March 3,2016 GOP debate thread

[zinfamous]

How much did he inherit? I hear numbers all over the place. But here is the issue, you give the Average American 100 million and 4 years later they are broke and living under a bridge.

To say he is not a success is a false story. He definitely is successful he attained seed money and was able to create a business that obviously generates cash flow.

Look at Rubio for example, he ended up in negative net worth even after he sold some books and got some cushy jobs, not only that he "Mistakenly" used GOP credit cards to pay bills.

I'm not suggesting that he squandered his enormous trust fund, like some lottery winner would that was never raised wealthy and with the knowledge of how to not fuck up tremendous fortunes.

I'm suggesting that he established for himself a fine cushion early on, and has been able to tinker around and play with his own hilariously awful ideas....nearly all of which have been horrible. Which is perfectly fine, in fact. I think that's great.

Of course, it's one thing to be able to fearlessly inject cash into projects with no real concern for failure, because you were born wealthy and were always wealthy.

What I am saying is that Trump--the man--really isn't successful on his own merit. Everything he has touched from his own mind has turned to shit. Had he been born a middle-class son of a mechanic, he'd still be out on the street or in some mall kiosk trying to sell slapchops made of fake gold-embossed chinese plastic and meant for "The Best!" Fish ever!

I'm challenging this claim that he is some self-made man or some embodiment of the American Dream--he isn't. Trump never risked anything. His balls were never on the line. He never had to bet all he had on a deal. All he is is a brand, the value of which he self-evaluates as his mood strikes him (his own court testimony).

 

[michal1980]

How much did he inherit? I hear numbers all over the place. But here is the issue, you give the Average American 100 million and 4 years later they are broke and living under a bridge.

To say he is not a success is a false story. He definitely is successful he attained seed money and was able to create a business that obviously generates cash flow.

Look at Rubio for example, he ended up in negative net worth even after he sold some books and got some cushy jobs, not only that he "Mistakenly" used GOP credit cards to pay bills.

He would have done better investing in the market, then trying to 'make' money.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-probably-better-investing-donald-233020366.html

 

[SP33Demon]

Where have I heard this, 'We create what we fear', thingi before?

The modern conservative brain defect is the fear of feeling what we fear, of facing our unconscious feelings via the collapse of the altered realizes we self generate as a group build up our ego so we do not ever have to face them. The GOP is a pathology, a diseased way of experiencing the world, the illusion of masculinity and strength to hide our insecurities and weakness. It is in particular a patriarchal disease, the idolization of the authoritarian father. In the end, when unmasked by extremes, it will always degenerate into a dick contest.

There is no knowledge that self knowledge can't reveal via sincerity and honesty. When you look at the conservative mind set, what you see are fearful cowards who have been emasculated.

The wonderful thing about Trump and why I will vote for him is that he's a true believer. He's as happy as Larry being a total idiot. He wants to make America great again and may in fact be so internally self satisfied with himself and fearless of making mistakes, that he'll do the best job he can. A person who has no fear of being wrong can be open to what is right. Water finds its way to the sea when it flows. He may be so self assured that he can take advise. The rest of the dick squad running for GOP are armature hour undeveloped needy egos by comparison which makes them basically fanatics.

Whoohoo Moonbeam is in the Trump camp. Welcome, friend.

 

[SP33Demon]

Now what happens after 8 years of Hillary and nothing happens other than more outsourcing, same old WS/Banks, more wars and globalization etc.. same shit.

I wonder if the Democrats would end up having a civil war like the GOP? At some point people are gonna end up waking up. You can only keep squeezing the American public to a point before it gives.

We are already seeing this with the Republicans.

Republican voters have realized their politicians are full of shit a little sooner than Dems because Republicans are smarter than Democrats in general.

In a scientific survey of 1,168 adults conducted during September and October of last year, respondents were asked not only multiple-choice questions, but also queries using maps, photographs and symbols. Among other subjects, participants identified international leaders, cabinet members, Supreme Court justices, nations on a world map, the current unemployment and poverty rates and war casualty totals.

