Marijuana Kills

Saysys

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?Studies suggest that marijuana smoke contains 50% higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer than cigarette smoke. Marijuana smokers also tend to inhale deeper than cigarette smokers and hold the inhaled smoke in their lungs longer.?

from webmd.com/content/Article/122/114805 .htm?pagenumber=2

I know likely killing yourself isn't going to stop someone who's destroying there mind with this crap, but you should still be informed.
 

Rainsford

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Do studies also suggest that very few people smoke a pack of joints a day?

Not that I'm a big fan of smoking weed, just trying to make sure that when you are considering all the facts, you are considering ALL the facts ;)
 

EatSpam

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Why not leave potheads alone with their poision and we'll leave you alone with whatever your poison is... religion, maybe?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Why not leave potheads alone with their poision and we'll leave you alone with whatever your poison is... religion, maybe?

I'm thinking feeling superior to those around him :D

It's a powerful drug, and awfully addictive.
 

Saysys

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Do studies also suggest that very few people smoke a pack of joints a day?

Not that I'm a big fan of smoking weed, just trying to make sure that when you are considering all the facts, you are considering ALL the facts ;)

http://mt.gov/revenue/programsandservices/onestop-cigarette.asp
"1.80 ounces of ...tobacco constitutes one pack of cigarettes"

I know a guy that'll go through a QP in 3 days with no trouble at all, which is the same as smoking over a pack a day: standard stoner.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Why not leave potheads alone with their poision and we'll leave you alone with whatever your poison is... religion, maybe?

I'm thinking feeling superior to those around him :D

It's a powerful drug, and awfully addictive.

I'm concerned for my friends.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Saysys
now a guy that'll go through a QP in 3 days with no trouble at all, which is the same as smoking over a pack a day: standard stoner.




Standard Stoner, wait arent potheads lazy and unmotivated?
A QP is about 800$ worth of weed!!! I call shens. Maybe a Quarter in three days. That is a quarter of a OZ tho, 16 OZ to a pound, you are full of it.
 

Saysys

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Saysys
now a guy that'll go through a QP in 3 days with no trouble at all, which is the same as smoking over a pack a day: standard stoner.




Standard Stoner, wait arent potheads lazy and unmotivated?
A QP is about 800$ worth of weed!!! I call shens. Maybe a Quarter in three days. That is a quarter of a OZ tho, 16 OZ to a pound, you are full of it.

Where i'm from you can get a pound for $200; and he does, twice a month.
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Study finds marijuana not a cause for cancer


?Results 'against our expectations,' researchers say (Houston Chronicle)

Seriously man, reading that anti-MJ propaganda will make your nuts shrink, didn't you know?
You beat me to it.

from the link you provided:
"marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar."

even your propaganda pages are truthful enough to admit that this stuff is deadly.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Study finds marijuana not a cause for cancer


?Results 'against our expectations,' researchers say (Houston Chronicle)

Seriously man, reading that anti-MJ propaganda will make your nuts shrink, didn't you know?
You beat me to it.

from the link you provided:
"marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar."

even your propaganda pages are truthful enough to admit that this stuff is deadly.


And notice also people generally smoke out of waterpipes or bubblers, tar/coughing sux.
Any smoker coughs far more then a pothead unless he is actually holding the smoke in, -more fearmongering.
Tar from cigarettes coats the lungs, tar from a bong gets scraped and recycled. You dont get out much do you?
 

Cobalt

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What is your real motivation behind your crusade against the "dangers" of marijuana?
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: cobalt
What is your real motivation behind your crusade against the "dangers" of marijuana?



He is trying to save our precious white wimmin from being seduced by the drug crazed abandon of the devil weed!

Same sh1t/lies different decade.
 

MiniDoom

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Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Study finds marijuana not a cause for cancer


?Results 'against our expectations,' researchers say (Houston Chronicle)

Seriously man, reading that anti-MJ propaganda will make your nuts shrink, didn't you know?
You beat me to it.

from the link you provided:
"marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar."

even your propaganda pages are truthful enough to admit that this stuff is deadly.

Why are you so concerned about how other people choose to live their life? Especially ones who cause little or no harm to anyone. There are many other things we should concentrate our limited resources on other than prosecuting marijuana smokers.
 

Saysys

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Study finds marijuana not a cause for cancer


?Results 'against our expectations,' researchers say (Houston Chronicle)

Seriously man, reading that anti-MJ propaganda will make your nuts shrink, didn't you know?
You beat me to it.

from the link you provided:
"marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar."

even your propaganda pages are truthful enough to admit that this stuff is deadly.


