Marine forced to take down 'American' Flag. With a twist!

[Double Trouble]

how is it disgusting? because you dont like faggots?

I don't know the man, so I don't know if he would put the flag on someone else's casket..obviously the appropriate thing would be to put it on there if they would have wanted it on there and not if not so..

as to if he would pledge allegiance to it..i have no idea what you are even trying to get at..

I don't care if he wants to wave a gay pride flag or any other stupid flag, that's his right, a right he helped defend by serving. This has nothing to do with his right to fly a gay pride flag or not. The bottom line is, he agreed to not fly any flags other than the US flags. Clearly, this is not a US flag, so he doesn't get to fly it, any more than someone else gets to fly some other flag of their choice. There's no issue here, the guy is a tool who needs to learn to understand that rules apply to him just like anyone else.

 

[LumbergTech]

You should read more. The flag itself is fine. The HOA may disagree, but for all I care he can plaster his house with it. It's the fact that he's claiming it's an "American Flag" that's disgusting. The American Flag stands for ideals and values worlds above "gay pride".

For the record, I'm completely for gay marriage.

And you obviously aren't American. The American Flag is draped across the caskets of US soldiers.

A folded American Flag is given to the families. Every morning from kindergarten through high school in almost every public school you recite the pledge of allegiance with your hand on your heart. The flag is a very distinct, powerful and meaningful symbol. Even the colors have specific meanings. To claim that it's nothing more than a tacky decoration you'd see on a cheap pride parade float is quite disgusting indeed. Especially for a Marine.

I just dont agree that it is cheap or tacky. To him, it is very meaningful. would it be so terrible if a gay soldier's casket was in that picture and he had a rainbow flag? so fucking what

they earn the right

 

[LumbergTech]

I don't care if he wants to wave a gay pride flag or any other stupid flag, that's his right, a right he helped defend by serving. This has nothing to do with his right to fly a gay pride flag or not. The bottom line is, he agreed to not fly any flags other than the US flags. Clearly, this is not a US flag, so he doesn't get to fly it, any more than someone else gets to fly some other flag of their choice. There's no issue here, the guy is a tool who needs to learn to understand that rules apply to him just like anyone else.

its a ridiculous rule..hes still being patriotic ..

to me the meaning is much more important than the symbol

if he chooses to transfer that meaning to a new symbol i see no problem personally

 

[Cogman]

I just dont agree that it is cheap or tacky. To him, it is very meaningful.

Great, it is still banned by his HOA. If he wanted to display his flag (which is not the american flag as he is trying to claim.) His options are
A. Petition/get on his HOA board.
B. Move to a new area where the HOA allows it.
or
C. Somehow prove that his HOA policy is illegal (which it isn't).

The action that he took, complain to media outlets and use his military service to get sympathy, is disgusting.

 

[irishScott]

I just dont agree that it is cheap or tacky. To him, it is very meaningful. would it be so terrible if a gay soldier's casket was in that picture and he had a rainbow flag? so fucking what

they earn the right

Then they can have it on their casket. They can do virtually anything with it for all I care. Just don't claim it's an American Flag.

The American Flag has been around in its various forms for centuries, for most of that with very little change other than star count and arrangement (each star represents a state, so more were naturally added as time went on). The colors, stripes and stars all have well established meanings. It is not something you can customize and accessorize to your liking.

 

[Patranus]

This this is really a story titled "marine forced to take down mutilated abstract interpretation of an American Flag.

American flag being taken down in this story not found.

(mutilation of the American flag is somewhat offensive)

 

[shortylickens]

HOA sucks balls.
They cant do anything to guarantee your property values stay high, but they love not letting you do whatever the fuck you want to your own house. Fuck them.
Sadly, because people are so paranoid about property values it seems like all new developments have HOA's.

 

[Double Trouble]

its a ridiculous rule..hes still being patriotic ..

to me the meaning is much more important than the symbol

if he chooses to transfer that meaning to a new symbol i see no problem personally

Ridiculous or not, he agreed to it when he agreed to live in a development subject to that HOA and it's "ridiculous" rules. That's the whole point, it's not about his gay flag, it's the fact that he seems to think that the rules don't apply to him. They do and they should. Whining about it after the fact does nothing to change the facts: he agreed to the rule, the flag he's flying is NOT an American flag. He should STFU and whine somewhere else.

 

[ericlp]

You should read more. The flag itself is fine. The HOA may disagree, but for all I care he can plaster his house with it. It's the fact that he's claiming it's an "American Flag" that's disgusting. The American Flag stands for ideals and values worlds above "gay pride".

For the record, I'm completely for gay marriage.

And you obviously aren't American. The American Flag is draped across the caskets of US soldiers.

A folded American Flag is given to the families. Every morning from kindergarten through high school in almost every public school you recite the pledge of allegiance with your hand on your heart. The flag is a very distinct, powerful and meaningful symbol. Even the colors have specific meanings. To claim that it's nothing more than a tacky decoration you'd see on a cheap pride parade float is quite disgusting indeed. Especially for a Marine.

Now if you could just photo shop that so that it's the gay flag on the coffins!



I don't have any gay affiliation but I kinda like the look of the flag. I guess if he wants to fly it he shouldn't be living in a HOA neighborhood. Personally, HOA neighborhoods are GAY...

I can see having CCR's that prohibit having a run down house, or 6 cars parked and rosters in the yard. But, ones that tell you... You can't paint your house a certain color or basically fly a wind sock that has the colors of the rainbow on it is a bit anal.

Personally, I think it's a cool flag and I see all kinds of things made out of those colors just because someone has a colorful windsock/flag doesn't mean he or she is gay and if so, SO WHAT...

