to live in misery. >>
The problem is that there is no guarantee that they will stop, same goes for the other side, there is no guarantee that the suicide bombings stop if the idf goes back. So much distrust on both sides. >>
I think I'm going to pass on a response because I know I won't change your opinion.
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<< Amen. If the suicide bombings were to stop, the Israeli incursions would also stop. The Palestinian people don't have to live in misery. >>
The problem is that there is no guarantee that they will stop, same goes for the other side, there is no guarantee that the suicide bombings stop if the idf goes back. So much distrust on both sides. >>
I think I'm going to pass on a response because I know I won't change your opinion. >>
your choice
<76% of palestinians support suicide bombings, so 10% seems terribly low.>
maybe they do sympathise but they are still civilians not targets because they empathise with their own, people always do but thjey are not all involved actively at least not 76% ,just civilians mostly i'm sure influenced by theiur upbringing and influences etc,if you were brought up in a chicken coop you'd hate foxes would'nt you
maybe they do sympathise but they are still civilians not targets because they empathise with their own, people always do but thjey are not all involved actively at least not 76% ,just civilians mostly i'm sure influenced by theiur upbringing and influences etc,if you were brought up in a chicken coop you'd hate foxes would'nt you
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I would give the Palestinian Authority tanks, war planes, and missiles if I knew that that would get them to target the IDF and not all Israelis.
If I have a nest of vipers under my house and they keep coming in and biting my family members I am not going to try and discern which of them is going to be the next one to invade. I'm going to clean the nest of them out.
Do not try and construe that in any way that I support cleaning the "Palestinians out". I do not and have never advocated that position. It does serve only to prove that analogies can be flawed. ie, chicken coop/foxes.
Do not try and construe that in any way that I support cleaning the "Palestinians out". I do not and have never advocated that position. It does serve only to prove that analogies can be flawed. ie, chicken coop/foxes.
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<< say keep on trucking Isreal. It's your land and you should take care of your internal problems however you see fit.BTW I don't give a rats ass about their religons or beliefs. The palastinians are just upset because their people are dying in numbers now, not the Isrealis. >>
Yeah just like Milisevich did in Yugislavia . It's a good thing brain dean morons like you aren't in charge of anything but their bowel movements and with you even that's in question.
<< I think I'm going to pass on a response because I know I won't change your opinion. >>
You are right, it's just a gathering the the JDL anyway. You have to remember that objectivity isn't in fashion with these guys.
<< say keep on trucking Isreal. It's your land and you should take care of your internal problems however you see fit.BTW I don't give a rats ass about their religons or beliefs. The palastinians are just upset because their people are dying in numbers now, not the Isrealis. >>
Yeah just like Milisevich did in Yugislavia . It's a good thing brain dean morons like you aren't in charge of anything but their bowel movements and with you even that's in question.
<< I think I'm going to pass on a response because I know I won't change your opinion. >>
You are right, it's just a gathering the the JDL anyway. You have to remember that objectivity isn't in fashion with these guys.
Red,
You have to remember that objectivity isn't in fashion with these guys.
Are you saying that one side is objective and the other isn't?
Oh well, I'm not going to write poems about suicide bombers, so if that is not being objective, so be it.
Published Poem Lauds Suicide Bombers
Mon Apr 15, 3:52 PM ET
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - The Saudi ambassador to Britain, a well-known poet in the Arab world, has praised Palestinian suicide bombers and criticized the United States in a poem published in a London-based newspaper.
"You died to honor God's word," Ghazi Algosaibi wrote in "The Martyrs," a short poem on the front page of the Saudi-owned Arabic daily Al Hayat on Saturday.
The poem praised Ayat Akhras, an 18-year-old Palestinian who blew herself up in a Jerusalem supermarket, killing two Israelis and wounding 25 on March 29, the same day Israeli troops began their incursion into the West Bank to crush Palestinian militias behind a wave of attacks.
.....
"Islamic leaders, scholars and ordinary Muslims have been divided on the issue of Palestinian suicide bombers, who have killed dozens of Israelis in attacks during nearly 19 months of bloodshed."