And notice also people generally smoke out of waterpipes or bubblers, tar/coughing sux.
Any smoker coughs far more then a pothead unless he is actually holding the smoke in, -more fear mongering.
Tar from cigarettes coats the lungs, tar from a bong gets scraped and recycled. You dont get out much do you?
http://healthaction.nelson.org.nz/Dope_Tips_II.htm

"smoking through a bong takes out a lot of the THC but not a lot of the tar."
What is your real motivation behind your crusade against the "dangers" of marijuana?
Inform people about the dangers of there life-style choices so that they can make a more rational judgment about what decisions to make.
There are many other things we should concentrate our limited resources on other than prosecuting marijuana smokers.
prosecution and informing people about the dangers of there lifestyle choices are two different things.
 

Steeplerot

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The government can spread their own lies, it is about the only thing they are somewhat competent of lately. Anyone with a clue got tired of this fearmongering in elementary school.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Saysys
from webmd.com/content/Article/122/114805 .htm?pagenumber=2
What's that I smell burning? It isn't pot. It's bullsh8. Cutting and pasting your link goes to an invalid page, but this link on the same site says completely the opposite:
Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer

By Peggy Peck
WebMD Medical News


May 8, 2000 (Boston) -- Marijuana, unlike tobacco and alcohol, does not appear to cause head, neck, or lung cancer, says a researcher from Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore who presented findings from a study here recently at a meeting of internal medicine physicians.

There has been an ongoing debate about whether marijuana is as dangerous as tobacco in terms of cancer development. Daniel E. Ford, MD, tried to sort out the evidence by the lifestyles -- including marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol use -- of 164 persons who were newly diagnosed with head, neck, or lung cancer compared to a group of 526 healthy persons living in the same area. The average age of patients was 49, while the average age of the healthy volunteers was 44. The cancer patients were all treated at four Baltimore-area hospitals, and the "controls" (healthy comparison group) were selected from a large group of people living in the Baltimore area who had been participating in an ongoing study. Ford tells WebMD that he wanted to find out whether the cancer patients were more likely to smoke marijuana or tobacco or to drink than were the healthy volunteers.

According to Ford, he thought he would find an association between marijuana use and cancer, but "that the association would fall away when we corrected for tobacco use. That was not the case. The association was never there." And that surprised him because of the way marijuana is smoked: deep inhalations, with the smoke held in for effect. "It seemed natural that there would be some connection," he tells WebMD.

Based on these findings, Ford says that cancer prevention efforts should "remain focused on tobacco and alcohol, two known carcinogens."

He says his conclusions differ from another study reported recently. That study linked marijuana use to cancer, but Ford says he thinks the difference can be explained by the fact that the healthy volunteers in that study "had very, very low use of marijuana." That contrasts to his study, in which "we were investigating the effect of marijuana as it is commonly used in the community," he says. Use of all substances -- tobacco, alcohol, and marijuana -- was common among both cancer patients and controls, he says.

"We attempted to assess both lifetime and current use of substances," he says. Participants were also asked to differentiate between use of marijuana cigarettes, marijuana pipes, or consumed marijuana. Distinctions were also made between weekend and weekday use of marijuana, he says.

"Ever use of marijuana was 66% among controls and 60% among the cases," he says. "Daily marijuana use for a month or more was not associated with increased risk, nor was age at first use, depth of inhalation, or use of a pipe." Surprisingly, using marijuana was not associated with increased cancer risk, even among those who never used tobacco, he says.

During the discussion period after the presentation, several people suggested that lack of quantity may explain why no association was found, because the number of marijuana cigarettes smoked is much lower than the number of tobacco cigarettes smoked. "It is true that we can't really correlate pack-years," says Ford, "and it should be noted that about 30% of the marijuana smokers never smoke cigarettes."

While this study suggests that marijuana has no link to head, neck, and lung cancer, a multicenter study released in March at an American Heart Association meeting linked marijuana use to increased risk of heart attacks. Murray A. Mittleman, MD, PhD, director of cardiovascular epidemiology at Beth Israel-Deaconess Hospital in Boston, told WebMD that marijuana smokers experience a 4.8-fold increase in the relative risk of heart attack during the first hour after smoking. The risk returns to normal after an hour, he said.