 

[Double Trouble]

I can see having CCR's that prohibit having a run down house, or 6 cars parked and rosters in the yard. But, ones that tell you... You can't paint your house a certain color or basically fly a wind sock that has the colors of the rainbow on it is a bit anal.

Yeah, I think we can all agree that a lot of HOA are anal and a pain in the ass... but people want to live that way because they want to be sure that the houses in their area look a certain way. I don't get that need for uniformity.... My HOA dictates the specific hue of color that your mulch has to be. If you even want to plant a flower or bush in your yard, it needs to be approved by the HOA.

I hate the HOA, but the reality is, if you want to live anywhere even remotely near Columbus, OH and live in a decent area, it's going to have a HOA. In fact, I asked a friend of mine who's a realtor, and he could not think of a single recent development that didn't have a HOA.

 

[Jaskalas]

I stand for the right to display the American flag. That sir, is no American flag.

 

[dmcowen674]

Obama should change the flag to this, really piss off Republicans :thumbsup:

 

[MotF Bane]

Obama should change the flag to this, really piss off Republicans :thumbsup:

Why do you hate America?

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah, I think we can all agree that a lot of HOA are anal and a pain in the ass... but people want to live that way because they want to be sure that the houses in their area look a certain way. I don't get that need for uniformity.... My HOA dictates the specific hue of color that your mulch has to be. If you even want to plant a flower or bush in your yard, it needs to be approved by the HOA.

I hate the HOA, but the reality is, if you want to live anywhere even remotely near Columbus, OH and live in a decent area, it's going to have a HOA. In fact, I asked a friend of mine who's a realtor, and he could not think of a single recent development that didn't have a HOA.

Because they want to remain decent.

Look at the fucktards above that want to paint their house any color they feel and maintain the property when they'd like too.

 

[piasabird]

Military members aren't allowed to be involved in politics. They obey orders, they are not allowed to set policy. They can only vote, and their votes are hardly ever counted anyway, due to a liberal agenda.

 

[MJinZ]

The HOA is in the right here, as much as I hate to admit it. That looks nothing like an American flag.

Wat.

That's a gay American Flag.

I mean, if you can't see the resemblance, your IQ must be like, in the negative numbers.

 

[alkemyst]

Military members aren't allowed to be involved in politics. They obey orders, they are not allowed to set policy. They can only vote, and their votes are hardly ever counted anyway, due to a liberal agenda.

lolwut

 

[Double Trouble]

Wat.

That's a gay American Flag.

I mean, if you can't see the resemblance, your IQ must be like, in the negative numbers.

No. There are specific criteria as to what an American flag is. Changing colors or making some other design means it's no longer an American flag. Not that you can't do it or that there's anything wrong with doing it, but then it's no longer an American flag. Period.

I know it's just so hard for some people to understand: the rules apply to you too. This guy just needs to get that point, he seems to think he's special.

 

[MotF Bane]

Wat.

That's a gay American Flag.

I mean, if you can't see the resemblance, your IQ must be like, in the negative numbers.

No, that is not an American flag. There is no such thing as a gay American flag. There is the American flag, and that is not it.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Wait, hang on a minute....

There are people in America who run organisations telling people they aren't allowed to fly any flag except an American one, then have the gall to claim they're upholding the ideals behind the American flag? Does anyone else see a problem with this?

 

[Mike Gayner]

Look at the fucktards above that want to paint their house any color they feel and maintain the property when they'd like too.

Wait, you mean there are people who want to paint their house the colour that they chose?! This is outrageous!!

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Wait, hang on a minute....

There are people in America who run organisations telling people they aren't allowed to fly any flag except an American one, then have the gall to claim they're upholding the ideals behind the American flag? Does anyone else see a problem with this?

What part of signing an agreement don't you understand? Then there is the part about his flag not actually being a US flag but instead a mutilated version of one unless you are color blind.

Oh and if you think believing that a person should only have loyalty to one flag, one nation and one people is wrong then you must not really past US presidents like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln or FDR.

 

[al981]

should be a non issue. he signed the damn contract.

 

[Carmen813]

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#173
From Chapter 1 Section 3.

....The words 'flag, standard, colors, or ensign', as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

At best, it's a mutilation of the American flag. If I'm interpreting it properly, if a passerby were to see this and believed it to be a representation of the American flag, then it falls under this sections jurisdiction.

I don't really care if the guy is displaying it, I think he has earned it (not that you need to earn it, but that's another thing). I'd think a former Marine would at least know the flag code.

 

[Double Trouble]

Wait, hang on a minute....

There are people in America who run organisations telling people they aren't allowed to fly any flag except an American one, then have the gall to claim they're upholding the ideals behind the American flag? Does anyone else see a problem with this?

Huh? Who has the "gall to claim they're upholding the ideals behind the American flag"?? Nobody said anything about upholding any ideals behind the flag. The HOA sets standards and rules for a group of houses within it's jurisdiction. It's not a government entity, it's created and run by the homeowners themselves, and when you buy a house you can choose to buy a house in a development covered by a HOA or not. You don't have to be covered by one, but most people want to be covered by a HOA because it helps property values.

Wait, you mean there are people who want to paint their house the colour that they chose?! This is outrageous!!

Are you having trouble following along with the rest of the class again?

You can do whatever you want with your house, but if you move into a house that is in a development covered by a Home Owners Association, you specifically agree to abide by the rules set forth by that association, stupid or not.

To each his own as to what you prefer, but don't move into a HOA neighborhood and then whine that you don't want to follow their rules. The only time you'll have recourse is if the rules are against the law, in which case you can take the HOA to court to prevent enforcement.