Marvel changing their iconic super heros in the name of diversity

[Sonikku]

Ever notice how comic book women always have really huge ass tits? I mean holy crap. How do they fight crime with those things?

 

[Skel]

You guys still call this political correctness for some reason. I think it has to do with a business trying to capture long untapped markets. On top of that, you have more minority individuals working in the industry than before.

Far too often, OWMSJWs (not you, shorty) cry and bitch about "Political Correctness"! when the real answer is that it's simply business. These characters have long been reinvented and tested in ways that bothered their fans, without ever having been criticized as being "politically corrected." The precedence is already there that this would happen and will continue to happen; and you don't make new characters because these characters already own huge markets of their own.

You keep as much of that market as you can, then try to expand it into new fans that might not have otherwise paid attention.

*now, waits for OroorOrroo or boomerang or some other OWMSJW to bitch and complain that such fans are the real racists for suddenly being interested in a character only because it "looks like them."

Doesn't anyone remember Spawn and the broohaha when that first released?

You're completely right.. The goal of Marvel is to reach new markets and expand the existing. Comics are in a downward sales spiral and have been for some time. Marvel's just attempting to be everything to everyone by creating "their Captain America". I do think they're missing the mark with this effort as problem with comic sales is a lot more about distro than characters but even then there's still a lot more to it. Personally I'm not a fan of MarvelNOW, I'm more of a create new and the old will fade away. I think the plan they seem to keep doing of replacing major characters with minority versions has more to creating 'outrage' which is really 'publicity' to Marvel, than really caring if some girl has a Thor she can play on the playground. I do, however also get why people are bothered by it. I've been reading comics for around 35 years. Some of the characters I've had in my life longer than most of my friends. It's sad to watch them get discounted, and hard not to have any feelings like I'm the one being told my cool isn't cool anymore.. it's the same issue most people have when getting older.. it's all fun and games until it's in your face..

i know right. last i checked Thor was still the SON of Odin. is Marvel going to rewrite ancient Norse mythology as well?

Marvel's Thor has always been tied to the hammer. It states something of the like "whoever holds this hammer gets the power of Thor". They've done the other people have picked up the hammer and had his powers before. This time around it's a bit different as everyone's calling her Thor, and the Thor who's the son of Odin is calling himself "Odinson" until he becomes worthy again to hold the hammer.. they had some stupid (Nick Fury whispered something in Thor's ear that made him unworthy) plot on how he lost most of his powers. I'm sure Odinson will be back to Thor by the next movie.. they'll just have 2 of htem running around.. goes with the 3 Spider-Men and 2 Cap Americas..

 

[JEDI]

What Marvel Hopes to Achieve with the Changing of Race/Gender in Pre-Existing Characters

lets see..
medusa, Scarlett witch, iron man, ???, and man
winter soldier, ???, thor, capt America, ???, deathlok

someone fill in the ???

 

[JEDI]

There, fixed the name for you.

complete with her butt hole pics.

(she seems obsessed with her body part)

 

[Skel]

lets see..
medusa, Scarlett witch, iron man, ???, and man
winter soldier, ???, thor, capt America, ???, deathlok

someone fill in the ???

Medusa, Scarlett witch, iron man, Dr.Strange, Ant man
winter soldier, Angela (a Neil Gaiman character that he sold to Marvel to piss of Todd McFarlane) , thor, capt America, (not sure yet.. think it's Hellstorm edit: Turns out it's Inferno a Inhuman character that was created within the past few years), deathlok

 

[nakedfrog]

Ever notice how comic book women always have really huge ass tits? I mean holy crap. How do they fight crime with those things?

Huge ass-tits, finally a way to make both ass men and breast men happy.

 

[dr150]

I don't care.

Can they act ?

If it's in the comics, I really don't care.

If it's Denzel or Morgan Freeman in it, then yes they can act.

 

[Craig234]

Maybe we need to make Shaft white, or Kato a white girl.

Right, because whites were terribly underrepresented because of bigotry against them. Same thing as the other races.

 

[jcwagers]

That wasn't his point. The point is authenticity. If a character is white, leave them white. If a character is black, asian, indian, etc.... LEAVE IT ALONE. By fiddling with it, you mess with the structure of the character. It seems like the big thing is to screw with things that were fine the way they were. Movies and comics just can't seem to do new stories or characters. They just have to change fundamental things about existing ones. It's pretty crazy how much money they'll waste to try to earn more....

 

[OutHouse]

Right, because whites were terribly underrepresented because of bigotry against them. Same thing as the other races.

so your solution is to change the race and gender of long iconic superheros? yea that makes sense.

 

[BudAshes]

If there's one thing the Thor comics have been known for, it's their slavish adherence to remaining canonical with the ancient Norse myths.

 

[master_shake_]

Ever notice how comic book women always have really huge ass tits? I mean holy crap. How do they fight crime with those things?

something about tight clothing makes them hold still?

 

[BudAshes]

That wasn't his point. The point is authenticity. If a character is white, leave them white. If a character is black, asian, indian, etc.... LEAVE IT ALONE. By fiddling with it, you mess with the structure of the character. It seems like the big thing is to screw with things that were fine the way they were. Movies and comics just can't seem to do new stories or characters. They just have to change fundamental things about existing ones. It's pretty crazy how much money they'll waste to try to earn more....

