Mass rape atrocity in west Sudan

[Czar]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm

More than 100 women have been raped in a single attack carried out by Arab militias in Darfur in western Sudan.
Speaking to the BBC, the United Nations co-ordinator for Sudan, Mukesh Kapila, said the conflict had created the worst humanitarian situation in the world.

He said more than one million people were affected by "ethnic cleansing".

He said the fighting was characterised by a scorched-earth policy and was comparable in character, if not in scale, to the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

"It is more than just a conflict. It is an organised attempt to do away with a group of people," he said.

Arab militias, backed by the government, have driven hundreds of thousands from their homes, in retaliation for a rebellion launched a year ago by two armed groups.

They accused the Arab-dominated government of ignoring the black African inhabitants of Darfur.

More than 100,000 people have fled across the border into Chad, but have continued to face cross-border raids.

 

[sandorski]

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Czar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm

More than 100 women have been raped in a single attack carried out by Arab militias in Darfur in western Sudan.
Speaking to the BBC, the United Nations co-ordinator for Sudan, Mukesh Kapila, said the conflict had created the worst humanitarian situation in the world.

He said more than one million people were affected by "ethnic cleansing".

He said the fighting was characterised by a scorched-earth policy and was comparable in character, if not in scale, to the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

"It is more than just a conflict. It is an organised attempt to do away with a group of people," he said.

Arab militias, backed by the government, have driven hundreds of thousands from their homes, in retaliation for a rebellion launched a year ago by two armed groups.

They accused the Arab-dominated government of ignoring the black African inhabitants of Darfur.

More than 100,000 people have fled across the border into Chad, but have continued to face cross-border raids.

Is the UN gonna fix this?

I doubt it.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Is the UN gonna fix this?

I doubt it.

Is the US going to fix it? Doubt it. (Ah, gotta love politics)

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Is the UN gonna fix this?

I doubt it.

Is the US going to fix it? Doubt it. (Ah, gotta love politics)

But the UN sets such a great example

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
But the UN sets such a great example

The world as a whole has a habit of ignoring what's going on over there. I think both the UN and US have done a piss poor job trying to help people in Africa (Aside from dropping food/med supplies, as if that's really going to fix the problem in the long run). Personally, I think the world is obsessed with the M-E and has a habit of forgetting Africa, even though it has leaders just as (and in some cases more) brutal than Hussein. But, whatever, there's nothing of any worth in Africa anyway, so why care? Right?

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
But the UN sets such a great example

The world as a whole has a habit of ignoring what's going on over there. I think both the UN and US have done a piss poor job trying to help people in Africa (Aside from dropping food/med supplies, as if that's really going to fix the problem in the long run). Personally, I think the world is obsessed with the M-E and has a habit of forgetting Africa, even though it has leaders just as (and in some cases more) brutal than Hussein. But, whatever, there's nothing of any worth in Africa anyway, so why care? Right?

This is what we did in Iraq and GWB is being damned by the Dems for it. Instead of the Dems asking why we aren't going to Sudan but we went to Iraq... tell me if you would support the US going to Sudan and why. (I don't know where GoPackGo stands on the political line on this subject.)

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
But the UN sets such a great example

The world as a whole has a habit of ignoring what's going on over there. I think both the UN and US have done a piss poor job trying to help people in Africa (Aside from dropping food/med supplies, as if that's really going to fix the problem in the long run). Personally, I think the world is obsessed with the M-E and has a habit of forgetting Africa, even though it has leaders just as (and in some cases more) brutal than Hussein. But, whatever, there's nothing of any worth in Africa anyway, so why care? Right?

This is what we did in Iraq and GWB is being damned by the Dems for it. Instead of the Dems asking why we aren't going to Sudan but we went to Iraq... tell me if you would support the US going to Sudan and why. (I don't know where GoPackGo stands on the political line on this subject.)

When attrocities are being committed I feel the UN should intervene.

The sad part about the Iraq example is that Saddam was a menace who was allowed to play cat and mouse with the agreement he signed in 1991 with the same UN.

If the UN would have been bolder the issues with Saddam should have been resolved 10 years ago.

This sets a really bad example for other criminal regimes and the criminals that support them.

I support a UN coalition going into Sudan, but the US should not be the vast majority of troops.

This type of mission is where france,russia,china, and germany in addition to other African nations should be willing to go in and help these people. Yet they don't.

What does that say about them? What does that say about the UN?

Many here say the US shouldn't get involved in being the "Police of the world", but then lets see some of these other nations step up to the plate and do the right thing.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21


This is what we did in Iraq and GWB is being damned by the Dems for it. Instead of the Dems asking why we aren't going to Sudan but we went to Iraq... tell me if you would support the US going to Sudan and why. (I don't know where GoPackGo stands on the political line on this subject.)

Well, let me start by saying that in politics I would be considered a moderate, I don't care much for the political bickering that goes on, I would prefer people working together, not against each other. But it's to late for that, now isn't it? With that said, I can tell you that I would support intervention to stop blatant atrocities/genocide. And since Bush went into Iraq (Whatever the reason), I don't see any reason why he shouldn't send forces into Sudan. Since he's already started this "Save the world from evil dictators/terrorists" campain, why not go all the way? If Bush (and his supporters) want to be taken seriously, they should go after ALL dictators/terrorists and stop being so blatantly selective.

P.S: No, I'm not a Dem, so don't get confused. I just don't like Bush. I think he's a hypocrite.

