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Marine Killed by overzealous police

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Did the police go to far? The guy was innocent and tried with every fiber in his body to comply with the officer's commands.
How much did a group of cops have to fear with their guns drawn? The victim was just sitting there.
Amazing how cops go all out when they have full control, yet stand back with their flak jackets and high-powered guns, when not in control like at VT.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21230

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs...egory=NEWS&ArtNo=103220008&SectionCat=

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/03/ap_marine_death_suit_070323/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...cle/2007/03/27/AR2007032702486_pf.html

"As the electrical current rushed through him, his muscles locked up and he began to shake and convulse uncontrollably," the suit reads. "Due to the electrical current passing through his body, it was physically impossible for Derek to comply with any command to raise his hands above his head."

Hale is quoted as saying, "Not in front of the kids, get the kids out of here."

At one point, after the second taser, he vomited into a flower bed next to him, the suit said. A contractor across the street is quoted as yelling, "That's not necessary, that's overkill, that's overkill!"

After the third tasering, Hale is quoted as saying, "I'm trying to get my hands out."

At one point, after the second taser, he vomited into a flower bed next to him, the suit said. A contractor across the street is quoted as yelling, "That's not necessary, that's overkill, that's overkill!"

"officer in close proximity to the developments feared for the safety of his fellow officers and believed that the suspect was in a position to pose an imminent threat. That officer then utilized deadly force."

The lawsuit alleges that after the shooting, Virginia state police illegally searched Hale?s home after Delaware police falsely told them that an arrest warrant for Hale had been issued.
 
I'll wait untill they are convicted, but if did go down like that then that is pretty bad. But, if they guy was sitting there with his hands in his pockets and refusing to take his hands out, it doesn't matter how many cops are there, its still a threat. Once they tasered him its a little different though.
 
They executed him because he was a Pagan. The LEO's in that area must be scared sh!tless of the Pagans to gun him down like that.
 
A gun gives you power. Apparently these cops used it unwisely.

I predict the widow will get a nice civil suit settlement.
 
Wow . . . that sux.

I'm still unclear how a whole group of police could be so poorly trained that they would not identify themselves as police.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
I'll wait untill they are convicted, but if did go down like that then that is pretty bad. But, if they guy was sitting there with his hands in his pockets and refusing to take his hands out, it doesn't matter how many cops are there, its still a threat. Once they tasered him its a little different though.
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From the articles:
But in interviews with The News Journal last week, all five[witnesses] said Hale did not pose a threat.
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Hale never displayed a weapon, police said...
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The officers ordered Hale to take his hands out of the front pockets of his hooded sweat shirt.

"About a second later, they Tasered him," Mixson recalled. "He was just sitting there. He didn't do anything."

The witnesses said Hale shook violently from the charge, as if sitting on an electric chair. His right hand came out of the front of his sweat shirt and was shaking violently.

Seconds later, police repeated their command for Hale to show them his hands, and they Tasered him a second time.

Mixson and others said Hale, who was still seated on the steps, rolled onto his left side and vomited into a flower bed.

Hale rolled back to his right, into a sitting position, still shaking, and police Tasered him a third time, Mixson said.
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: JD50
I'll wait untill they are convicted, but if did go down like that then that is pretty bad. But, if they guy was sitting there with his hands in his pockets and refusing to take his hands out, it doesn't matter how many cops are there, its still a threat. Once they tasered him its a little different though.
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From the articles:
But in interviews with The News Journal last week, all five[witnesses] said Hale did not pose a threat.
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Hale never displayed a weapon, police said...
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The officers ordered Hale to take his hands out of the front pockets of his hooded sweat shirt.

"About a second later, they Tasered him," Mixson recalled. "He was just sitting there. He didn't do anything."

The witnesses said Hale shook violently from the charge, as if sitting on an electric chair. His right hand came out of the front of his sweat shirt and was shaking violently.

Seconds later, police repeated their command for Hale to show them his hands, and they Tasered him a second time.

Mixson and others said Hale, who was still seated on the steps, rolled onto his left side and vomited into a flower bed.

Hale rolled back to his right, into a sitting position, still shaking, and police Tasered him a third time, Mixson said.
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Asked if Hale ever threatened the officers, Elliott said in an interview last week: "In a sense, when he did not comply with their commands" to show him his hands.
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officers found a can of pepper spray and a switchblade knife in Hale's pockets after the shooting.
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Thats why its dangerous when someone has their hands in their pockets and refuses to take them out, a lot of cops have gotten killed and injured in this kind of scenario. Take your hands out of your pockets when you are told to and you should be fine.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not defending what happened here, I'll wait untill they are convicted to make my final judgement, I'm just explaining how things go down in a situation like this and why it might have been elevated like it was.

 
The Delaware State Police says the Pagans are an outlaw motorcycle gang. Over the years, Delaware Pagans have been arrested for crimes of drugs and violence, but they also participate in charity events. The club has sponsored several Toys for Tots runs.
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There have been several instances in recent months of Iraq war veterans returning to the gangs and street life they left behind, with newly learned combat skills that prove quite effective in urban environments.