I really doubt the worst thing the writers do to continuity is change peoples race/gender. They have no problem ignoring entire time lines, killing and restoring characters on a whim and basically doing whatever pops into their head that day. If you want to worry about continuity and authenticity I would find a new art medium to enjoy.

 

[nakedfrog]

That wasn't his point. The point is authenticity. If a character is white, leave them white. If a character is black, asian, indian, etc.... LEAVE IT ALONE. By fiddling with it, you mess with the structure of the character. It seems like the big thing is to screw with things that were fine the way they were. Movies and comics just can't seem to do new stories or characters. They just have to change fundamental things about existing ones. It's pretty crazy how much money they'll waste to try to earn more....

I mean, they've already made fundamental changes and then retconned them in the past...

What about something like Marvel 1602? Should that not have been done based on your argument?

 

[jcwagers]

You're missing the point as well. Is this a life altering problem? Of course not. However, it's annoying to see things that you associate with your childhood changed......for no other reason than just because they can. I realize that they skip and change things and kill and restore constantly. However, the killing and restoring generally affects the SAME character, not one that they've decided to change race/gender on. I know the times are hard on the comic business and most of the money now comes from movies and merchandising but still.......leave the characters and their origins alone.

 

[jcwagers]

I mean, they've already made fundamental changes and then retconned them in the past...

What about something like Marvel 1602? Should that not have been done based on your argument?

My apologies, I'm not familiar with Marvel 1602. I'm guessing it was characters thrown back in time or alternate universe back in the year 1602? And, I apologize if it's coming off as an argument. That's not my intention. I'm just voicing my opinion on the foolishness of changing things that don't need changed. As I said earlier, it's their business, they can do what they want.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

something about tight clothing makes them hold still?

You're meaning to tell me you've never been beat up by a pair of huge knockers? They can hurt!

 

[Craig234]

so your solution is to change the race and gender of long iconic superheros? yea that makes sense.

Two separate issues. You're trying to change the subject from claiming that whites have been discriminated against the same as blacks.

 

[Craig234]

My apologies, I'm not familiar with Marvel 1602. I'm guessing it was characters thrown back in time or alternate universe back in the year 1602? And, I apologize if it's coming off as an argument. That's not my intention. I'm just voicing my opinion on the foolishness of changing things that don't need changed. As I said earlier, it's their business, they can do what they want.

You know, my first reaction to their changing is annoyance as well, but it seems unlike you, I'm able to appreciate the wrong of the history and have some tolerance for righting it some.

This isn't about 'this is their business' - if what they are doing is wrong you can criticize it. But shouldn't there have been a little diversity all along?

 

[nakedfrog]

You know, my first reaction to their changing is annoyance as well, but it seems unlike you, I'm able to appreciate the wrong of the history and have some tolerance for righting it some.

This isn't about 'this is their business' - if what they are doing is wrong you can criticize it. But shouldn't there have been a little diversity all along?

To be fair, it started out being created by a bunch of white dudes (and generally consumed by same) so I don't think you can really fault them there.

 

[Craig234]

To be fair, it started out being created by a bunch of white dudes (and generally consumed by same) so I don't think you can really fault them there.

True, but that was part of the larger problem - it wasn't like they'd hire black people to make them, and it wasn't like there was any interest in the black market (or others).

It might be better to have 'spinoff' lines though with the new versions of the heroes - not like they haven't done that. Can't please everyone.

I guess it's a little like the history of advertising - where mainstream things would be white people, and if there were minorities, it wasn't especially flattering (e.g., Aunt Jemima).

I'm guessing it is mostly a money grab in the face of declining sales and demographic shifts.

 

[nakedfrog]

True, but that was part of the larger problem - it wasn't like they'd hire black people to make them, and it wasn't like there was any interest in the black market (or others).

It might be better to have 'spinoff' lines though with the new versions of the heroes - not like they haven't done that. Can't please everyone.

I guess it's a little like the history of advertising - where mainstream things would be white people, and if there were minorities, it wasn't especially flattering (e.g., Aunt Jemima).

I'm guessing it is mostly a money grab in the face of declining sales and demographic shifts.

I don't know that there's all that much point in doing spin-off lines--of the people kvetching about it in this thread, how many of them have bought any Marvel comics in the last decade?

 

[OutHouse]

Two separate issues. You're trying to change the subject from claiming that whites have been discriminated against the same as blacks.

Wtf? please quote me on how I am trying to change the subject to this stupid rabbit hole you are blabbering about.

I am still waiting for the answer to my question. dont be afraid, its ok if you cant answer it, we understand.

 

[DeathReborn]

So will Thanos become a Inuit red girl soon? Diversity and all...

 

[jcwagers]

I don't have a problem with diversity on some things but I do have a problem with being diverse with things like this. Would people have bought the NBA games if Michael Jordan was suddenly changed into a white guy? What if Hulk Hogan was fired and they put an Asian guy in and called him Hulk Hogan? I realize that these are real examples and the thread is about imaginary characters but the point remains. Nobody else in the world will ever be Hulk Hogan or Michael Jordan. It seems like jumping on the diversity train here will fragment the readers that are still around even more. Again, not trying to start any arguments.....just giving an opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree.....it's your right to do so. For me, the originals will always be the true characters, no matter how much they change it.