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Martial arts aren't completely about combat.. It's about the application of force in certain situations. In my style, it's all about control. To be able to control the person and dominate them. Even so, I rarely spar my instructors, I think I've done it three times since I was four... 😛
 
That's be interesting. I don't think they're want someone with your attitude. Also, the instructors don't want to get sued. If you want to test your skills go to a bar and start fights. If someone beats you then try asking him/her to be your master.

Beating someone doesn't mean they can't teach you something. In this case, it just means you got lucky or you can fight better. Unless you've mastered their style, then they can still teach you.
 
You sound like a complete troll and a tool. If some punk off the street came in and wanted to fight me, I'd say sure, break his fvcking arm, then throw him out and tell him never to come back in. He's in a position where he's at because of his accomplishments.

Stupidest post ever.
 
Miyamoto Musashi sort of did something similar, and won...kept winning as well.

It really depends.

However, my money is most would be spending the first day in the ER in some way.
 
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
If I want to start studying a martial art do I get to fight the teacher first? I mean it would make sense. For one, it would prove his qualifications. Secondly, if you beat him then he has nothing to teach you, so it would serve as a measuring stick of your skill.

Also, is it rude to go to dojos and call out the instructor?
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Just because you think you've beaten the teacher doesn't mean he doesn't have anything to teach you. 🙂
 
I think you are exactly right. You should find a very reputable martial arts place and walk in and say you'll only take lessons if the instructor proves he knows his stuff. THen charge at him...

Let me know how it turns out...
 
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Oh yeah, because martial arts is about happiness and friendship. MARTIAL arts, as in pertaining to war. Please explain this "attitude" you speak of. And besides, wouldn't fighting your instructor be beneficial? When you can beat him, he has nothing more to teach you.
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Well, picture it on the perspective of the sensei. You come in and want to fight and beat him to the best of your abilities. Would you expect him to do the same when he fights you? If so, you will most likely die, LITERALLY.
 
After 1-2 classes he can easily tell what level you are at. Why would he risk fighting someone, esp. someone without any prior experience; they'll probably go all psycho and land a good shot, so why take the risk?
 
I love Martial Arts movies, but its no more effective in real life protection than if you took up boxing or wrestling. In the real world a physical encounter is so much different than on a mat, in a classroom, in a ring, or in an octogon. While training for self defense clearly helps it certainly doesn't make you overwhelming superior out in the real world. Something as simple as the clothing you are wearing that day can change everything as well as jewelry. Most people train and practice against similar sized opponents as well. Perfect analogy take a 5'6 well trained black belt, would he kick Ronnie Coleman's rearend, doubt it very seriously. I think people should take martial arts for the great excercise as a priority first with self defense a clear distant second. Cause in the real world fighting is not for points, trophys and there are no rules, in the real world someone will seriously hurt you.
 
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
If I want to start studying a martial art do I get to fight the teacher first? I mean it would make sense. For one, it would prove his qualifications. Secondly, if you beat him then he has nothing to teach you, so it would serve as a measuring stick of your skill.

Also, is it rude to go to dojos and call out the instructor?
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GO FOR IT! Challenge the Sensei to test his abilities. If he F@#%s you up good, then you'll know he's a good Sensei. 😉
 
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
If I want to start studying a martial art do I get to fight the teacher first? I mean it would make sense. For one, it would prove his qualifications. Secondly, if you beat him then he has nothing to teach you, so it would serve as a measuring stick of your skill.

Also, is it rude to go to dojos and call out the instructor?
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I don't think it's a bad idea.. you should feel confident that the person teaching you has something to offer you. Just check your attitude at the door and let him know you are testing him.

Personal experience time..
The FIRST day I took wing chun my teacher ASKED to spar me.
This is after showing me only basic punches and kicks on a bag.
I accepted because I wanted to learn, I trusted him.
He told me to use what he had just shown me, and I did..
I didn't come close to hitting him, he could block anything without effort.
After about 10 frustrating minutes he started getting aggresive.. Changing stances often, coming at me a few times, and everytime I attacked he'd block and return a punch or kick.

Then I learned what a chamber kick is. I blocked the first kick, the second one knocked me out for a few seconds.

What was the point of all of this?

He explained that when I jumped back up after getting the shite kicked out of me, I showed heart, and the fact that I didn't try to kill him showed I was willing to learn.
He does this with every new student to see what they are made of... It's the way william cheung taught him, but he was far more brutal.

And any teacher worth anything will accept the challenge you offer. Some would be intrigued that a student would have the balls, some would be offended because of the lack of respect.

It's not odd to challenge a teacher/master to a fight. My sifu walks into studios about once a month (or whenever he goes out of town) and asks to spar with the master.



BUT PLEASE for the love of god check your emotions at the door. If you get your ass handed to you and start getting angry and reckless, the master will see this and respond accordingly. My sifu has split leg muscles to the bone, split heads open, and broken ribs of people who got frustrated sparring him and seriously attacked him.
 