There was a story a few months back in SoCal of a Marine killing several armed and well trained police officers, using military tactics the police officers simply would not expect from a typical armed felon...in this instance, the cops actually had the felon surrounded, outgunned and essentially cornered...the veteran in question rushed the cops with an assault rifle, using a standard military tactic of charging an ambush while firing at enemy targets...the police never had a chance with their pistols to take out the threat before he closed in for the kill.

So we have:

1. War veteran marine who is...
2. Associated with a motorcycle gang known to engage in criminal activities and...
3. Comprised largely of military veterans and...
3. Failing to comply with officers and...
4. Wearing a sweatshirt which could easily conceal any number of weapons.

I can certainly understand why the officers in question would perhaps assess the victim as a greater threat than what he actually posed.

The situation certainly demands an investigation, but I wouldn't presume the officers are guilty given the information available through the links provided thus far.

 
True, but how can you reasonably expect anyone to perform a coordinated movement while being tasered 3 times?

The article even mentions Hale did pull one hand out of his pocket during the struggle, and yelled at the officers that he was trying to comply.
 
True, but how can you reasonably expect anyone to perform a coordinated movement while being tasered 3 times? The article even mentions Hale did pull one hand out of his pocket during the struggle, and yelled at the officers that he was trying to comply.
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Perhaps this is true, and if this is the case, then the police did not respond appropriately...however, not having been at the scene of the crime, and not standing in the shoes of either the victim or the police, hard to determine how each perceived the situation.
 
humm guy has hands in his pockets, cant comply to take his hands out becuase he has been tasered 3 times, another cop comes up and pumps 3 rounds into him at point blank. Hummmm, based on that the cops should fry. and the widow should sue for millions.
 
I can't wait to see how the police weasel their way out of this. This unarmed person was just sitting there, we HAD to kill him in cold blood! Amazing that this had to go to a civil rights case though, why are the officers involved in this still on the force? Shouldn't they have been fired for this?
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
humm guy has hands in his pockets, cant comply to take his hands out becuase he has been tasered 3 times, another cop comes up and pumps 3 rounds into him at point blank. Hummmm, based on that the cops should fry. and the widow should sue for millions.
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The taser had him. That should have been the end of it. People have been killed just by the tasers, recently--if what we're reading is correct, these folks were on a power trip, and should not have been cops.
 
I would say it was 10% the Marine's fault for not complying and 90% the cops fault for going overboard and basically executing the guy.

What a bunch of a-holes.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
I would say it was 10% the Marine's fault for not complying and 90% the cops fault for going overboard and basically executing the guy.

What a bunch of a-holes.
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Why is it 10% the marine's fault for not complying?
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
I would say it was 10% the Marine's fault for not complying and 90% the cops fault for going overboard and basically executing the guy.

What a bunch of a-holes.
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What could the marine do to comply with three taser blasts surging through his body?

In other words, what could he have done between the third taser blast and the first gunshot that would have led to a different outcome? Every taser demonstration I've seen shows the victim dropping to the ground in uncontrollable spasms.
 
Some cops have a gang-mentality where they do evil things when their buddies are around. This is evil. No need for him to die like that. No need for him to die at all.
 
Damn shame. This kinda stuff is just getting out of hand. Somebody better be going the bleep to jail for this crap.
 
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Phokus
I would say it was 10% the Marine's fault for not complying and 90% the cops fault for going overboard and basically executing the guy.

What a bunch of a-holes.
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Why is it 10% the marine's fault for not complying?
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It isn't. It's about 9.3%
 
Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Phokus
I would say it was 10% the Marine's fault for not complying and 90% the cops fault for going overboard and basically executing the guy.

What a bunch of a-holes.
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Why is it 10% the marine's fault for not complying?
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It isn't. It's about 9.3%
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Repeating I assume.😉
 
"...when they shot the 25-year-old Virginia man with three blasts from a Taser, followed by three .40-caliber rounds to his chest."

:laugh: Gang violence is always the same. Just a bunch of cowards with guns, killing some poor chump who didn't have a gun.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
True, but how can you reasonably expect anyone to perform a coordinated movement while being tasered 3 times? The article even mentions Hale did pull one hand out of his pocket during the struggle, and yelled at the officers that he was trying to comply.
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Perhaps this is true, and if this is the case, then the police did not respond appropriately...however, not having been at the scene of the crime, and not standing in the shoes of either the victim or the police, hard to determine how each perceived the situation.
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Cops: I get to use my weapon. I get to use my weapon. I get to use my weapon.
Ex-Marine: Damn this sux. Damn this sux. Damn this sux.
 
Has anyone here been Tazered? From some of the comments above I am guessing no. Once the Tazer is done, you are no longer being incapactitated. that is why most agencies teach to put "hands on" during the delivery.

I am not saying the LEOs were in the right and if they weren't hope they enjoy the "Big House."
 
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