Marijuana top US cash crop.

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And, thanks to modern quality you don't have to smoke one of these to get high anymore 😉

(The look on the guys face in the background is priceless.)

Reminds me of my college graduation party.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Daaaaam...what ever happened to the old $10, 4 finger lid of the 60's? :roll:

I agree that the stuff should be legalized, regulated, heavily taxed, & sold in liquor stores or the like.
1. It would bring the price WAAAY down, and eliminate the necessity of crime to buy it.
2. Being legal, organized crime would have no financial incentive to get involved with marijuana, thus elimiating more crime.
3. Legalizing it would take a major strain and cost off the law enforcement agencies involved with investigating, arresting, and prosecuting people for marijuana related crimes, and with less people in jail for it, jail and prison costs should drop dramatically, AND, make room for more serious criminals...


Legalizing marijuana could be a win-win situation for America. Less crime, fewer people in jail, more tax revenue.
IMO, one of the major hang-ups to legalizing pot, is testing. It should be just as illegal to drive under the influence of pot as alcohol, (yes, I know it already is) and there would need to be a valid method of testing that can differentiate between what someone smoked yesterday, and what they smoked a couple of hours ago...As it stands, it stays detectable in the blood stream (urine test) for up to 30 days. It sux that you could get busted for a joint you smoked last week, or a couple of weeks ago...

A few more things as well. For one, it makes it more difficult for children to get their hands on it. Most teenagers these days can get pot more easily than alcohol. Also, it takes money away from criminals and gangs, and gives it back to communities and businesses, through means of revenues and taxes. It decreases the amount of drug dealers, while increasing the amount of legal jobs.

BTW, if it is ever legalized, I'm buying stock in pizza delivery companies. 😉

Oh, and funions. 😉

 

[1EZduzit]

That'd be 352,736,000 oz. of pot and that's just what's grown in the US. That's a lot of pot!! Maybe I better check into this..... 😉

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Marijuana is a threat to capitalism. With pot you can have fun without spending money and it can make you think. Marijuana is evil. It is very very evil. Believe that it is evil.

except for the snack industry

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Marijuana is a threat to capitalism. With pot you can have fun without spending money and it can make you think. Marijuana is evil. It is very very evil. Believe that it is evil.

except for the snack industry

And Pink Floyd album sales...

 

[Xenoid]

Everyone in this thread in support of this thread is a threat to the American way of life. You should all go die in Iraq with the rest of the towel heads terrorists. Also, these colours do not run.

Just kidding, but I'm waiting for those types to show up in this thread.

I don't and have never smoked pot. I don't care either way, probably because I live in Canada and anyone can get pot if they have 5 bucks and are at least 12 years old. Besides, so few people die from mj-related incidents it's silly. Try (legal) alcohol on for size instead.

P.S.

Forgive me for trying to open up the can of worms but I love seeing people stumble around on these forums like a pack of idiots.

 

[P.O.W.]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Daaaaam...what ever happened to the old $10, 4 finger lid of the 60's? :roll:

I agree that the stuff should be legalized, regulated, heavily taxed, & sold in liquor stores or the like.
1. It would bring the price WAAAY down, and eliminate the necessity of crime to buy it.
2. Being legal, organized crime would have no financial incentive to get involved with marijuana, thus elimiating more crime.
3. Legalizing it would take a major strain and cost off the law enforcement agencies involved with investigating, arresting, and prosecuting people for marijuana related crimes, and with less people in jail for it, jail and prison costs should drop dramatically, AND, make room for more serious criminals...


Legalizing marijuana could be a win-win situation for America. Less crime, fewer people in jail, more tax revenue.

Legalizing marijuana would lead to less crime? Thats a pipe dream... when was the last time you heard of someones car getting broken into or house robbed so someone could have a marijuana fix? I think if you legalized marijuana the meth and crack addicts would not go away and are the ones causing the majority of drug related crimes.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Where do they get $2500-3000 per pound at retail? Is Wal-Mart selling pot now?

$20/gram
28 grams/oz
16 oz/lb

=~$9000/lb

Even going by $300/oz you're still looking at $4800/lb

$20/gram? You're either a connoisseur, or you're getting ripped off 😛

The price up here is about $15-20/gram. 1/8 will run you $40-50. An ounce is about $300. So I guess the big question is, what do they consider retail? It's like costco, you save when you buy in bulk. 😛

And a lot of it is who you know...