Originally posted by: classy
I love Martial Arts movies, but its no more effective in real life protection than if you took up boxing or wrestling. In the real world a physical encounter is so much different than on a mat, in a classroom, in a ring, or in an octogon. While training for self defense clearly helps it certainly doesn't make you overwhelming superior out in the real world. Something as simple as the clothing you are wearing that day can change everything as well as jewelry. Most people train and practice against similar sized opponents as well. Perfect analogy take a 5'6 well trained black belt, would he kick Ronnie Coleman's rearend, doubt it very seriously. I think people should take martial arts for the great excercise as a priority first with self defense a clear distant second. Cause in the real world fighting is not for points, trophys and there are no rules, in the real world someone will seriously hurt you.
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I'm 5'7" and I've sparred (don't take the word lightly) with many different sized oppenents. From juiced up dudes to 6'8" guys with arms far longer than my legs.
There's a different way to fight every person.
A master my size could easily beat Coleman and I will stand by that.
I have seen a man 5'8" 180lbs take out another guy who was 6'1" 260lbs (muscle not fat)
without hesitation or complication.


Originally posted by: Mo0o
From what I heard Jujitsu is pretty good. A lot of guys in UFC have Jujitsu training. But in a real fight, a quick kick to the nuts or a gun to the face will defeat any kind of martial arts training.
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I've been railed in the nuts many times sparring.. It's not that big of a deal.
Plus you have about 15 seconds before the pain really sets in.. That's PLENTY of time to end a fight for real.
And if someone isn't able to avoid a nutshot they probably don't know what they are doing... If I am fighting a huge guy I would personally probably take the nut shot in order to get close and collapse a throat or stick my finger in an eye socket.

But yea a gun to the face would make most people walk away.
However if the master is a little crazy like mine was he would probably just take it from you and break your hand.
 
Originally posted by: amcdonald
I've been railed in the nuts many times sparring.. It's not that big of a deal.
Plus you have about 15 seconds before the pain really sets in.. That's PLENTY of time to end a fight for real.
And if someone isn't able to avoid a nutshot they probably don't know what they are doing... If I am fighting a huge guy I would personally probably take the nut shot in order to get close and collapse a throat or stick my finger in an eye socket.

But yea a gun to the face would make most people walk away.
However if the master is a little crazy like mine was he would probably just take it from you and break your hand.
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In a fight going for kill moves is a real good what to get yourself in serious trouble 9 out of 10 times. To kill someone you have to prove there was no escape for one, and two that you attempted otherwise to subdue the opponent.

I have been through the whole sparring thing and a lot of real life fights. The times it was going to be lethal I got the hell out of dodge....each time I was out-manned and they had weapons....it'd be a dumb fight to take, no matter how good you are. Some of those situations I did follow up later with them when the odds were better.

Obviously if it's 5 vs 1 and someone gets killed it's a little different, but one on one...just not a good idea especially if you are a known martial artist.
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
In a fight going for kill moves is a real good what to get yourself in serious trouble 9 out of 10 times. To kill someone you have to prove there was no escape for one, and two that you attempted otherwise to subdue the opponent.

I have been through the whole sparring thing and a lot of real life fights. The times it was going to be lethal I got the hell out of dodge....each time I was out-manned and they had weapons....it'd be a dumb fight to take, no matter how good you are. Some of those situations I did follow up later with them when the odds were better.

Obviously if it's 5 vs 1 and someone gets killed it's a little different, but one on one...just not a good idea especially if you are a known martial artist.
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Yea I undertand and agree with all of that.. I'm just saying that if a fight is imminent and I'm not getting out of it, and the guy is twice my size, I'm gonna try to end it before I get hurt or taken to the ground.
Obviously I try to avoid fights but sometimes you can't walk away.
Unfortunately a lot of my friends are the type that are a little too willing to fight.
They are also the type to grab a rock or bottle and use it without hesitation. Dirty fighters.

Crushing someone's throat could kill them, but there's nothing lethal about eye gauging. A few of my friends have done that and it seems to deter the largest of drunk assholes from fighting.
 
God damn it guys, you guys are making me lose my nerve after reading about how much the instructor will destroy me. I hear what you're saying about just some guy coming off the street and challenging the instructor. I mean, if its another martial artist you at least have the assurance that the guy's gonna have some control, be used to sparring and not try to poke your eye out or something. But, if it's just some random guy, then you have no such assurance. Besides, I just MIGHT try to poke his eye out.
 
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
God damn it guys, you guys are making me lose my nerve after reading about how much the instructor will destroy me. I hear what you're saying about just some guy coming off the street and challenging the instructor. I mean, if its another martial artist you at least have the assurance that the guy's gonna have some control, be used to sparring and not try to poke your eye out or something. But, if it's just some random guy, then you have no such assurance. Besides, I just MIGHT try to poke his eye out.
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And if you do that, besides being in a full body cast, you'll have a lawsuit to worry about too.
 
My Brazilian Jiu Jitsu instructor will let guys try to fight him. He will just use Jiu Jitsu (he doesn't hit, which will make things much easier), they can punch, kick, whatever. He doesn't allow biting (because it's just gross), and no eye gouges. Someone did try to eye gouge him, he just armbarred him in a second anyway.
 
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
God damn it guys, you guys are making me lose my nerve after reading about how much the instructor will destroy me. I hear what you're saying about just some guy coming off the street and challenging the instructor. I mean, if its another martial artist you at least have the assurance that the guy's gonna have some control, be used to sparring and not try to poke your eye out or something. But, if it's just some random guy, then you have no such assurance. Besides, I just MIGHT try to poke his eye out.
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Exactly why it's a bad idea to try to fight a master no holds barred.
If you do something dirty (and he practices what he's teaching) you can depend getting seriously hurt. They are not gonna play around with you if you come at them in desperation.

And I've seen plenty of 'martial artists' who think they are hot shite try to fight a real master and get frustrated and just start scrapping.
 
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