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Originally posted by: Heller
Originally posted by: yllus
What's the second A in AAT stand for?
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anandtech?


But i do not agree letting more harmful drugs (coke/meth/heroin) should be legal, those are more sophisticated drugs that do long term harm on the body.
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Why the double standard? 😛 I know some long term pot smokers that are no better off than a hard drug user.

I think it is a public safety concern.

And here is why legalization of drugs is illogical. If Experts say "this is a disease" and we need to treat it that way, as a debilitating disease, why would we change gears 180 and tell all those junkies sure kill yourself or just ruin your life we are collecting tax dollars. So effectively we have a right to tax people while they are ruining their life, health, mental health, their kids lives and corroding our culture in general? No please don't say we do that with smoking cigarettes or Alcohol already. That is a red herring. Comparisons are just that, comparisons and not a rationalization on why drugs should be legalized.

Swizterland legalized drugs and suddenly had all the zombies not in Amsterdam roaming the streets passing out and making Switzerland rethink it's policy due to the number of low lifes littering the streets with their unkept junkie selves. Is it Oregon that is starting to have the same problem? Or is it Washington?
 
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Heller
Originally posted by: yllus
What's the second A in AAT stand for?
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anandtech?


But i do not agree letting more harmful drugs (coke/meth/heroin) should be legal, those are more sophisticated drugs that do long term harm on the body.
Click to expand...

Why the double standard? 😛

I think it is a public safety concern.

And here is why legalization of drugs is illogical. If Experts say "this is a disease" and we need to treat it that way, as a debilitating disease, why would we change gears 180 and tell all those junkies sure kill yourself or just ruin your life we are collecting tax dollars. So effectively we have a right to tax people while they are ruining their life, health, mental health, their kids lives and corroding our culture in general? No please don't say we do that with smoking cigarettes or Alcohol already. That is a red herring. Comparisons are just that, comparisons and not a rationalization on why drugs should be legalized.

Swizterland legalized drugs and suddenly had all the zombies not in Amsterdam roaming the streets passing out and making Switzerland rethink it's policy due to the number of low lifes littering the streets with their unkept junkie selves.
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Swizterland does not have an issue with drugs it has an issue with the huge numbers of un-employed immigrants from North Africa and the Middle-East hanging out on street corners. Their issue has to do with the fact that they have not done a good enough job at accepting and integrating their growing immigrant populace. A populace for whom the free and open nature of Switerzlands society and drug laws is way to much for them to handle.
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Heller
Originally posted by: yllus
What's the second A in AAT stand for?
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anandtech?


But i do not agree letting more harmful drugs (coke/meth/heroin) should be legal, those are more sophisticated drugs that do long term harm on the body.
Click to expand...

Why the double standard? 😛

I think it is a public safety concern.

And here is why legalization of drugs is illogical. If Experts say "this is a disease" and we need to treat it that way, as a debilitating disease, why would we change gears 180 and tell all those junkies sure kill yourself or just ruin your life we are collecting tax dollars. So effectively we have a right to tax people while they are ruining their life, health, mental health, their kids lives and corroding our culture in general? No please don't say we do that with smoking cigarettes or Alcohol already. That is a red herring. Comparisons are just that, comparisons and not a rationalization on why drugs should be legalized.

Swizterland legalized drugs and suddenly had all the zombies not in Amsterdam roaming the streets passing out and making Switzerland rethink it's policy due to the number of low lifes littering the streets with their unkept junkie selves.
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Swizterland does not have an issue with drugs it has an issue with the huge numbers of un-employed immigrants from North Africa and the Middle-East hanging out on street corners. Their issue has to do with the fact that they have not done a good enough job at accepting and integrating their growing immigrant populace. A populace for whom the free and open nature of Switerzlands society and drug laws is way to much for them to handle.
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Yeah all the muslim refugees from Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.
Can't assimilate...XD


 
All drugs should be legal.
Anything you do in the privacy of your own home, that doesn't infringe on anyone elses rights, should be legal.
 
Legalize it. The government shouldn't regulate a person's right to be stupid. If tobacco is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be
 
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Legalize and tax it.

Everyone who sais MJ should be illegal has likely never smoked it.
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That's crap. I've never done any drug other than alcohol and caffeine, and I support total legalization. You shouldn't legalize things you enjoy, you should legalize things because it's the right thing to do.
 
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Heller
Originally posted by: yllus
What's the second A in AAT stand for?
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anandtech?


But i do not agree letting more harmful drugs (coke/meth/heroin) should be legal, those are more sophisticated drugs that do long term harm on the body.
Click to expand...

Why the double standard? 😛

I think it is a public safety concern.

And here is why legalization of drugs is illogical. If Experts say "this is a disease" and we need to treat it that way, as a debilitating disease, why would we change gears 180 and tell all those junkies sure kill yourself or just ruin your life we are collecting tax dollars. So effectively we have a right to tax people while they are ruining their life, health, mental health, their kids lives and corroding our culture in general? No please don't say we do that with smoking cigarettes or Alcohol already. That is a red herring. Comparisons are just that, comparisons and not a rationalization on why drugs should be legalized.

