Martial law, is it coming for the US

[JEDIYoda]

True, he can still declare it though...

He can declare what ever he wants.......but whose going to enforce it???

 

[cytg111]

He can declare what ever he wants.......but whose going to enforce it???

Nobody I guess. Well personally I am not well versed in the mechanics of these things, when I read about people getting abducted, pushed into vans, gassings, the bible photo op etc. that was pretty much out of my scope of imagination, and certainly not something that would have flown in the Norse.
I guess what could worry me is the radicalization of your police. They seem pretty maga most of them to me. How far would they be willing to go, and is there a critical mass that is willing to break off from the main institution.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

He can declare what ever he wants.......but whose going to enforce it???

The numerous boot lickers he's installed at the Pentagon are already trying. Whether or not the Generals or any lower ranks will go along, taking orders from their civilian administrators, well ... There are a few that are as orange as any other color. Flynn's out and bitter, but he isn't alone in his twisted devotion.

At best, I see some drama in the next month or so.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

"Though far-fetched, ranking officers have discussed what they would do if the president declared martial law. And military commands responsible for Washington DC are engaged in secret contingency planning in case the armed forces are called upon to maintain or restore civil order during the inauguration and transition period. According to one officer who spoke to Newsweek on condition of anonymity, the planning is being kept out of sight of the White House and Trump loyalists in the Pentagon for fear that it would be shut down.

"I've been associated with the military for over 40 years and I've never seen the discussions that are being had right now, the need for such discussions," says a retired flag officer, currently a defense contractor who has mentored and advised his service's senior leaders. He was granted anonymity in order to speak without fear of reprisal.

A half-dozen officers in similar positions agree that while there is zero chance that the uniformed leadership would involve itself in any scheme to create an election-related reversal, they worry that the military could get sucked into a crisis of Trump's making, particularly if the president tries to rally private militias and pro-Trump paramilitaries in an effort to disrupt the transition and bring violence to the capital."

Exclusive: Donald Trump's martial-law talk has military on red alert

In secret meetings, ranking officers are discussing how the military would respond to any chaos around the inauguration and transition.

www.newsweek.com

 

[MtnMan]

"Though far-fetched, ranking officers have discussed what they would do if the president declared martial law. And military commands responsible for Washington DC are engaged in secret contingency planning in case the armed forces are called upon to maintain or restore civil order during the inauguration and transition period. According to one officer who spoke to Newsweek on condition of anonymity, the planning is being kept out of sight of the White House and Trump loyalists in the Pentagon for fear that it would be shut down.

"I've been associated with the military for over 40 years and I've never seen the discussions that are being had right now, the need for such discussions," says a retired flag officer, currently a defense contractor who has mentored and advised his service's senior leaders. He was granted anonymity in order to speak without fear of reprisal.

A half-dozen officers in similar positions agree that while there is zero chance that the uniformed leadership would involve itself in any scheme to create an election-related reversal, they worry that the military could get sucked into a crisis of Trump's making, particularly if the president tries to rally private militias and pro-Trump paramilitaries in an effort to disrupt the transition and bring violence to the capital."

Exclusive: Donald Trump's martial-law talk has military on red alert

In secret meetings, ranking officers are discussing how the military would respond to any chaos around the inauguration and transition.

www.newsweek.com

I would bet that these types of "what if" discussions have been going on amongst the upper brass since early on in Trumps time in office.

 

[Torn Mind]

The fostered perceived threat of martial law is essentially a campaign to stoke irrational fear most of the American populace and have them react in manner the elites desire. They know that most of the population have a grade school sense of politics and an extraordinary naiveté to the skill and level of mastery in deception and playing 4d chess people who get into the legal system, like politicians, lawyers, etc have. With understanding so deficient, the general populace are taught that the federal government is basically the only thing that matters and the word "states" are just words with pure symbolic value than entities who still hold power and the money behind that power. The President's scope of power is also overrated by a few degrees of magnitude.

A few fat cat lawyers being paid for the hours spend typing up any suit, even dead end ones, uttering that they "want" martial law is pure posturing. Lawyers understand that those words actually cause no "material harm" but the populace can be sent into an emotional tizzy with just words.