The question, how can someone be in favour of suicide bombing as a means to a political end?
You have to remember that objectivity isn't in fashion with these guys.
Are you saying that one side is objective and the other isn't?
Oh well, I'm not going to write poems about suicide bombers, so if that is not being objective, so be it.
Published Poem Lauds Suicide Bombers
Mon Apr 15, 3:52 PM ET
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - The Saudi ambassador to Britain, a well-known poet in the Arab world, has praised Palestinian suicide bombers and criticized the United States in a poem published in a London-based newspaper.
"You died to honor God's word," Ghazi Algosaibi wrote in "The Martyrs," a short poem on the front page of the Saudi-owned Arabic daily Al Hayat on Saturday.
The poem praised Ayat Akhras, an 18-year-old Palestinian who blew herself up in a Jerusalem supermarket, killing two Israelis and wounding 25 on March 29, the same day Israeli troops began their incursion into the West Bank to crush Palestinian militias behind a wave of attacks.
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"Islamic leaders, scholars and ordinary Muslims have been divided on the issue of Palestinian suicide bombers, who have killed dozens of Israelis in attacks during nearly 19 months of bloodshed."
The question, how can someone be in favour of suicide bombing as a means to a political end?
<< <When the population supports and hides the terrorists, what is your solution?>
i wonder what percentage of palestinians in west bank actively support and hide terrorists willingly,10 percent maybe people will always defend and sympathise with their own ,as against actively support their means
,not enouigh to justify israeli actions against general population. i think.this course of action sharon is engaged in has failed before elsewhere and will fail again here,what will the fallout be ?many more suicide bombings for a start after that ,peace talks maybe there isn't much cause for any optimism at the moment esp. with poor leadership currently from sharon and arafat >>
Depends what you mean by "support."
I've heard varying reports of what happens when someone in your neighborhood does a suicide bombing...some say their families get lots of praise, some say they get lots of money, other say they just ignore it (as most of the world does)
One thing's for sure, not many people there look down/condemn suicide bombing
some say they get lots of money,
Yahoo
"Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been trying to obtain favour in the Arab world, presumably to get support against the United States which has threatened to topple his government.
He recently increased the cash bounty he would pay families of suicide bombers who attack Israel to $25,000 from $10,000. "
Yahoo
"Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been trying to obtain favour in the Arab world, presumably to get support against the United States which has threatened to topple his government.
He recently increased the cash bounty he would pay families of suicide bombers who attack Israel to $25,000 from $10,000. "
<< He recently increased the cash bounty he would pay families of suicide bombers who attack Israel to $25,000 from $10,000. >>
And so does Sharon offer any Jew living outside outside Israel $20,000 to come and settle on Palestinian land. Neither side is 'right' in their killings, both leaders are obstacles to the negotiation processes. Simple logic dictates, however, that peace cannot be achieved while the Israelis still occupy Palestinian territory. Occupation leads to refugee camps, which leads to injustice, self-pity and hatred for those who made you refugees (the Israelis). Which leads to killing as a last resort to promote your cause. Until the Israelis leave Palestinian lands, this cycle will never stop.
And so does Sharon offer any Jew living outside outside Israel $20,000 to come and settle on Palestinian land. Neither side is 'right' in their killings, both leaders are obstacles to the negotiation processes. Simple logic dictates, however, that peace cannot be achieved while the Israelis still occupy Palestinian territory. Occupation leads to refugee camps, which leads to injustice, self-pity and hatred for those who made you refugees (the Israelis). Which leads to killing as a last resort to promote your cause. Until the Israelis leave Palestinian lands, this cycle will never stop.
From 1948 until 1967, the Gaza Strip was administered by Egypt.
Why did the Egyptians keep the Palestinians in refugee camps during that time?
The West Bank was administered by Jordan between 1948-1967
Why did Jordan keep the Palestinians in refugee camps during that time?
Why did the Egyptians keep the Palestinians in refugee camps during that time?
The West Bank was administered by Jordan between 1948-1967
Why did Jordan keep the Palestinians in refugee camps during that time?
