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"Mark of the Beast" chip

Onceler

Onceler

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I was thinking that maybe we could have GPS chips on our keychain so that when a button is pressed local emergency crews like police would know like if several of them were pressed at once where a bank robbery or other crime was being committed or if there were unmarked Christians<grin>.
We already have GPS in our phones for this purpose but you have to call first.
 
How about this:

Every newborn get's a small locater chip implanted in a random location shortly after birth. This chip would be activated as soon as a child is reported missing, leading authorities straight to the kid.

It would be a person's choice whether to have the chip removed when they reach legal age, and they could have it removed at any age they choose, or never. I believe this could almost eliminate child abductions, one of the most terrible scourges of our society.

Do the pros outweigh the cons?
 
Via said:
How about this:

Every newborn get's a small locater chip implanted in a random location shortly after birth. This chip would be activated as soon as a child is reported missing, leading authorities straight to the kid.

It would be a person's choice whether to have the chip removed when they reach legal age, and they could have it removed at any age they choose, or never. I believe this could almost eliminate child abductions, one of the most terrible scourges of our society.

Do the pros outweigh the cons?
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I don't see any cons. I can't imagine someone stealing my baby and realizing there is no way to track him. If everyone was chipped, maybe kidnappings would be less common. I say chip our asses ASAP.
 
Via said:
How about this:

Every newborn get's a small locater chip implanted in a random location shortly after birth. This chip would be activated as soon as a child is reported missing, leading authorities straight to the kid.

It would be a person's choice whether to have the chip removed when they reach legal age, and they could have it removed at any age they choose, or never. I believe this could almost eliminate child abductions, one of the most terrible scourges of our society.

Do the pros outweigh the cons?
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Put it in the base of the brain and add in a small explosive charge. That way if it is reported that the person is in the process of shooting up a school [size=-9](or protesting a important political event)[/size] they could just detonate the chip and end the threat.

Of course if anyone ever hacked the system you could be in trouble.
 
moonbogg said:
I don't see any cons. I can't imagine someone stealing my baby and realizing there is no way to track him. If everyone was chipped, maybe kidnappings would be less common. I say chip our asses ASAP.
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Well there is the state knowing everyone's every move and everyone they associate with. You could live a carefully managed and guided life.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Put it in the base of the brain and add in a small explosive charge. That way if it is reported that the person is in the process of shooting up a school [SIZE=-9](or protesting a important political event)[/SIZE] they could just detonate the chip and end the threat.

Of course if anyone ever hacked the system you could be in trouble.
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No, it has to be a nuke. Just in case the kid grows up to be a Mastermind Criminal bent on controlling the world. That way you can kill it and its' henchmen.
 
Via said:
How about this:

Every newborn get's a small locater chip implanted in a random location shortly after birth. This chip would be activated as soon as a child is reported missing, leading authorities straight to the kid.

It would be a person's choice whether to have the chip removed when they reach legal age, and they could have it removed at any age they choose, or never. I believe this could almost eliminate child abductions, one of the most terrible scourges of our society.

Do the pros outweigh the cons?
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Would it come with a Lo-Jack tattoo so people know not to kidnap the kid?
 
dphantom said:
you really do not see any problem with mandating a surgical procedure to implant a monitoring device in a person, regardless of their age?
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Nothing so extreme would happen without equally extreme protest and resistance. This is like any other controversial technology or surgical procedure. The idea starts out as taboo and slowly becomes more accepted until a majority ends up wanting it. Like any technology, it can be abused or used properly. This is the sort of balancing act that we have been dealing with and will continue to deal with. Nothing new here.
 
We do not possess the technology to make such a keychain. The only crap we have is short range transmissions, in which case you'd need receivers literally everywhere. The cost of networking them all would exceed the total costs of all bank robberies (not including TBTF banks robbing taxpayers).
 
Via said:
Not removable. It's a law, like kids not drinking, or flying.
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Uh, if something can be implanted, it can be removed. I foresee a lot of underground surgeons specializing in such, much like there are underground abortion clinics in places that ban it. And "it's a law", is not an answer to my question. What is the penalty if someone removed it? Jail time? Fines? Forced re-implantation? Do they get taken to the Ministry of Love for removing their Telescreen? In the real world there would be penalties, and if you seriously think this is a good idea you shouldn't shy away from the darker implications. There are two sides to everything.