Little appreciation is given to the logistic matter of actually imposing it and whether the subordinates to the enforcers actually are in line with the guy in charge.

For Trump to be a dictator proper in this country, there would need be a substantial invasion of all 50 states, wholesale dissolution of each state's legislature and governor, even Republican ones. That's necessary because many states will dust the books for how to commit secession and successful enforcement required force and war.

This country is quite big, so military stationed currently overseas would have to be pulled back to the motherland. Then there's the matter of loyalty. After all, the patriotism in this country is pretty good at emphasizing the love of country over cult of personality.

Police in this country are well-paid and live a comfortable, privileged life. Yes, there is a need for being physically able to police, but it's not military grade training here. Some cops are old and fat 50 year olds who have shown they've gone to Dunkin Donuts more than they've seen war.

 

[Leeea]

making excuses......you still haven`t admitted that trump lost,,,,,,,boiohoo

What is a matter with you?

You are straight off topic and insulting. You know those people denying Trump lost? Look in the mirror, the quoted post is the other side of that same coin. Spewing garbage based on emotion.

Be better then them.

 

[Leeea]

I guess what could worry me is the radicalization of your police.

The police in the US are not a monolithic force.

Each level of government in the US has its own police force, separate from everything else. ex:
Town / City
Township
County
State
Federal
and
Company police*

Each of these are completely separate from each other and other levels of government. Police in town A can be great, while Town B 10 miles away corrupt to the core. Both exist in a Township that has its own separate township police force, which is separate from the county sheriff department, which is separate from the state police, which is separate from the FBI/etc.

The police forces tend to reflect the community they serve. So yea, in MAGA town, the cops are probably going to be MAGA. But in liberal town, the cops are likely to be more liberal. The town police answer to the Mayor, the sheriff is an elected position, the state police answer to the governor, and so on.

The police are not a threat outside their jurisdiction.

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*aka Corperate police, private police, those police you see in dystopian sci fi novels. The largest branch here in the US are Railroad police, which are organized criminals**. The authority of these private police can vary from being a full police officer to being persona non-grata depending on how the local government feels about them in each area.

**As in guiding said criminals to the rail road car with the valuable items, disabling surveillance, and helping them open it while it sits in the yard. Using shell companies to disguise the content, shipper, and recipient is common but not always possible.

 

[Pohemi]

After all, the patriotism in this country is pretty good at emphasizing the love of country over cult of personality...

ROFL. You have that completely backwards there, bucko.

...Police in this country are well-paid and live a comfortable, privileged life.

That statement is laughable. Do you personally know any LEOs?
I'm related to a few and they are not 'privileged' by any stretch of the imagination.
I suppose you believe teachers live high and mighty with fancy lifestyles? Obvious bullshit.

 

[pmv]

The fostered perceived threat of martial law is essentially a campaign to stoke irrational fear most of the American populace and have them react in manner the elites desire. They know that most of the population have a grade school sense of politics and an extraordinary naiveté to the skill and level of mastery in deception and playing 4d chess people who get into the legal system, like politicians, lawyers, etc have. With understanding so deficient, the general populace are taught that the federal government is basically the only thing that matters and the word "states" are just words with pure symbolic value than entities who still hold power and the money behind that power. The President's scope of power is also overrated by a few degrees of magnitude.

A few fat cat lawyers being paid for the hours spend typing up any suit, even dead end ones, uttering that they "want" martial law is pure posturing. Lawyers understand that those words actually cause no "material harm" but the populace can be sent into an emotional tizzy with just words.

Little appreciation is given to the logistic matter of actually imposing it and whether the subordinates to the enforcers actually are in line with the guy in charge.

For Trump to be a dictator proper in this country, there would need be a substantial invasion of all 50 states, wholesale dissolution of each state's legislature and governor, even Republican ones. That's necessary because many states will dust the books for how to commit secession and successful enforcement required force and war.

This country is quite big, so military stationed currently overseas would have to be pulled back to the motherland. Then there's the matter of loyalty. After all, the patriotism in this country is pretty good at emphasizing the love of country over cult of personality.