Vital Information:
  • New research shows that marijuana use is not associated with an increased risk of head, neck, or lung cancers.
  • One researcher argues that cancer prevention efforts should remain focused on tobacco and alcohol, both known carcinogens.
  • Although there is no evidence that marijuana smoking increases the risk of cancer, studies have shown that marijuana smokers have a nearly five-fold increased risk of having a heart attack during the first hour after smoking.
So assuming the article in your link is just missing from the site, we have dualing articles at twenty paces. Their seconds will call on you in the morning. :p
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Do studies also suggest that very few people smoke a pack of joints a day?

Not that I'm a big fan of smoking weed, just trying to make sure that when you are considering all the facts, you are considering ALL the facts ;)
I've been a musician and otherwise around the entertainment business since the 60's, and I do enjoy a toke now and then. I don't know anyone who can do twenty quarter inch thick joints a day by himself, and anyone who can should call the cops, not because it's illegal, but because what they bought isn't pot, and they were ripped off. :roll:
 

ZeGermans

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Here's the explaination for the discrepancy between cancer rates and the amount of cancer-causing chemicals:
THC expands the bronciols (sp?) and nicotine retracts them. Proportionally, a lot more stuff gets trapped in their from cigarettes. It's not what goes in; it's what doesn't come back out.
 

MiniDoom

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Originally posted by: Saysys
prosecution and informing people about the dangers of there lifestyle choices are two different things.
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I?m sure we can find something ?not good? that you do OP. Maybe alcohol, caffeine, chocolate, bacon, who knows, but I?m sure there is something.
 

HombrePequeno

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Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Saysys
now a guy that'll go through a QP in 3 days with no trouble at all, which is the same as smoking over a pack a day: standard stoner.




Standard Stoner, wait arent potheads lazy and unmotivated?
A QP is about 800$ worth of weed!!! I call shens. Maybe a Quarter in three days. That is a quarter of a OZ tho, 16 OZ to a pound, you are full of it.

Where i'm from you can get a pound for $200; and he does, twice a month.
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Study finds marijuana not a cause for cancer


?Results 'against our expectations,' researchers say (Houston Chronicle)

Seriously man, reading that anti-MJ propaganda will make your nuts shrink, didn't you know?
You beat me to it.

from the link you provided:
"marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar."

even your propaganda pages are truthful enough to admit that this stuff is deadly.

WhereTF do you live that you can get a pound for $200? That's about the price of an ounce here depending on the quality you want. I honestly want to know because you can make a killing off of that if you can get a pound for $200. You're really lucky if you can get it for $2000 here.

Unless your friend has lots of friends helping him smoke that quarter pound of weed, there's no way he can go through it in 3 days. A few of my friends smoke a lot of weed and they couldn't get anywhere near smoking a quarter pound by themselves. Even a quarter ounce would be a pretty large amount for them. The only way your friend is going through a quarter of a pound in 3 days is if he's selling it (I would too for $200 a pound but I really think you're getting your pounds and ounces mixed up).

There's no way in hell someone smoking a quarter pound a day is your standard stoner.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Saysys
now a guy that'll go through a QP in 3 days with no trouble at all, which is the same as smoking over a pack a day: standard stoner.

Standard Stoner, wait arent potheads lazy and unmotivated?
A QP is about 800$ worth of weed!!! I call shens. Maybe a Quarter in three days. That is a quarter of a OZ tho, 16 OZ to a pound, you are full of it.

I was going to say... I knew some people who spent every day high as a kite and they might go through an 1/8th every couple days, sharing with friends of course. A QP would be insane.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Harvey

I've been a musician and otherwise around the entertainment business since the 60's, and I do enjoy a toke now and then. I don't know anyone who can do twenty quarter inch thick joints a day by himself, and anyone who can should call the cops, not because it's illegal, but because what they bought isn't pot, and they were ripped off. :roll:


If someone is smoking 20 1/4 joints..dont call the cops, call me!

I could use one today ;)
 

Saysys

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Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: Saysys
prosecution and informing people about the dangers of there lifestyle choices are two different things.

I?m sure we can find something ?not good? that you do OP. Maybe alcohol, caffeine, chocolate, bacon, who knows, but I?m sure there is something.

of course, but i don't mind at all when people bring up new data about dumb stuff i do, i prefer to be fully informed.
 

MiniDoom

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Harvey

I've been a musician and otherwise around the entertainment business since the 60's, and I do enjoy a toke now and then. I don't know anyone who can do twenty quarter inch thick joints a day by himself, and anyone who can should call the cops, not because it's illegal, but because what they bought isn't pot, and they were ripped off. :roll:


If someone is smoking 20 1/4 joints..dont call the cops, call me!

I could use one today ;)

I would FedEx you one if it wasn't illegal.:p