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March 6,1836...6:30a.m Remember the Alamo

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I have 2 nieces in Texas, and as they would say "Don't mess with Texas!"
 


<< "Don't mess with Texas!" >>



your damn right!!!! Anybody in San Antionio know if there doing anything special at the alamo today and if so what? Im a bit too far to drive down there (3 hrs) but was curious as to what was going on there today...
 


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<< And since the cout of MExican soldiers in Total has never been a source of dispute (3,000-3,500), such a quote made would be more in line with much higher body count as the Mexican officers reported. >>





<< I agree that the total army was about 3500 strong, BUT Santa Anna did not attack the Alamo with the entire force. >>



That is true although we will have to agree to disagree about the total of men sent in 🙂

I'm going to stick with the accouts by the Mexican Officers. Every other first hand accout was from women who couldn't stop to count the bodies.



<< Again, the actual numbers detract nothing from the sacrifice made. But since many readers here don't know that there is room for debate, its important to present alternative accounts. >>



I agree but the amount of differnt accouts is enormous. There are at least 5 i can think of that have different numbers than we have prestented but only 2 have the Mexican account at under 1,000.



<< And yes, Santa Anna wasn't loved by all. 😀 Apparently he had illusions of granduer, thinking that he would build an unstoppable force as he branded Texas back into submission. He also had a drug problem, and he was not very good at seeking out dissenting opinion. Rather he would seek advice that he knew would be in line with what he already decided. Almonte and de la Pe&ntilde;a are good examples of Mexican Officers that weren't very supportive of Santa Anna. >>



He was even quoted that after he squashed the independence movement in Texas, his next stop was Washington DC! LOL


Another way of trying to approximate the Mexican Casualties is to realize that the forces killed and captured at San Jacinto were only part of the Mexican Army. Houston destroyed a bridge that effectively split the Mexican forces. So if the battle of San Jacinto resulted in 1

<< 630 Mexicans killed and 730 taken prisoner >>

AND there were another 1500-2000 or so on the other side of the river, then only 500-1000 could of died at the Alamo. >>





<< Mexican army total: 3500-4000 men.
Men killed or captured at San Jacinto 1400 men
Men seperated by river at San Jacinto 1500ish
Mexican troops killed at Alamo 3500 - 1400 - 1500ish = 700ish >>



Ah but you are assuming that Santa Ana did not call for reinforcements from Mexico City which he did in mid March to help attack the Texas Port Towns that resisted the mexican occupation.

There were 5 other smaller battles fought at different locations between the Alamo and San Jaciento.

The problem with online accounts is because many copy from each other. I found 4 sites with the same infomration verbatim. You really have to get out there and read the books Ugh 🙂



<< We will probably have to agree to disagree.... >>



Thats probably best 🙂



<< Anyways, great post. thanks again. >>



And thank you for your perspective. 🙂
 


<< Remember the Alamo

True men if there ever were... >>




HaHa thats great... I dont know how long its been since I've heard a midi file probably ever since I got broadband. But you brought back some memories thats for sure 😉
 


<< I agree with Tex on this one. There very well may have been some prisoners that were executed, BUT I don't think Crockett or Bowie were among them.

Did Almonte lie? If so then how much can stock can we put in his other reports, diaries, etc...? >>



Well, generally speaking, personal diaries are usually pretty reliable as most people don't lie to themselves in their own diaries.
 
Maybe I should go and learn something about Alamo. I always hear about it, but I don't know much. Just that it was a fort that was attacked by mexicans. In the battle that followed, the outmanned and outgunned defenders were killed after a long and bitter fight.

Hey, that's pretty good considering that I'm from Finland and we don't really learn about those things here 🙂.
 


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<< I agree with Tex on this one. There very well may have been some prisoners that were executed, BUT I don't think Crockett or Bowie were among them.

Did Almonte lie? If so then how much can stock can we put in his other reports, diaries, etc...? >>



Well, generally speaking, personal diaries are usually pretty reliable as most people don't lie to themselves in their own diaries. >>



Its just the amount of people who recall seeing the bodies of those heroes vastly outweigh one account that could have been forged.

 


<< Maybe I should go and learn something about Alamo. I always hear about it, but I don't know much. Just that it was a fort that was attacked by mexicans. In the battle that followed, the outmanned and outgunned defenders were killed after a long and bitter fight.

Hey, that's pretty good considering that I'm from Finland and we don't really learn about those things here 🙂. >>



That is good. And in reality, thats about the whole story. For people like me who actually had family fight in the Texas War for Independence, it takes a special meaning 🙂
 
Nemesis, its basically similar to Thermopylae, with the Texans being the Greeks, and the Mexicans being the Persians.



<< Maybe I should go and learn something about Alamo. I always hear about it, but I don't know much. Just that it was a fort that was attacked by mexicans. In the battle that followed, the outmanned and outgunned defenders were killed after a long and bitter fight.

Hey, that's pretty good considering that I'm from Finland and we don't really learn about those things here 🙂. >>

 
True about personal diaries Hammer, but lots of 'em are written with the knowledge they might be used historically. or so i'm told.

I don't know anything about this particular instance, so i'll shut my yap.
 
damn, i forgot to go see the fireworks between the Campus Conseravtives and MEChA... thats always good entertainment

(UT doesn't officially have a Texas Independence Day celebration because of rioting that took place a few years back)
 


<< Travis then draws a line in the dirt with his sword, and asks that everyone willing to follow him to the death step across that line. Everyone crosses but one man. Jim Bowie, sick, asked that his cot be carried across the line. >>


Damn...that's badass
 
Congrats, now, can we give you back to Mexico? 😉 😀 😉


j/k, never really knew much about it, seems pretty interesting. 🙂
 
Thanks to all for keeping this thread free of dumps. I honestly didn't think this thread would get so much positive attention.


Big thanks to YamahaXS for providing more detailed infomation for people to read.


And once again, thanks to all for keeping this a positive thread.




Oh and Blue Apple? No. Not Ever. 🙂
 
Yea how could I forget the Alamo.
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<< Big thanks to YamahaXS for providing more detailed infomation for people to read. >>



NP! The story of Texas' struggle for independence is very compelling to me.

A Line in the Sand: The Alamo in Blood and Memory

This excellent text tells the story of the Alamo and the people who played significant roles in the battle of the Alamo. Footnoted to hell and back, in case you want to read source documents (i.e. Texmaster 😀 ). Also included are chapters on the Battle of San Jancito and other battles.

pm me if you like.



 


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<< Big thanks to YamahaXS for providing more detailed infomation for people to read. >>



NP! The story of Texas' struggle for independence is very compelling to me.

A Line in the Sand: The Alamo in Blood and Memory

This excellent text tells the story of the Alamo and the people who played significant roles in the battle of the Alamo. Footnoted to hell and back, in case you want to read source documents (i.e. Texmaster 😀 ). Also included are chapters on the Battle of San Jancito and other battles.

pm me if you like. >>



Thanks for the extra info!
 
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