Police in this country are well-paid and live a comfortable, privileged life. Yes, there is a need for being physically able to police, but it's not military grade training here. Some cops are old and fat 50 year olds who have shown they've gone to Dunkin Donuts more than they've seen war.

Mostly it seems that the 'perceived threat' is being fostered by those in Trump's inner circle. They are the ones who keep bringing up the idea. You don't make it clear whether those are the 'elites' to which you refer? By 'elites' You mean Trump and his pals, I assume?

It doesn't look as if Trump has the support of the higher reaches of the career military. More importantly he didn't even get full support from Republican state legislatures. And it actually surprises me how well the judiciary have performed, forcefully rejecting pretty much all of his bogus lawsuits. Even Trump-appointed judges have thrown them out. That part of the US system seems to have functioned in a rational manner - somewhat to my surprise.

I don't see any likelihood of Trump managing to impose 'martial law'. I doubt he's (quite) dumb enough to even risk the humiliation of trying to do so. I still can't shake the feeling that he'll try _something_ though. Probably it won't work, whatever it is.

The more important point is he failed to achieve a situation of competing slates of EC voters, which would have allowed a legal coup. Thanks both to the Republican Party not being 100% captured by crazy Trumpists, and to the judiciary still retaining some degree of professional standards.

I don't have much confidence that that first factor will last indefinitely, given that fact that 80% or so of Republican voters have convinced themselves they are victims of a vast liberal conspiracy, but the sense shown by even Trump-appointed judges probably means the US system is more robust than it might otherwise be. That the judiciary still retain some degree of professional standards may be the only thing retaining any semblence of democracy in the otherwise badly-designed and profoundly-flawed US system. It really needs to be completely rebuilt.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ The culmination of his indignance against the Constitution might be to see him try it and be hauled off in cuffs.

 

[rommelrommel]

The fostered perceived threat of martial law is essentially a campaign to stoke irrational fear most of the American populace and have them react in manner the elites desire. They know that most of the population have a grade school sense of politics and an extraordinary naiveté to the skill and level of mastery in deception and playing 4d chess people who get into the legal system, like politicians, lawyers, etc have. With understanding so deficient, the general populace are taught that the federal government is basically the only thing that matters and the word "states" are just words with pure symbolic value than entities who still hold power and the money behind that power. The President's scope of power is also overrated by a few degrees of magnitude.

A few fat cat lawyers being paid for the hours spend typing up any suit, even dead end ones, uttering that they "want" martial law is pure posturing. Lawyers understand that those words actually cause no "material harm" but the populace can be sent into an emotional tizzy with just words.

Little appreciation is given to the logistic matter of actually imposing it and whether the subordinates to the enforcers actually are in line with the guy in charge.

For Trump to be a dictator proper in this country, there would need be a substantial invasion of all 50 states, wholesale dissolution of each state's legislature and governor, even Republican ones. That's necessary because many states will dust the books for how to commit secession and successful enforcement required force and war.

This country is quite big, so military stationed currently overseas would have to be pulled back to the motherland. Then there's the matter of loyalty. After all, the patriotism in this country is pretty good at emphasizing the love of country over cult of personality.

Police in this country are well-paid and live a comfortable, privileged life. Yes, there is a need for being physically able to police, but it's not military grade training here. Some cops are old and fat 50 year olds who have shown they've gone to Dunkin Donuts more than they've seen war.

Well, those are certainly all words.

 

[MtnMan]

Well, those are certainly all words.

without meaning.

 

[IronWing]

I keep reading the thread title as marital law. <shiver >

 

[MtnMan]

I keep reading the thread title as marital law. <shiver >

the republicans want that also...

cousins, even siblings, 12 year olds, etc. as long as they are the same race and opposite genders.

 

[Mai72]

Yea. I can hear the boots right outside my door as I type this message.

PO: What you doing in there commie?
Me I'm preying to my Trump statue.

PO: Ok. Trump is the rightful ruler of America.
Me: Yes sir... Hail Trump!