Swizterland legalized drugs and suddenly had all the zombies not in Amsterdam roaming the streets passing out and making Switzerland rethink it's policy due to the number of low lifes littering the streets with their unkept junkie selves.
Click to expand...

Swizterland does not have an issue with drugs it has an issue with the huge numbers of un-employed immigrants from North Africa and the Middle-East hanging out on street corners. Their issue has to do with the fact that they have not done a good enough job at accepting and integrating their growing immigrant populace. A populace for whom the free and open nature of Switerzlands society and drug laws is way to much for them to handle.
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Yeah all the muslim refugees from Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.
Can't assimilate...XD
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That is your opinion. The truth is that Europe has never been a melting pot unlike the Untied States. Yet lets not go off on a tangent here.
 
Originally posted by: EXman
And here is why legalization of drugs is illogical. If Experts say "this is a disease" and we need to treat it that way, as a debilitating disease, why would we change gears 180 and tell all those junkies sure kill yourself or just ruin your life we are collecting tax dollars. So effectively we have a right to tax people while they are ruining their life, health, mental health, their kids lives and corroding our culture in general? No please don't say we do that with smoking cigarettes or Alcohol already. That is a red herring. Comparisons are just that, comparisons and not a rationalization on why drugs should be legalized.
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Drugs aren't a disease and don't cause disease (when used responsibly). Some people have addictive personalities where they have a weakness for drugs, booze and cigarettes, gambling, shopping, eating, petty theft and posting in forums.

Do you support a fascist nanny state that decides what is best for everyone? Criminalizing fast food and snack treats because they can cause type 2 diabetes?

And no, I don't use drugs, smoke or drink. I support this because I'm in favor of personal freedom with personal responsibility.

I posted earlier a number of objective benefits we're guaranteed to gain from decriminalizing marijuana. So far the main counter-arguments have been speculation of massively increased use that don't seem to agree with the example of prohibition.

Also, I forgot to list that if we are getting hundreds of millions in revenue while saving billions in interdiction and imprisonment costs, we'll have piles of extra money to help the weak "diseseased" few that can't regulate themselves.
 
Legalize all drugs. The government should punish the irresponsible and wreckless individuals (people that like to drive drunk and potentially cause harm to others), but it shouldn't punish those that are responsible and have not hurt anyone.
 
Originally posted by: Comanche
Sorry I don't have a study for you, just Kohlberg's stages of Moral Development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development

Sorry, I can't get the whole thing to sticky. Just google it.
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wtf does that have to do with this?

mj is already mainstream.

its easy to get.

almost easier to get for kids than cigs because the under ground channels are already there.

legalizing it wouldn't cause any safety issues. it would just keep your grandma from having to buy it from a thug.

The war on drugs has failed. like it or not, mj isnt going anywhere. As others have stated, look at cities where it is legal. No direct crime correlation to the legality of drugs.

I stand firm that it should have the same restrictions of alcohol.... no smoking and driving. must be at least 21. etc.

but anythign to do with weed shouldnt be an imprisonable offense.

legalize it. let peopel grow it or buy it from a licensed shop. they smoke it anyway. might as well tax it, profit, and relieve the prison systems.



does feeling this way make me less moral than you? did you post that link so you could stand on higher ground against your arguments? i dont understand.

as others have stated.. your argument about it being "mainstream" is naive, false, and misguided. this is not a slight against your "moral fabric". Just saying, as someone who grew up in the city and around it, I'm more aware of how embedded the drug is into culture.

I'd rather my kids stay at home and smoke weed than go out and party and drink.

My parents were relax with my step brother and drinking. mistake, as he turned into a drunk. My parents came down harshly on my younger step brother, and didnt let him drink. However, they allowed for him to stay home and smoke out with his friends if he wanted to. (my parents are hippies).. the brother that stayed at home and smoked, he stayed home, did his home work, smoked, and played video games. got scholarships and is now finishing up his bachelors in electrical engineering.

 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Legalize and tax it.

Everyone who sais MJ should be illegal has likely never smoked it.
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That's crap. I've never done any drug other than alcohol and caffeine, and I support total legalization. You shouldn't legalize things you enjoy, you should legalize things because it's the right thing to do.
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Perhaps you should reread my post.
 
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Legalize and tax it.

Everyone who sais MJ should be illegal has likely never smoked it.
Click to expand...

That's crap. I've never done any drug other than alcohol and caffeine, and I support total legalization. You shouldn't legalize things you enjoy, you should legalize things because it's the right thing to do.
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Perhaps you should reread my post.
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Perhaps you should reread his....


hehehe!


Sigh, anyway, I wonder if Obama would legalize it?


He'd have my vote!


 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Legalize it and treat it much like alcohol.

We spend billions of dollars every year trying to keep it out of our borders and can't even keep it out of our schools.
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agreed.

 
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

Our society started out on a certain level of morality and ideology. And we are slowly going to one where everything is allowed. Seems like that happened in history a couple of time before and look where they are. In Science there is a term that suggest going from a well structure system to one that is less organized. Can't think of the word right now. By suggesting that we legalize drugs that is just what is happening here.
 