Here's another question, I assume this device will operate using a radio signal of some kind. What happens when someone decides to wrap themselves in aluminum foil and block the signal? Hell what happens when someone goes into a building that blocks the signal?

Honestly this idea is reminds me of that Michael Crichton novel about gene patents where the man who's genes are patented refuses to give more samples, and the pharmaceutical company sends a bounty hunter out to capture the man and forcefully remove samples, given that the genes are "their property." Part of the story involves this hunter chasing the guy around with a hypodermic needle. If it wasn't so dark it'd be hilarious.



Any implant like what you suggest would have to be purely voluntary for the pros to outweigh the cons.
 
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moonbogg said:
Nothing so extreme would happen without equally extreme protest and resistance. This is like any other controversial technology or surgical procedure. The idea starts out as taboo and slowly becomes more accepted until a majority ends up wanting it. Like any technology, it can be abused or used properly. This is the sort of balancing act that we have been dealing with and will continue to deal with. Nothing new here.
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Assuming it works well, which is a massive assumption. Our present government can't even get a website right. If one day our government actually becomes competent enough to implement an implantation program without killing a lot of its citizens on the process, and stable enough to maintain said program such that it doesn't lead to disaster, we'll be living in a fundamentally different world. Hell we'll basically be living in a Star Trek Utopia.
 
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I would have my daughter chipped except that I think that the nfo would fall into the wrong hands(stalkers).
It might be a good idea someone mentioned that the kid can have it removed when they reach 18 if they choose to.
 
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irishScott said:
Assuming it works well, which is a massive assumption. Our present government can't even get a website right. If one day our government actually becomes competent enough to implement an implantation program without killing a lot of its citizens on the process, and stable enough to maintain said program such that it doesn't lead to disaster, we'll be living in a fundamentally different world. Hell we'll basically be living in a Star Trek Utopia.
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Our government can sift through more information than has ever before existed and pull out who you are and everything about you quite well. This is technically a very easy thing to do and I expect it would go far better than the Obamacare site. This is collecting data, not enhancing your experience.

You would be living in a fundamentally different world, not Jean Luc, but Winston Smith and O'Brien. I'll pass, as if I had any choice.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Our government can sift through more information than has ever before existed and pull out who you are and everything about you quite well. This is technically a very easy thing to do and I expect it would go far better than the Obamacare site. This is collecting data, not enhancing your experience.

You would be living in a fundamentally different world, not Jean Luc, but Winston Smith and O'Brien. I'll pass, as if I had any choice.
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Via's talking about mandatory implantation in such a way that the implant is hard to remove. That's not just data collection. Current hospitals don't have anything resembling the manpower or resources to perform invasive surgery on literally every American, the government would have to set up a special department of some sort and mange doctors directly.
 
irishScott said:
Via's talking about mandatory implantation in such a way that the implant is hard to remove. That's not just data collection. Current hospitals don't have anything resembling the manpower or resources to perform invasive surgery on literally every American, the government would have to set up a special department of some sort and mange doctors directly.
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Actually, if you do it at newborn age you could inject it with a syringe into the soft spot on the skull and let the skull form over it.

Of course, anyone who knows anything about electronics knows that a locating beacon that is that small has a battery life of a couple hours.

Even more important is that pretty much everyone knows that if you stick a person inside a metal box (like an enclosed van), their GPS implant isn't going to work. RF isn't a magic bullet.
 
Via said:
How about this:

Every newborn get's a small locater chip implanted in a random location shortly after birth. This chip would be activated as soon as a child is reported missing, leading authorities straight to the kid.

It would be a person's choice whether to have the chip removed when they reach legal age, and they could have it removed at any age they choose, or never. I believe this could almost eliminate child abductions, one of the most terrible scourges of our society.

Do the pros outweigh the cons?
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This was already tried and society was in a huge uproar about it. The program didn't last very long at all.
 
irishScott said:
Via's talking about mandatory implantation in such a way that the implant is hard to remove. That's not just data collection. Current hospitals don't have anything resembling the manpower or resources to perform invasive surgery on literally every American, the government would have to set up a special department of some sort and mange doctors directly.
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We're talking "mark of the beast" scenario, and regardless of the biblical interpretation there's a practical implementation given.

And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.…
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Why bother to make it impossible to remove? They'll malfunction and need replacement. You don't even need to make it a criminal offense to not have one, but like the above quote it could be made mighty hard to do without
 
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