Mass Psychosis and the Conservative Mind:

Moonbeam

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Can our nation be saved from madness. Obama is a socialist, Obama is a Muslim, madness is everywere and the cure will not be easy. The situation may in fact be hopeless:

Delusional Disorder Treatment
By Psych Central Staff
Table of Contents •Psychotherapy
•Medications
•Self-Help

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Psychotherapy
Psychotherapy is usually the most effective help in person suffering from delusional disorder. The overriding important factor in this therapy is the quality of the patient/therapist relationship. Trust is a key issue, as is unconditional support. If the client believes that the therapist really does think he or she is "crazy," the therapy can terminate abruptly. Early in the therapy, it is vital not to directly challenge the delusion system or beliefs and instead to concentrate on realistic and concrete problems and goals within the person's life.
Once a firm, supportive therapeutic relationship has been established, the therapist can begin reinforcing positive gains and behaviors the individual makes in his or her life, such as in educational or occupational gains. It is important to reinforce these life events (such as getting a job), because it reinforces in the patient a sense of self-confidence and self-reliance.

Only when the client has begun to feel more secure in their social or occupational world can more productive work be accomplished in therapy. This involves the gradual but gentle challenging of the client's delusional beliefs, starting with the smallest and least-important items. Occasionally making these types of gentle challenges throughout therapy will give the clinician a greater understanding of how far along the individual has come. If the patient refuses to give up his or her delusion beliefs, even the smallest ones, then therapy is likely to be very long-term. Even if the client is willing, therapy is likely to take a fair amount of time, from at least 6 months to a year.

Clinicians should always be very direct and honest, especially with people who suffer from delusion disorder. Professionals should be even more careful than usual not to impinge on the client's privacy or confidentiality, and to say plainly what they mean in therapy sessions. Subtlety and sarcasm may be easily misinterpreted by the patient. Therapy approaches which focus on insight or self-knowledge may not be as beneficial as those stressing social skills training and other behaviorally and solution-oriented therapies.



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Medications
Suggesting the use of medication for use in this disorder, while possibly indicated to help temporarily relieve the delusions, is usually difficult. The client may be suspicious of any professional suggesting the use of a medication and therefore this treatment approach (and successful maintenance of the individual on the medication) is problematic.
Anti-psychotic medication is the preferred medication used, though, although it is only marginally effective. There are few studies done which confirm the use of any specific medications for this disorder.

Hospitalization should be avoided at all costs, since this will usually go to reinforce the individual's distorted cognitive schema. Partial hospitalization and/or day treatment programs are preferred to help manage the individual under close supervision on a daily basis.

Phillip W. Long, M.D. writes that "other treatments have been tried (electroconvulsive therapy, insulin shock therapy, and psychosurgery), but these approaches are not recommended."
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Anybody have any better ideas?

The conservative mind is like a wild animal that is injured and caught in a trap. You can't walk up and free it or bandage its wounds.

How can you tell an injured wild animal you want to help it. All you can do is feel sad, a sadness so so so so deep it's like dying. Why, Almighty God. were we created to feel such pain, to look into the eyes of a beautiful child and watch them dying too.
 

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diesbudt

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The conservative mind is like a wild animal that is injured and caught in a trap. You can't walk up and free it or bandage its wounds.

If that is the conservative mind, than the liberal mind is Icarus from the greek/roman mythology.

I will let you figure out what that means.
 

thraashman

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Conservatives may very well be insane, but Moonbeam you are not the proper person to be judging that.
 

Moonbeam

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Conservatives may very well be insane, but Moonbeam you are not the proper person to be judging that.

You are not the proper person to be judging whether I'm the proper person to be judging, and um, what was I judging, by the way?
 

diesbudt

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Actually one was a simile and one was a metaphor. Yours was the metaphor.


Actually my simile/metaphor used the word "is". As "is" and "like" determine a simile over a metaphor, which shoulds comparison or characteristics without the use of words linking the 2.
 

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Actually my simile/metaphor used the word "is". As "is" and "like" determine a simile over a metaphor, which shoulds comparison or characteristics without the use of words linking the 2.

It's actually "as" and "like" that differentiate a simile from a metaphor.
 

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Conservatives may very well be insane, but Moonbeam you are not the proper person to be judging that.

I think Moonbeam is a conservative. He comes off as a preacher who hates gays then goes and sucks dudes off in a public bathroom. He is what he hates.
 

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I think Moonbeam is a conservative. He comes off as a preacher who hates gays then goes and sucks dudes off in a public bathroom. He is what he hates.


a closet clansman is more like it. The clan after all is a democrat core historical organization.
 

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Moonie the mass psychosis you are so infatuated about (this is not your first thread eluding to some mental disability of republicans) doesn't apply to just one side. The true mass psychosis is blind partisan hacks from both sides of the isle. And you are hardly exempt.
 