Originally posted by: ericlp
Sigh, anyway, I wonder if Obama would legalize it?
He'd have my vote!
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Considering that he doesn't even acknowledge the issue on his website, I wouldn't think that's the case.
 
Originally posted by: Comanche
Our society started out on a certain level of morality and ideology. And we are slowly going to one where everything is allowed.
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Not America. You used to be able to legally buy opium, cocaine, dynamite and handguns without a background check or waiting period. And the founding fathers were hard-drinking men who'd probably challenge you to a pistol duel if you told them they needed to give up their hard liquor "for the children."

I suspect you've bought the myth of Ward Cleaver, a non-existent version of the 1950's where god-fearing white men ruled (with scotch in hand) and everyone else knew their place.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ericlp
Sigh, anyway, I wonder if Obama would legalize it?
He'd have my vote!
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Considering that he doesn't even acknowledge the issue on his website, I wouldn't think that's the case.
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He's admitted to using drugs before, but he's not for legalizing anything. The only thing he's for is medical marijuana, but he still believes it should be kept under very strict control or it'll lead to a 'slippery slope.' Freedom gets the shaft, once again..
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Heller
Originally posted by: yllus
What's the second A in AAT stand for?
Click to expand...

anandtech?


But i do not agree letting more harmful drugs (coke/meth/heroin) should be legal, those are more sophisticated drugs that do long term harm on the body.
Click to expand...

Why the double standard? 😛

I think it is a public safety concern.

And here is why legalization of drugs is illogical. If Experts say "this is a disease" and we need to treat it that way, as a debilitating disease, why would we change gears 180 and tell all those junkies sure kill yourself or just ruin your life we are collecting tax dollars. So effectively we have a right to tax people while they are ruining their life, health, mental health, their kids lives and corroding our culture in general? No please don't say we do that with smoking cigarettes or Alcohol already. That is a red herring. Comparisons are just that, comparisons and not a rationalization on why drugs should be legalized.

Swizterland legalized drugs and suddenly had all the zombies not in Amsterdam roaming the streets passing out and making Switzerland rethink it's policy due to the number of low lifes littering the streets with their unkept junkie selves.
Click to expand...

Swizterland does not have an issue with drugs it has an issue with the huge numbers of un-employed immigrants from North Africa and the Middle-East hanging out on street corners. Their issue has to do with the fact that they have not done a good enough job at accepting and integrating their growing immigrant populace. A populace for whom the free and open nature of Switerzlands society and drug laws is way to much for them to handle.
Click to expand...

Yeah all the muslim refugees from Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.
Can't assimilate...XD
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That is your opinion. The truth is that Europe has never been a melting pot unlike the Untied States. Yet lets not go off on a tangent here.
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It's a fact brainiac.

Eurabia is being consumed by muslim immigrants and refugees. It's been well-documented that these people are UNABLE to assimilate (more so than our latino brethren) and have thus secluded themselves in communities and muslim-only areas.

Look at Sweden, Denmark, England, the Netherlands...these countries are bending over backwards for this barbaric culture in the name of tolerance and progress. Just wait, 10 years from now and you won't be able to walk outside and say f**k allah or surf p0rn without being beaten to death by a Quran.

 
Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

Our society started out on a certain level of morality and ideology. And we are slowly going to one where everything is allowed. Seems like that happened in history a couple of time before and look where they are. In Science there is a term that suggest going from a well structure system to one that is less organized. Can't think of the word right now. By suggesting that we legalize drugs that is just what is happening here.
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most likely you are trying to evoke the old bs about the romans. Suffice it to say that hedonism was alive and well and the republic and empire bloomed, and then was repressed as the empire fell. Not that there was any correlation between the two anyways.

america did the same, like dave simmons mentioned you used to be able to do all sorts of things, and these myths that you have in your head just aren't true.

 
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Legalize and tax it.

Everyone who sais MJ should be illegal has likely never smoked it.
Click to expand...

That's crap. I've never done any drug other than alcohol and caffeine, and I support total legalization. You shouldn't legalize things you enjoy, you should legalize things because it's the right thing to do.
Click to expand...

Perhaps you should reread my post.
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k. Done.

That's crap. I've never done any drug other than alcohol and caffeine, and I support total legalization. You shouldn't legalize things you enjoy, you should legalize things because it's the right thing to do.

Seriously, the only thing I can figure from your post is that you figure people who have done it either don't want to suffer punishments for their actions, or would like it and therefore want it legal. If you meant something else, I'm not getting it.
 
Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

Our society started out on a certain level of morality and ideology. And we are slowly going to one where everything is allowed. Seems like that happened in history a couple of time before and look where they are. In Science there is a term that suggest going from a well structure system to one that is less organized. Can't think of the word right now. By suggesting that we legalize drugs that is just what is happening here.
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I want them all legalized. I've never done one, and never would do one. Neither would they ever be allowed in my house. I have children, and I'm sure there's a VERY good chance that they're going to experiment with at least some form of drug in their life.

There is a BIG difference between government and morality, and I'd like to see that difference grow even larger.
 
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