Edit: There is also the added costs involved with cultivation up here. Everything is indoors so it' smore expensive to grow... but worth it. 😉

The marijuana of the early 1990s was an entirely different drug from the version that was available in the 1960s or 1970s. Due to modern sophisticated cultivation techniques, U.S.-grown marijuana became one of the most potent and highly-prized cannabis products in the world. While the THC (the psychoactive ingredient) content of marijuana averaged 1.5 percent in 1970, by the 1990s it was 7.6 percent. The sinsemilla (seedless) variety ranged from 8 to 19 percent, and marijuana seizures in Alaska registered a THC potency of almost 30 percent.

Alaska has traditionally grown what is far and away the most potent marijuana in North America.

Thats totally Bogus!!
When I lived in Alaska ole MJ was dirt cheap!
MJ was one of those crops you didn`t have to import from the lower 48....
So quit playing us......you should know better than that.

 

[Capitalizt]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061218/us_nm/usa_marijuana_dc

He calculated the producer price per pound of marijuana at $1,606 based on national survey data showing retail prices of between $2,400 and $3,000 between 2001 and 2005.

Psssh!! $2400-3k per pound?

That comes out to $150-$190 per ounce. Is that how much people pay these days?! Damn, I used to get the good stuff for no more than $90-100 per oz a few years ago.

And by good stuff, I mean jellybeans of course.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Where do they get $2500-3000 per pound at retail? Is Wal-Mart selling pot now?

$20/gram
28 grams/oz
16 oz/lb

=~$9000/lb

Even going by $300/oz you're still looking at $4800/lb

$20/gram? You're either a connoisseur, or you're getting ripped off 😛

The price up here is about $15-20/gram. 1/8 will run you $40-50. An ounce is about $300. So I guess the big question is, what do they consider retail? It's like costco, you save when you buy in bulk. 😛

And a lot of it is who you know...


Edit: There is also the added costs involved with cultivation up here. Everything is indoors so it' smore expensive to grow... but worth it. 😉

The marijuana of the early 1990s was an entirely different drug from the version that was available in the 1960s or 1970s. Due to modern sophisticated cultivation techniques, U.S.-grown marijuana became one of the most potent and highly-prized cannabis products in the world. While the THC (the psychoactive ingredient) content of marijuana averaged 1.5 percent in 1970, by the 1990s it was 7.6 percent. The sinsemilla (seedless) variety ranged from 8 to 19 percent, and marijuana seizures in Alaska registered a THC potency of almost 30 percent.

Alaska has traditionally grown what is far and away the most potent marijuana in North America.

Thats totally Bogus!!
When I lived in Alaska ole MJ was dirt cheap!
MJ was one of those crops you didn`t have to import from the lower 48....
So quit playing us......you should know better than that.

When did you live here? How much did you pay? Could you get an 1/8 for less than $40?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Daaaaam...what ever happened to the old $10, 4 finger lid of the 60's? :roll:

Inflation. 😀

The potency has increased over time as well. So today's $60 oz will actually get you high instead of giving you headaches like the $10 stuff did.

wow you should move to Texas..... $20 to $30.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: P.O.W.

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Daaaaam...what ever happened to the old $10, 4 finger lid of the 60's? :roll:

I agree that the stuff should be legalized, regulated, heavily taxed, & sold in liquor stores or the like.
1. It would bring the price WAAAY down, and eliminate the necessity of crime to buy it.
2. Being legal, organized crime would have no financial incentive to get involved with marijuana, thus elimiating more crime.
3. Legalizing it would take a major strain and cost off the law enforcement agencies involved with investigating, arresting, and prosecuting people for marijuana related crimes, and with less people in jail for it, jail and prison costs should drop dramatically, AND, make room for more serious criminals...


Legalizing marijuana could be a win-win situation for America. Less crime, fewer people in jail, more tax revenue.

Legalizing marijuana would lead to less crime? Thats a pipe dream... when was the last time you heard of someones car getting broken into or house robbed so someone could have a marijuana fix? I think if you legalized marijuana the meth and crack addicts would not go away and are the ones causing the majority of drug related crimes.

While I agree that crank, crack and heroin addictions cause FAR more crime,(probably 70% in our country) when pot sells for $200 to $300 or more per ounce, young people are having to resort to illegal means toget enough money to buy it. OR, do you give YOUR kids that kind of allowance? Also included in the list of crime, is posession of, sales of, transportation of, smuggling of, growing of, etc...It's fairly easy for a kid to boost stuff at the local whatever store to get enough $$ to buy some pot. It's easy to break into a car and jack a stereo to get enough $$ to buy pot...etc., etc...