Moonbeam

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If that is the conservative mind, than the liberal mind is Icarus from the greek/roman mythology.

I will let you figure out what that means.

Yes, it means that a lot of myths were created by people who were ignorant of scientific facts, like the fact that the higher you fly the colder it gets, and that even still today, conservatives will use myths that subscribe to false reasoning to support their delusional conclusions as you just did.
 

Moonbeam

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Moonie the mass psychosis you are so infatuated about (this is not your first thread eluding to some mental disability of republicans) doesn't apply to just one side. The true mass psychosis is blind partisan hacks from both sides of the isle. And you are hardly exempt.

You conveniently ignore the science that shows that conservative are the ones who are more susceptable to this because you live in a bubble of ignorance.

http://www.alternet.org/right-wing-...vatives-ignore-facts-more-liberals?paging=off
 

diesbudt

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Yes, it means that a lot of myths were created by people who were ignorant of scientific facts, like the fact that the higher you fly the colder it gets, and that even still today, conservatives will use myths that subscribe to false reasoning to support their delusional conclusions as you just did.

Not even close Moon. I didn't say the physics behind the metaphor. Or the "factual" version.

(Also, not a conservative. So nice try on that)

If you are correct in your assessment. Then mine is in thus the liberal mind is so free and blinded by the clouds in such a way it thinks it knows what it is doing, when in reality it doesn't and thus fails and comes crashing down.

See? You metaphored a something in a trap on the ground. I metaphored the opposite which is soaring too high (in which the wings and glue holding them together get burned up).

(aka, find the middle ground. I personally have met more self spoken democrats that are what your original post ment than republicans. Not saying it as a democrat thing, but thats just how people are. Blinded by partisan instead of finding a position that is a win for everyone, including the nation. And not just the government and power)
 

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You conveniently ignore the science that shows that conservative are the ones who are more susceptable to this because you live in a bubble of ignorance.

http://www.alternet.org/right-wing-...vatives-ignore-facts-more-liberals?paging=off


Not true. Democrats ignore the same amount of facts. It is shown every 4 years. The "science" behind that is balonga, and fudged up with too few figures.

I bet if we did a brain scan on everyone in this nation, I bet we would find just as many ignoring facts/possible murders/crazy people on both sides. And even those in the middle. Because, everyone is different.
 
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I would just like to point out that ECT is moderately effective for psychosis due to schizophrenia. And that sometimes hospitalisation benefits more than harms the psychotic individual, because of greater levels of drug monitoring and doctor patient interaction.
 

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I would just like to point out that ECT is moderately effective for psychosis due to schizophrenia. And that sometimes hospitalisation benefits more than harms the psychotic individual, because of greater levels of drug monitoring and doctor patient interaction.

I don't think that conservatives are suffering from true schizophrenia.
 

Moonbeam

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Not true. Democrats ignore the same amount of facts. It is shown every 4 years. The "science" behind that is balonga, and fudged up with too few figures.

I bet if we did a brain scan on everyone in this nation, I bet we would find just as many ignoring facts/possible murders/crazy people on both sides. And even those in the middle. Because, everyone is different.

"Gravity doesn't work either." And besides, what sort of a dim wit when presented with scientific evidence denies it out of hand. That is conservative thinking. Don't you see how sad that is? Don't like the science, deny it. You are brain dead.
 

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"Gravity doesn't work either." And besides, what sort of a dim wit when presented with scientific evidence denies it out of hand. That is conservative thinking. Don't you see how sad that is? Don't like the science, deny it. You are brain dead.

You do not understand science at all. I can see that now.

First, what this evidence shows is just a correlated theory. No test on how to back it up, and no way to prove with all other factors eliminated thus that X causes or is caused because of Y. Science is all about theory. They change every so often. Just look at astro-physics. Those theories get proven and then disproven so often.

Second, That evidence is too little to show anything. Being presented with evidence, means multiple tests were done by multiple people (to show the test and results are copiable and thus conclusive) getting the same results. However, what is shown is a correlation. A connection between the 2, but not a cause and effect. And thus can be skewed one way or another, in favor of who is really doing the "science" behind that.

Third, is it Sad? If giving you logic (which is science) at why your post about delusions is in itself very disillusional, based off not having near the right or enough amount of evidence and can be influenced very easily by bias-ness as there is no real test involved to have results duplicated by multiple researchers is sad, then there is nothing happy.

Also if you think about it, my "evidence" at why your "evidence" isn't "evidence" because of how science works, and yet you delude yourself to believe otherwise. And then based on your post in P&N, means biasness behind it, pointing you as a liberal/democrat. Thus it can be inferred based on YOUR OWN POST. Demo/Librals are also delusioned about ignoring the facts and evidence. Therefore, disproves your original post of it being a conservative/republican based issue moreso.

/Checkmate.


And to the rest of the liberal/democrats on these forms. I am sorry he (moon) is on your "side", he really hurts some of the intelligent ones reputation on here