Martin Luther King day. Edit: I have a dream added.

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I think its been a tough year for race relations in the US. It seems that the Katrina fiasco encouraged a national outpouring of hate and derision against "them". I mean the morons in New Orleans who looted, shot at cops, etc. The question is who they really were.
I believe many people vented their hatred of African Americans during the aftermath of Katrina. Even at ATOT many posts seemed to be directed not at individuals but at black people. My personal email was flooded with pictures of black people with captions that could only be considered racist.
In fact if you look at the "alternate" agenda in America, by that I mean the neo-cons, either thru accident or design it is an agenda that appeals to racists.
School vouchers so their kids don't have to go to school with blacks.
Ending Medicaid because of the perception it primarily helps blacks (it doesn't).
Ending welfare because of the perception it primarily helps blacks (it doesn't).
Changing Social Security into an investment plan because people believe they would do better than blacks (they won't).
Black and poor seem to be used interchangably.
Perhaps the biggest step backward we have taken is the attitude that we now live in a color blind society where blacks have equal opportunity and if they are poor or fail it is not because they are black. Of course the racists agree with this they just think they do fail because blacks are inferior.
All in all a mixed year.
Some progress in that people are actually talking about a black woman running for Vice President or even President.
Yet even that seems naive when you consider you automatically give up the "racist" vote which is very powerful still in America.
As people who lived thru the turblent 50's and 60's get older these people who particpated in segregation and sometimes murder want some sort of redemption by believing they gave black people the chance to advance themselves yet many didn't. Absolving themselves from blame for mistakes in their past but coming to an erroneous conclusion in the present.
 

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I hear a lot of people say its a problem with the black community. So is there really a "black community" or are we just washing our hands of having to deal with the problem? Same goes for the other "communities".
 

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Here's the famous I have a dream speech in its entirety.

"I Have a Dream"

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as
the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow
we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous
decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves
who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a
joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years
later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of
segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the
Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of
material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished
in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own
land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When
the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the
Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a
promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a
promise that all men - yes, black men as well as white men - would be
guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note
insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this
sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a
check that has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We
refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of
opportunity of this nation. And so we've come to cash this check, a check
that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and security of justice.
We have also come to his hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce
urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to
take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the
promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and
desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the
time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid
rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of
God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment.
This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass
until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen
sixty-three is not an end but a beginning. Those who hoped that the Negro
needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude
awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither
rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship
rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of
our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the
warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of
gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us
not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of
bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high
plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to
degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the
majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous
new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to
a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced
by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied
up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is
inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always
march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the
devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be
satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of
police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy
with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways
and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's
basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be
satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed
of their dignity by signs stating "for whites only." We cannot be satisfied as
long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York
believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no we are not satisfied and
we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and
righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great
trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells.
Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you
battered by storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police
brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to
work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South
Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums
and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can
and will be changed.

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today my
friends - so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I
still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the
true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of
former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down
together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state
sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression,
will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation
where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content
of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists,
with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition
and nullification - one day right there in Alabama little black boys and
black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as
sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every
hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain,
and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord
shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with.
With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a
stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling
discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this
faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle
together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing
that we will be free one day.

This will be the day, this will be the day when all of God's children will
be able to sing with new meaning "My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of
liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my father's died, land of the Pilgrim's
pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring!"

And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. And so
let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let
freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring
from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.


Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado. Let
freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.


But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.


Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.


Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi - from
every mountainside.


Let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow
freedom ring - when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet,
from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when
all of God's children - black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,
Protestants and Catholics - will be able to join hands and sing in the words
of the old Negro spiritual: "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty,
we are free at last!"


 

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Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.
 
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I agree this was a painful year for race relations. Katrina was a real black eye (no pun intended) on our nation, and during those ragged few days after the disaster, I was stunned and saddened by the racist sentiments that were dragged into the open.

I don't think - at all - that President Bush was solely responsible for the disappointing government response to Katrina, but I felt his reaction, or lack thereof, set a tone for the country that this wasn't a big deal. I don't think it was tied to the race of the victims, but to their socioeconomic status. I simply don't believe the reaction would have been the same or even similar if this hurricane had struck Hilton Head, and the lackadaisical reaction of Bush, Chertoff, Brownie et al lent itself to the interpretation that "George Bush doesn't care about black people." Sad indeed.
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.
 
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

How is MLK Day a "black holiday?"
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men are created equal."

Let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow
freedom ring - when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet,
from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when
all of God's children - black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,
Protestants and Catholics - will be able to join hands and sing in the words
of the old Negro spiritual: "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty,
we are free at last!"

 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

Okay.... but you get to go Boston and New York and give the news in all the Irish and Italian bars/societies/sections of those cities why St. Patrick's day and Columbus Day are cancelled!

 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

Okay.... but you get to go Boston and New York and give the news in all the Irish and Italian bars/societies/sections of those cities why St. Patrick's day and Columbus Day are cancelled!