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, one of the major hang-ups to legalizing pot, is testing. It should be just as illegal to drive under the influence of pot as alcohol

I'd have to disagree here. THC doesn't have the same negative effects on judgement, reflexes, vision, coordination, and other factors that influence driving that alchohol does. In fact, I'm not aware of any negative effect at all.

Regular tobacco smokers, however, have blood oxygen levels reduced by 20%, even during the time between cigarettes, which limits blood flow to the brain impairing thought.

 

[tomywishbone]

High

 

[eleison]

If pot was legal, walmart would sell it for $0.99 a pound. The us debt would not be erased because the revenue is soo small. Actually, if it was legal, the value of pot would significantly go down because marijuana is a weed.. weeds grows everywhere.. why buy it would you could easyly get it in your backyard for free.

Also the us GDP would go down. If you were a doctor, instead of working in the hospitals on the weekends, you could be stoned.. the nurses.. stoned.. The fireman.. stoned.. the cops stoned.. productivity would go down..

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: P.O.W.

Legalizing marijuana would lead to less crime? Thats a pipe dream... when was the last time you heard of someones car getting broken into or house robbed so someone could have a marijuana fix? I think if you legalized marijuana the meth and crack addicts would not go away and are the ones causing the majority of drug related crimes.

It's hardly a pipe dream. Besides the direct 'crime rate' of many people in prison for the distribution of marijuana, the billions in marijuana sales fund criminal groups.

Street gangs who are out doing all kinds of crime use drug sales, including marijuana, as a source for funding thei activities.

The fact that marijuana is distributed criminally also results in violence between the competing criminals.

The networks that distibute marijuana can also be used for other illegal products. It's a little like the way businesses expand by adding new types of products.

A retailer builds a distribution system, which allows the to add more products, which adds money to improve the distribution system, which allows more products...

Taking billions out of funding criminal groups reduces crime.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Where do they get $2500-3000 per pound at retail? Is Wal-Mart selling pot now?

$20/gram
28 grams/oz
16 oz/lb

=~$9000/lb

Even going by $300/oz you're still looking at $4800/lb

Prices vary from region to region. The closer you get to the border the cheaper the prices tend to be for drugs in general. Though Marijuana is also a big crop grown in California so competition from cheaper pot from Mexico keeps prices down generally I would suspect in the West and South West.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, one of the major hang-ups to legalizing pot, is testing. It should be just as illegal to drive under the influence of pot as alcohol

I'd have to disagree here. THC doesn't have the same negative effects on judgement, reflexes, vision, coordination, and other factors that influence driving that alchohol does. In fact, I'm not aware of any negative effect at all.

Regular tobacco smokers, however, have blood oxygen levels reduced by 20%, even during the time between cigarettes, which limits blood flow to the brain impairing thought.

lol, that was a joke right? have you ever been high before? do you seriously think you could safely operate a vehicle? i would be like,

"woah! he...he.... what are those hilariously bright lights coming right towards me! woah... its like... that time when.. uh... what was i talking about?.... lol... hahaha....... haha...."

BOOM!!!!! I'm dead.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Where do they get $2500-3000 per pound at retail? Is Wal-Mart selling pot now?

$20/gram
28 grams/oz
16 oz/lb

=~$9000/lb

Even going by $300/oz you're still looking at $4800/lb

Prices vary from region to region. The closer you get to the border the cheaper the prices tend to be for drugs in general. Though Marijuana is also a big crop grown in California so competition from cheaper pot from Mexico keeps prices down generally I would suspect in the West and South West.

Quality is a big factor in price just like wine. Sure you can go to walmart and buy one of those cartons of cheap wine, but that doesn't necessarily bring down the price of a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon since the markets for each are different. Many people would be surprised at how many different types of marijuana there are.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, one of the major hang-ups to legalizing pot, is testing. It should be just as illegal to drive under the influence of pot as alcohol

I'd have to disagree here. THC doesn't have the same negative effects on judgement, reflexes, vision, coordination, and other factors that influence driving that alchohol does. In fact, I'm not aware of any negative effect at all.