 

[Romans828]

There just killing Christians.......... chill out

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If the UN would have been bolder the issues with Saddam should have been resolved 10 years ago.

This sets a really bad example for other criminal regimes and the criminals that support them.

Something we agree on, I see. This should have been settled back in 91... If there ever was a right time to remove Hussein, it was in 91.

This type of mission is where france,russia,china, and germany in addition to other African nations should be willing to go in and help these people. Yet they don't.

If I recall correctly, there are UN peacekeepers from those countries in Africa. And if they go into Sudan I'm sure there will be people from those countries included.

 

[JackStorm]

d/p

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Czar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm

More than 100 women have been raped in a single attack carried out by Arab militias in Darfur in western Sudan.
Speaking to the BBC, the United Nations co-ordinator for Sudan, Mukesh Kapila, said the conflict had created the worst humanitarian situation in the world.

He said more than one million people were affected by "ethnic cleansing".

He said the fighting was characterised by a scorched-earth policy and was comparable in character, if not in scale, to the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

"It is more than just a conflict. It is an organised attempt to do away with a group of people," he said.

Arab militias, backed by the government, have driven hundreds of thousands from their homes, in retaliation for a rebellion launched a year ago by two armed groups.

They accused the Arab-dominated government of ignoring the black African inhabitants of Darfur.

More than 100,000 people have fled across the border into Chad, but have continued to face cross-border raids.

Is the UN gonna fix this?

I doubt it.

Well, its a HUMANITARIAN crisis. I guess the U.S. will be gearing up to invade Sudan, here shortly. I doubt Bush is going to be able to use the WMD excuse this time though.

 

[dmcowen674]

Two Words: Population Control

 

[HamSupLo]

4 words: NO OIL IN SUDAN

therefore, they do not pose as a threat to the US.

 

[Romans828]

Its not the lack of oil......... more likely its the fact the victims are Christians and the aggressor is muslim.....

We go in heavy handed and the house of cards start to fall

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Is the UN gonna fix this?

I doubt it.

Is the US going to fix it? Doubt it. (Ah, gotta love politics)

If there was oil over there Bush would be all for a war. Wonder if he could find WMDs over there?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: jooksing
4 words: NO OIL IN SUDAN

therefore, they do not pose as a threat to the US.

Google is your friend, just type Sudan Oil

It is Population Control to rid the zones of Oil Exploration of people that are in the way. There is some trees in Sudan unlike the deserts a bit further East.

Sudan: Oil Companies Fuel War

The civil war in Sudan, which has killed 2 million people and displaced more than 4 million is being fuelled by oil companies' drive to mine the country's resources. The Government of Sudan is employing a deliberate scorched earth policy of Southern villagers in order to make way for oil exploration in southern Sudan.

I. Scorched earth for oil exploration:

Since the discovery of oil in the Upper Nile region of Southern Sudan, hundreds of thousands of villagers have been terrorised into leaving their homes. Government forces and militias have killed civilians, destroyed harvests, looted livestock and burned houses. The Government is also using relief as a weapon of war and a strategy to empty the oil-producing areas.

A network of foreign oil companies, Talisman Energy (Canada), Lundin Oil (Sweden), OMV (Austria), Petronas (Malaysia) and CNPC (China) provide the expertise, finance and technology for Sudan's oil industry. They have built production and refining facilities and financed the building of the 1,600 km pipeline between the fields and the Red sea. These key players as well as Royal Dutch Shell and British companies Weir Pumps, Rolls Royce and BP, which are indirectly involved in Sudan's oil industry, are complicit in massive human rights violations.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Czar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm

More than 100 women have been raped in a single attack carried out by Arab militias in Darfur in western Sudan.
Speaking to the BBC, the United Nations co-ordinator for Sudan, Mukesh Kapila, said the conflict had created the worst humanitarian situation in the world.

He said more than one million people were affected by "ethnic cleansing".

He said the fighting was characterised by a scorched-earth policy and was comparable in character, if not in scale, to the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

"It is more than just a conflict. It is an organised attempt to do away with a group of people," he said.

Arab militias, backed by the government, have driven hundreds of thousands from their homes, in retaliation for a rebellion launched a year ago by two armed groups.

They accused the Arab-dominated government of ignoring the black African inhabitants of Darfur.

More than 100,000 people have fled across the border into Chad, but have continued to face cross-border raids.

Is the UN gonna fix this?

I doubt it.

That would require actual countries wanting to fix this. And as it is right now, nobody - not the US, France, UK, Germany, Japan, etc. - is going to see any gain out of fixing this. So in the end, nobody is going to bother with this.

 

[nutxo]

nm

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Is the UN gonna fix this?

I doubt it.

Is the US going to fix it? Doubt it. (Ah, gotta love politics)

If there was oil over there Bush would be all for a war. Wonder if he could find WMDs over there?

Oil is there, no war. You are a fool.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: classy
If there was oil over there Bush would be all for a war. Wonder if he could find WMDs over there?

I don't pretend to know what Bush is or isn't thinking. I leave that to the partisan hacks. So I wouldn't know if he was doing it for oil or not.

As for Bush not doing anything, well, News flash!: "No one is doing anything" just because I dislike Bush, doesn't mean I'm going to single him out over this issue. If, however, neither Bush or the UN do anything, my opinion of both said parties will effectivly sink to a all time low.