it sounds like there are 2 schools and one is a high school and the other is pre-high school. so, it is k-5th, along with 6th, 7th, and (maybe) 8th (maybe even 9th)
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Mass. School to Distribute Condoms to Elementary Students
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it sounds like there are 2 schools and one is a high school and the other is pre-high school. so, it is k-5th, along with 6th, 7th, and (maybe) 8th (maybe even 9th)
TwiceOver
Lifer
Poor title. "To make available" would be more accurate. They aren't handing them out or leaving a fishbowl filled with them on the teacher's desk.
The more protection the better IMO. Because of television and general whoreyness of women these days, kids are fucking younger and younger.
The more protection the better IMO. Because of television and general whoreyness of women these days, kids are fucking younger and younger.
Capt Caveman
Lifer
Kinda hard to teach those things when the kid is home taking care of their kid.
And schools have to do what they can as it looks bad for them if XX percent of kids do not graduate. Remember that republican thing call "no child left behind..." that is one thing they look at. What percent enter the school system and make it through in time.
Let alone if parents did there job then this would not be a issue.
mb
Lifer
To play DA:
Would you prefer your 7 year old son have unprotected sex because he is both too afraid to ask you for a condom and too afraid to ask the school for one because he knows they will have to inform you anyway?
ahenkel
Diamond Member
I guess my concern would be why would he be afraid to talk to his parents about it? There has to be a reason.
When I was about that age I knew a family that strapped down their boys arms when they slept so they wouldn't touch themselves at night. Not to mention a lot of other crazy semi religious nonsense.
Sounds like a good policy.
As for the people that think they should call the parents let me ask you a question.
If you were planning on having sex and your school provided you condoms but required that they call your parents first, would you:
A🙂 Get the condom and call your parents
or
B🙂 Just have unprotected sex.
For those that choose A you must have some cool parents growing up, because mine would have beaten me blue.
Edit: I was just reminded that a 10 year old girl got pregnant and one of our local schools by a 11 year old a few weeks ago. If you think kids that young aren't having sex that young your nuts.
As for the people that think they should call the parents let me ask you a question.
If you were planning on having sex and your school provided you condoms but required that they call your parents first, would you:
A🙂 Get the condom and call your parents
or
B🙂 Just have unprotected sex.
For those that choose A you must have some cool parents growing up, because mine would have beaten me blue.
Edit: I was just reminded that a 10 year old girl got pregnant and one of our local schools by a 11 year old a few weeks ago. If you think kids that young aren't having sex that young your nuts.
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Patranus
Diamond Member
This.
mb
Lifer
Does it really matter why?
Let me put it another way. If your kid is going to have sex, would you rather a condom be used and you not know about it, or would you prefer a condom not be used, and you most likely STILL not know about it, at least until there are consequences (pregnancy, etc)?
shortylickens
No Lifer
Ummmm, I graduated 13 years ago, and people were fucking in junior high.
As for Massachusetts, they have an oddball mix of extreme conservative and extreme liberal views. Makes for some wild ideas sometimes.
darkxshade
Lifer
Patranus
Diamond Member
Kids shouldn't be having sex in elementary school and the school shouldn't be enabling them.
Hell, why don't school start handing out weed. After all, if kids are going to smoke weed why take the risk that the drug dealer might lace the weed.
Hell, why stop at weed, kids might do coke........
mb
Lifer
I was going to be polite, but forget it.. that's just a fucking stupid argument.
I agree they shouldn't be having sex but that's not the issue. It's not a matter of should and should not. People of any age are going to have sex when they want to. The school isn't enabling them. They are going to do it with or without a condom. Would you prefer them do it without a condom because they don't have access to one? You're acting as if they are lining the kids up, giving them all condoms and telling them to start having sex.
You can't expect people to not do something just because you think they shouldn't do it.
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Capt Caveman
Lifer
Welcome to Reality...
RapidSnail
Diamond Member
It's a shame that modern society fails to teach principle and only attacks actions. Sex isn't something to be ashamed of, but extreme liberalism is no better than extreme conservatism. The problem isn't that kids suddenly have sex drives, it's that they aren't being taught how to become mature adults capable of handling these situations, so sex becomes a public "crisis" at early ages when it shouldn't really be.
Condoms may prevent unwanted pregnancies and disease, but it doesn't make a person a strong individual. In fact, I would argue that the concentration on simply avoiding pregnancy and disease somewhat hinders the development of good morals and ethics. Some may laugh at this perspective, but in the middle school setting, and rather most primary levels of education, the focus should be on building strong individuals who are capable of handling these situations without the school having to play the role of parents.
I don't argue that condoms and proper sex education are unnecessary, I just think that more focus is being placed on sexual activity as just another "thing you do" than a more mature activity that requires responsibility. Again, prophylactics alone do not create a responsible adult.
Most of the blame in my opinion is on the parents for not instilling proper behaviors, but certainly the schools seem to miss the mark in their attempt to make up for a lack in family values. Although technology is slowing removing the risk of unwanted pregnancy, I feel as if the primary biological purpose is still procreation, and that young kids shouldn't be having sex until they're capable of making wise decisions (including the possibility of supporting a family; accidents happen). That just doesn't occur very often at the middle school level.
Condoms may prevent unwanted pregnancies and disease, but it doesn't make a person a strong individual. In fact, I would argue that the concentration on simply avoiding pregnancy and disease somewhat hinders the development of good morals and ethics. Some may laugh at this perspective, but in the middle school setting, and rather most primary levels of education, the focus should be on building strong individuals who are capable of handling these situations without the school having to play the role of parents.
I don't argue that condoms and proper sex education are unnecessary, I just think that more focus is being placed on sexual activity as just another "thing you do" than a more mature activity that requires responsibility. Again, prophylactics alone do not create a responsible adult.
Most of the blame in my opinion is on the parents for not instilling proper behaviors, but certainly the schools seem to miss the mark in their attempt to make up for a lack in family values. Although technology is slowing removing the risk of unwanted pregnancy, I feel as if the primary biological purpose is still procreation, and that young kids shouldn't be having sex until they're capable of making wise decisions (including the possibility of supporting a family; accidents happen). That just doesn't occur very often at the middle school level.
mb
Lifer
End yourself.
Patranus
Diamond Member
Both are bad behaviors and should be discouraged.
Your argument is that kids are going to have sex anyways so schools might as well enable them so that they can do it safely.
Similarly, kids are going to do drugs anyways so schools might as well enable them so that they can do it safely.
What makes enabling one behavior any better than enabling any other behavior?
child of wonder
Diamond Member
Weed is illegal.
Sex is not.
BIG difference.
It's not hard to follow the school's logic here.
Condoms should be available to a student if they ask for one. If parents are told of the request, no child will ever ask for a condom. How old must a child be to ask for a condom? Kids can have sex at almost any age so there should be no age requirement.
Unfortunately for the school, they can't win in this scenario.
If the policy works and kids ask for condoms and use them, teen pregnancy and STD transmission will drop. Parents will take the credit.
If the policy does not work and pregnancies and STD transmission fail to drop, parents will blame the school for "enabling" their children to have sex.
Patranus
Diamond Member
Last time I checked a minor cannot consent to having sex.
techs
Lifer
Last I checked there is no law against two children having sex in most states.
mb
Lifer
🙄
I saw you try to make an argument in the iphone unlocking thread.. you're such a tool. You've failed as badly here, if not even more so. :thumbsdown:
Also, LOL at even suggesting that having sex is a bad behavior.
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