Regular tobacco smokers, however, have blood oxygen levels reduced by 20%, even during the time between cigarettes, which limits blood flow to the brain impairing thought.

lol, that was a joke right? have you ever been high before? do you seriously think you could safely operate a vehicle? i would be like,

"woah! he...he.... what are those hilariously bright lights coming right towards me! woah... its like... that time when.. uh... what was i talking about?.... lol... hahaha....... haha...."

BOOM!!!!! I'm dead.

Not everyone behaves in the stereotypical cheech & chong manner while under the influence of marijuana. A person that uses (note use!=abuse) it everyday can actually function fine without any one even being able to notice, just like people who take pain killers regularly can. Its really interesting how people behave according to how they think they are supposed to when it comes to all drugs. I've seen people tricked into thinking they have taken a drug they did not, and all of a sudden they will start acting in the stereotypical way they've seen people on that drug act in movies and what not.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, one of the major hang-ups to legalizing pot, is testing. It should be just as illegal to drive under the influence of pot as alcohol

I'd have to disagree here. THC doesn't have the same negative effects on judgement, reflexes, vision, coordination, and other factors that influence driving that alchohol does. In fact, I'm not aware of any negative effect at all.

Regular tobacco smokers, however, have blood oxygen levels reduced by 20%, even during the time between cigarettes, which limits blood flow to the brain impairing thought.

lol, that was a joke right? have you ever been high before? do you seriously think you could safely operate a vehicle? i would be like,

"woah! he...he.... what are those hilariously bright lights coming right towards me! woah... its like... that time when.. uh... what was i talking about?.... lol... hahaha....... haha...."

BOOM!!!!! I'm dead.

Not everyone behaves in the stereotypical cheech & chong manner while under the influence of marijuana. A person that uses (note use!=abuse) it everyday can actually function fine without any one even being able to notice, just like people who take pain killers regularly can. Its really interesting how people behave according to how they think they are supposed to when it comes to all drugs. I've seen people tricked into thinking they have taken a drug they did not, and all of a sudden they will start acting in the stereotypical way they've seen people on that drug act in movies and what not.

But can you seriously say that someone who just smoked can drive just as well as someone who is fine? I mean, even driving while slightly tired is incredibly dangerous. It just doesnt sit well with me that the guy coming headon towards me a 55mph has just smoked a joint.... I mean, sure, its not like alcohol, where you see double, and have completely zero coordination, but i would say the main problem is focus. when you smoke, it is hard to pay attension to what you really need to be doing. and, it would take an extreme amount of responsibility to drive while high on weed, that i cannot trust other drivers being high.

And, you say that most people do the "cheech and chong" thing, just because they think they should, so, why wouldnt they be doing that when they are driving?

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: eleison
If pot was legal, walmart would sell it for $0.99 a pound. The us debt would not be erased because the revenue is soo small. Actually, if it was legal, the value of pot would significantly go down because marijuana is a weed.. weeds grows everywhere.. why buy it would you could easyly get it in your backyard for free.

Also the us GDP would go down. If you were a doctor, instead of working in the hospitals on the weekends, you could be stoned.. the nurses.. stoned.. The fireman.. stoned.. the cops stoned.. productivity would go down..

sure, maybe walmart could sell it at 99 cents/lb...but that would be before taxes. society knows that people who smoke will pay $50(+/- $10) an eighth. once it is legal the price would go down, but the government would keep prices up with new taxes. to keep people from growing the plant themselves the gov. would enact a law similar to the current liquor laws.

I doubt the GDP would change much. you would be surprised how many people are closet tokers.

 

[crownjules]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The newest stats I could find were from 1999. In 1999 corn retailed at about $0.86/lb. (I have no idea how much corn costs today but it can't be that much more) Depending on how you figure it, pot costs $5000-9000/lb at retail. So pot sells for 6000-10,000 times what corn sells for.

So you have to sell 3-5 tons of corn to equal the dollar amount of one pound of marijuana.

You'd have to figure that, when/if marijuana becomes legal, the price of it will drop significantly due to there being no risk involved and people being able to grow in large quantities more efficiently. I'd say it'd probably fall into a price range above tobacco.

Marijuana is not a hard crop to grow, it's just that right now people have to do it descretely and that is not cheap.

EDIT: Actually, marijuana would probably sell for less then tobacco. Tobacco has to be carefully cultivated. Weed is...well, a weed.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, one of the major hang-ups to legalizing pot, is testing. It should be just as illegal to drive under the influence of pot as alcohol

I'd have to disagree here. THC doesn't have the same negative effects on judgement, reflexes, vision, coordination, and other factors that influence driving that alchohol does. In fact, I'm not aware of any negative effect at all.

