Marvel changing their iconic super heros in the name of diversity

[Skel]

I think he's just a regular person with good hand to hand skills and tactics.
Just like when the Punisher became capt America for a short while.

how the hell does a normal person compete with the bad guys Steve 'super soldier serum' Rogers fought?
meh

He's a bit more than that.. he doesn't have suped up strength or speed, he can talk to birds.. really.. he has some telepathic link to them. He got the job of Cap America due to his being a long time side kick going all the way back to the 70s when Marvel was doing a thousand stories about integration of races.

I do think that it would be better to just create new characters than to just change the old characters. I think it is also nonsense to just change a given character to reach a target group just like that.
The proper way is to let their powers transfer to another by some freak experiment or let them die. That is how it was done in the 20 years ago in marvel comics and is the proper way. For example captain marvel was originally male but died of cancer. The next captain marvel was a white woman called Carol Danvers who lost her powers because Rogue took them from them. The new captain Marvel after that is a black woman called Monica Rambeau with the ability to channel all kinds of em energy. After that, i lost track.

Backwards.. After Mar-Vell died (and somehow has stayed dead... for the most part) Monica Rambeau came next. Danvers was "Ms. Marvel" until a few years ago when they wanted a Wonder Woman level character for Marvel. The title of Ms. Marvel has gone to a complete new character (a Pakistani Muslim) that's surprisingly interesting and well written. Rambeau has gone on to the title of "Spectrum"

Half of this is right. It's about limiting risk. All comic companies put out new characters and stories every year. Those most likely to get traction build on an established brand. Outliers like Walking Dead make people believe that comic readers want new stories and new characters, but the numbers never bear that out. Batman still rules in terms of sales and fans couldn't even accept Grayson taking the mantle, despite excellent storytelling with him in the role.

It's a limitation of the audience which has failed to be grown despite the bombastic movie franchises building from these pantheons.

The problem with the Grayson Batman stories were comics as a whole has gone to that well too many times. Everyone knew it was just a place holder until Wayne came back, so the stories were treated like they didn't matter. It's a massive issue with the medium and the idea these stories have gone on (in Batman's case over 50 years) so long that there's very little one can do that's new. Even long running replacements are over turned (like Green Lateran who wasn't Hal Jordan for over a decade) has jaded jsut about anyone that's collected for any amount of time. It reminds me of a story I heard Hulk Hogan saying about wrestling in the 80s vs now.. with events happening every month, what used to be year long storylines now last a couple of months at most. That's how it is with the replacements. It's also the main reason why most people I know really aren't too concerned about this approach Marvel is doing. Odds are it won't sell well, and Marvel with bring back the original characters in some over-hyped event, much like DC is currently doing with "Rebirth". Having said all that.. I still don't personally care for what Marvel is doing.. mostly because it dilutes the characters when you have multiple versions running around. Shooter (the EIC of Marvel back in the 80s) was really big about not diluting IPs as that's what drew people to them.. that's how I learned, and I agree with.

I should note with respect to the feet of X 23, seen the amounts of little bones a foot has to maintain agility... I am surprised to see such a large (bone) claw in a foot.
I guess the artists at Marvel did not have biology classes. A tiny claw could be possible but not that long. Also, sometimes the artists draw the hand claws longer then the forearm is.
Which is also a flaw. Even in the movies, this can be seen.

You can't pick up airplanes without them shredding apart.. you can't do 99.999999999999999% of the crap in comics.. it's a comic. a lot of it you just have to accept, including a 'claw' that couldn't possibly be housed in a arm/foot. Does make me think of Garth Ennis writing up the Boys where he talked about Wolverine being a chronic masturbator as it was the only way his arms would be big enough to hold the claws..

 

[William Gaatjes]

He's a bit more than that.. he doesn't have suped up strength or speed, he can talk to birds.. really.. he has some telepathic link to them. He got the job of Cap America due to his being a long time side kick going all the way back to the 70s when Marvel was doing a thousand stories about integration of races.



Backwards.. After Mar-Vell died (and somehow has stayed dead... for the most part) Monica Rambeau came next. Danvers was "Ms. Marvel" until a few years ago when they wanted a Wonder Woman level character for Marvel. The title of Ms. Marvel has gone to a complete new character (a Pakistani Muslim) that's surprisingly interesting and well written. Rambeau has gone on to the title of "Spectrum"

Well, when i was younger, i did not have the us comics but translated ones. And the time frames where a bit of,. because not all comics were translated and published but re-editted and published.
So, i can be wrong about that.

You can't pick up airplanes without them shredding apart.. you can't do 99.999999999999999% of the crap in comics.. it's a comic. a lot of it you just have to accept, including a 'claw' that couldn't possibly be housed in a arm/foot. Does make me think of Garth Ennis writing up the Boys where he talked about Wolverine being a chronic masturbator as it was the only way his arms would be big enough to hold the claws..

Of course you cannot pick up a 30.000kg plane without going through a 3mm thick aluminum hull. At least in one of the superman movies, it looked like he was grabbing on to some load baring structure in one of the movies when he flies the plane from the inside out to land it, if i remember correctly. And of course it is science fiction. But a little bit trying to give it some reality would be fun. At least the Japanese figured this out in several movies and manga comics, cartoons when their mutants obviously are deformed because of the needed structures to support lasers or brute strength or energy storage.
And wolverine being buffed, that is easily explained as to why all mutants are stronger, their bodies have to cope with the increased strain because of the mutation , an evolutionary advantage and a lot of physical practice. so only a body belonging to a top olympic sports figure fits that.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I was actually imagining Jackman with huge comic book tits instead of pecs, so you can imagine how disappointing this is.

This nsfw might help ?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122815/4466177-x-23.jpg

 

[TeeJay1952]

Must be hell to do her makeup!

 

[BlitzPuppet]

......no...

You have not lived good sir.