Irish is a nationality, not a race. :)

 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

Okay.... but you get to go Boston and New York and give the news in all the Irish and Italian bars/societies/sections of those cities why St. Patrick's day and Columbus Day are cancelled!

Irish is a nationality, not a race. :)
Granted but the Irish willingly came here. They knew their was discrimination against them but they chose to come. Blacks were kidnapped and brought here against their will. Then even after the end of slavery the government conspired to deny them their rights.
btw how many African Americans would like to have a day celebrating their ancestral nationality but can't since most don't even know it due to slavery?

 

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"Give me an opportunity, not a handout."

--Martin Luther King Jr.

The laws in the book are the same for white and black people. The opportunity's are all there. Discrimination on race is illegal. Anything more is a handout. God bless Martin Luther King Jr. as he must be turning over in his grave over the sad state of civil rights' affairs today.

I personally feel it's better to be color blind than to obsess over racial issues.
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

Okay.... but you get to go Boston and New York and give the news in all the Irish and Italian bars/societies/sections of those cities why St. Patrick's day and Columbus Day are cancelled!

Irish is a nationality, not a race. :)
Granted but the Irish willingly came here. They knew their was discrimination against them but they chose to come. Blacks were kidnapped and brought here against their will. Then even after the end of slavery the government conspired to deny them their rights.
btw how many African Americans would like to have a day celebrating their ancestral nationality but can't since most don't even know it due to slavery?

My point was, and Im not sure what you were getting at, You can have black Irishman, Asian Irishman ect , you cannot have white black people, asian black people ect. If you have a day celebrating your nationailty, that is different than having a day to celebrate your race.
 

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school vouchers are not to segregate. black and white will get them. will enable a child to be able to go to a school where he can be taught abc's, not crime
nobody wants to get rid of medicare and medicaid. they want the people who are not qualified to get off their arses and go to work. and support the country instead of the country supporting them.
the black people, like the white people have equal oppurtunity. some are rich, some are poor. but they all pull their weight and enjoy a good life. now the nig$ers is another story.
everybody knows abt them, but most are scared to admit it.
 

RichardE

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Would that be the white neo nazi gangs, the mexican gaings, M-13 gangs? or maybe the black gangs? Could it be the white gang who rules the country? Or are you that blind and racist that you cannot see the fact that violence and rampant abuse of the law occurs outside of your little sphere of "the black people are the problem".
 

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In fact if you look at the "alternate" agenda in America, by that I mean the neo-cons, either thru accident or design it is an agenda that appeals to racists.
School vouchers so their kids don't have to go to school with blacks.
Huh? School voucher so that their kids don't have to go to crappy public schools is more like it.
Ending Medicaid because of the perception it primarily helps blacks (it doesn't).
Where the heck does this summation come from?
Ending welfare because of the perception it primarily helps blacks (it doesn't).
How about ending someone's *dependence* on welfare?
Changing Social Security into an investment plan because people believe they would do better than blacks (they won't).
Once again, where the heck does this come from?
Black and poor seem to be used interchangably.
You make many incorrect assumptions.
Perhaps the biggest step backward we have taken is the attitude that we now live in a color blind society where blacks have equal opportunity and if they are poor or fail it is not because they are black. Of course the racists agree with this they just think they do fail because blacks are inferior.

The easiest way to get rid of racism is to ignore race. That's a two-way street.
 

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
The easiest way to get rid of racism is to ignore race. That's a two-way street.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I tend to agree, but I think the problem with this idea is that it almost always focuses on actions by or for minorities, ignoring the still very real problem with race among the majority. Ignoring race does indeed mean things like ignoring racial preference on job applications, but it only works if it works both ways...don't give a preference to a black guy, but don't mark him down for it either. The former is a problem, but the latter is still an issue in this country.
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

Okay.... but you get to go Boston and New York and give the news in all the Irish and Italian bars/societies/sections of those cities why St. Patrick's day and Columbus Day are cancelled!

Irish is a nationality, not a race. :)


Interesting duplicity.
 

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I think pedophiles are the only group that are still majorly discriminated against and publicly hated. All other groups have been accepted but for some reason people think it is ok to hate and even threaten violence to pedophiles publicly. Well, given how quickly society's attitude has changed towards homosexuals, I think pedohpiles have a chance.Maybe another ten years and Martin Luther King Jr's dream of a society that is not judgemental of superficialities will be realised!
 

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locked?
Not.
but the mod is right. I wanted to call attention to the amazing premonition that Ike had when he saw the devastation of the holocaust.
Ike certainly wasn't our best president but he had his moments.
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

It was most likely because he's pro-business, and a new national holiday would reduce employee productivity and reduce profits. That was the first thing that popped into my mind when you mentioned it, not racism.
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dick Cheyney, when he was a congressman, voted AGAINST Martin Luther King day.

As he should have, no race or minority should have a day to themsleves (We should also abolish black history month), all that does is seperate them more and empower racism.

Martin Luther King day is a holiday celebrating a man, not a race...