Regular tobacco smokers, however, have blood oxygen levels reduced by 20%, even during the time between cigarettes, which limits blood flow to the brain impairing thought.

lol, that was a joke right? have you ever been high before? do you seriously think you could safely operate a vehicle? i would be like,

"woah! he...he.... what are those hilariously bright lights coming right towards me! woah... its like... that time when.. uh... what was i talking about?.... lol... hahaha....... haha...."

BOOM!!!!! I'm dead.

Not everyone behaves in the stereotypical cheech & chong manner while under the influence of marijuana. A person that uses (note use!=abuse) it everyday can actually function fine without any one even being able to notice, just like people who take pain killers regularly can. Its really interesting how people behave according to how they think they are supposed to when it comes to all drugs. I've seen people tricked into thinking they have taken a drug they did not, and all of a sudden they will start acting in the stereotypical way they've seen people on that drug act in movies and what not.

But can you seriously say that someone who just smoked can drive just as well as someone who is fine? I mean, even driving while slightly tired is incredibly dangerous. It just doesnt sit well with me that the guy coming headon towards me a 55mph has just smoked a joint.... I mean, sure, its not like alcohol, where you see double, and have completely zero coordination, but i would say the main problem is focus. when you smoke, it is hard to pay attension to what you really need to be doing. and, it would take an extreme amount of responsibility to drive while high on weed, that i cannot trust other drivers being high.

And, you say that most people do the "cheech and chong" thing, just because they think they should, so, why wouldnt they be doing that when they are driving?

No I can't say that and wouldn't. They are still impaired even if its not noticeable just as you mention a tired person is. But there are thresholds, I guess where even if you are tired you can still safely drive to a point, I do it all the time :moon:. Even with alcohol which is easier to see how it impairs driving ability, the line between safe and unsafe is not so simple to define. Same with many RX meds, just read the little warning about not operating heavy machinery until you are comfortable with the effects. The point is if you are impaired to the point you can't drive then you shouldn't be allowed to legally, but not everyone who smokes pot gets that imaired anytime they do.

With cheech and chong behaviour I hope that most of the people that act like that aren't old enough to drive anyways, but they could act that way even while sober.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, one of the major hang-ups to legalizing pot, is testing. It should be just as illegal to drive under the influence of pot as alcohol

I'd have to disagree here. THC doesn't have the same negative effects on judgement, reflexes, vision, coordination, and other factors that influence driving that alchohol does. In fact, I'm not aware of any negative effect at all.

Regular tobacco smokers, however, have blood oxygen levels reduced by 20%, even during the time between cigarettes, which limits blood flow to the brain impairing thought.

lol, that was a joke right? have you ever been high before? do you seriously think you could safely operate a vehicle? i would be like,

"woah! he...he.... what are those hilariously bright lights coming right towards me! woah... its like... that time when.. uh... what was i talking about?.... lol... hahaha....... haha...."

BOOM!!!!! I'm dead.

Not everyone behaves in the stereotypical cheech & chong manner while under the influence of marijuana. A person that uses (note use!=abuse) it everyday can actually function fine without any one even being able to notice, just like people who take pain killers regularly can. Its really interesting how people behave according to how they think they are supposed to when it comes to all drugs. I've seen people tricked into thinking they have taken a drug they did not, and all of a sudden they will start acting in the stereotypical way they've seen people on that drug act in movies and what not.

But can you seriously say that someone who just smoked can drive just as well as someone who is fine? I mean, even driving while slightly tired is incredibly dangerous. It just doesnt sit well with me that the guy coming headon towards me a 55mph has just smoked a joint.... I mean, sure, its not like alcohol, where you see double, and have completely zero coordination, but i would say the main problem is focus. when you smoke, it is hard to pay attension to what you really need to be doing. and, it would take an extreme amount of responsibility to drive while high on weed, that i cannot trust other drivers being high.

And, you say that most people do the "cheech and chong" thing, just because they think they should, so, why wouldnt they be doing that when they are driving?

Can you think of the last time someone in your town/city got in an fatal accident due to smoking marijuana? I live in the OC where everyone and their damn mom does it and I have not once seen or heard of someone high causing an accident. When I used to smoke heavily I had no problem driving under the influence. Alcohol on the other hand...I wouldnt even think of stepping into a vehicle if I felt I was over the legal limit.