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<< From 1948 until 1967, the Gaza Strip was administered by Egypt.
Why did the Egyptians keep the Palestinians in refugee camps during that time?
The West Bank was administered by Jordan between 1948-1967
Why did Jordan keep the Palestinians in refugee camps during that time? >>
And what about the Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon? The Lebanese have repeatedly said that they will not allow the Palestinians living in those camps to integrate into Lebanese society. (And why doesn't anyone talk about the fact that most of Lebanon is under Syrian military occupation?)
<< some say they get lots of money,
Yahoo
"Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been trying to obtain favour in the Arab world, presumably to get support against the United States which has threatened to topple his government.
He recently increased the cash bounty he would pay families of suicide bombers who attack Israel to $25,000 from $10,000. " >>
He did the same thing during the Gulf war...sending scuds into Israel in hopes of getting Arab support on his side
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The Palestinian Authority has nearly disproven the axiom that you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Vespasian
The Arabs don't like to talk about how they were the ones that kept the Palestinians in refugee camps all of those years. It makes it harder for them to claim the victim status for them now.
The Arabs don't like to talk about how they were the ones that kept the Palestinians in refugee camps all of those years. It makes it harder for them to claim the victim status for them now.
According to this week's Time mag (print - I don't see it online) IDF tanks set off hundreds of booby traps (trip lines) that the Palestinians laid for IDFsoldiers. (This sounds like a good reason for non-combatants, ie press, not to enter). 6 Palestinians blew themselfs up while surrendering.
House to house urban fighting is very destructive in terms of people and property. In WWII if the advancing American saw white flags on a German town's buildings, it was left alone and they passed on to the next town. If some Germans in the town wanted to fight, the Americans typically gave them he|| (minimize American casualties). Jenin is home to many Palestinian terrorists who on the Isreali wanted list. The town citizens who thought (rightly or because of Palestinian propaganda) the worst about the IDF probably didn't obey the IDF's instructions to leave buildings etc. when they should've. A) Presumably the two peoples dislike and fear the worst of each other; B) the town folks surely saw fellow Palestinians preparing for the upcoming IDF offensive; C) and unlike other conflicts, ie the former Yugoslavia, where people leave en masse, the Jenin inhabitants foolishly decided to stay.
Is Konichiwa saying there is little difference between A) offering money to live somewhere and B) offering money to kill people? The balance of your paragraph is 'reasonable' but not as you assert "simple logic."
The Palestinians are every Arab nation's 'red-headed' step child; unwanted and poorly treated by their fellow Arabs. Arab nations have bounced out (and killed many of) the Palestinians like bad checks. He||, it's partly do to the Palestinian's own stupidity. Their more recent stupidity is supporting Hussein during the Gulf War and dancing in the street on Sep 11 2001.
House to house urban fighting is very destructive in terms of people and property. In WWII if the advancing American saw white flags on a German town's buildings, it was left alone and they passed on to the next town. If some Germans in the town wanted to fight, the Americans typically gave them he|| (minimize American casualties). Jenin is home to many Palestinian terrorists who on the Isreali wanted list. The town citizens who thought (rightly or because of Palestinian propaganda) the worst about the IDF probably didn't obey the IDF's instructions to leave buildings etc. when they should've. A) Presumably the two peoples dislike and fear the worst of each other; B) the town folks surely saw fellow Palestinians preparing for the upcoming IDF offensive; C) and unlike other conflicts, ie the former Yugoslavia, where people leave en masse, the Jenin inhabitants foolishly decided to stay.
Is Konichiwa saying there is little difference between A) offering money to live somewhere and B) offering money to kill people? The balance of your paragraph is 'reasonable' but not as you assert "simple logic."
The Palestinians are every Arab nation's 'red-headed' step child; unwanted and poorly treated by their fellow Arabs. Arab nations have bounced out (and killed many of) the Palestinians like bad checks. He||, it's partly do to the Palestinian's own stupidity. Their more recent stupidity is supporting Hussein during the Gulf War and dancing in the street on Sep 11 2001.
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