In a 2010 Pew survey, Republicans outperformed Democrats on 10 of 12 questions, with one tie and Democrats outperforming Republicans on just 1 of the 12. In the latest survey, Republicans outperformed Democrats on every single one of 19 questions.

and a recent Oxford U study:

The study called, “Cognitive Ability and Party Identity in the United States,” was done by Noah Carl of the University of Oxford in the UK. (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614001081). If this study had the opposite results it would be on every major news outlet. Since it showed liberals are dumber it has been mostly ignored by the media.

The study identified the participants across a spectrum ranging from strongly Republican to strongly Democrat with Independents in the middle. It also measured a subgroup comprised entirely of white participants to eliminate the factor of race. The results showed that Republicans had a higher IQ score than Democrats.

The study used four measurements to determine the cognitive abilities of the participants. The first was a ten word vocabulary test to measure the verbal intelligence. A test of probability knowledge, and verbal reasoning was also used. Lastly, the test givers asked each participant of the tests how well they understood the questions.

The result was that those who identified themselves as conservative Republicans scored higher on the test, indicating a higher intelligence over liberal Democrats.

Noah Carl reasoned that Conservatives did better on the test partly in part due to their socio-economical positions in society. Those that have better socio- economical positions in society tend to identify themselves as Republicans.

These findings were consistent with a previous study that Carl did entitled, “Verbal Intelligence is Correlated with Socially and Economically Liberal Beliefs.” In that study, those who voted as Republicans had a slightly higher verbal intelligence than their counterparts on the other side of the aisle.

Don't feel bad Democrats. You'll get it eventually after hillary wakes you up if she's ever president.

 

[CitizenKain]

Republican voters have realized their politicians are full of shit a little sooner than Dems because Republicans are smarter than Democrats in general.



and a recent Oxford U study:



Don't feel bad Democrats. You'll get it eventually after hillary wakes you up if she's ever president.

Yet Trump is in the lead, proving that you are easily fooled by a conman. But critical thinking has never, and will never be a strong point of the right.

 

[Jhhnn]

Republican voters have realized their politicians are full of shit a little sooner than Dems because Republicans are smarter than Democrats in general.



and a recent Oxford U study:



Don't feel bad Democrats. You'll get it eventually after hillary wakes you up if she's ever president.

Which speaks to the issue of emotional IQ not at all. When we put the two together conservatives are often incapable of determining the truth because of their insecurities. If anything, being intelligent just means they can rationalize better.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yet Trump is in the lead, proving all that wrong.

Truth.

 

[Sonikku]

Yet Trump is in the lead, proving that you are easily fooled by a conman. But critical thinking has never, and will never be a strong point of the right.

ding ding ding. This is how both parties have screwed us. By manipulating people into the "us against them" mentality.

 

[alcoholbob]

He would have done better investing in the market, then trying to 'make' money.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-probably-better-investing-donald-233020366.html

20 billion in paper assets. There's also a capital gains tax rate of 45%.

 

[ivwshane]

20 billion in paper assets. There's also a capital gains tax rate of 45%.

No its not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax_in_the_United_States

 

[Meghan54]

and a recent Oxford U study:

The study called, “Cognitive Ability and Party Identity in the United States,” was done by Noah Carl of the University of Oxford in the UK. (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...60289614001081). If this study had the opposite results it would be on every major news outlet. Since it showed liberals are dumber it has been mostly ignored by the media.

Yada, yada, yada

Don't feel bad Democrats. You'll get it eventually after hillary wakes you up if she's ever president.

I'll grant the Dems did worse on the current events quiz than Repubs in the Pew survey. After all, Republicans gave an average of 13 correct answers to the quiz while Dems gave an average of 11.5 correct answers.


But did you bother to read the second study that the opinion article you linked talked about? Granted, you can only see the abstract, but here's most of it:

Carl (2014) analysed data from the U.S. General Social Survey (GSS), and found that individuals who identify as Republican have slightly higher verbal intelligence than those who identify as Democrat.

This study examines three other measures of cognitive ability from the GSS: a test of probability knowledge, a test of verbal reasoning, and an assessment by the interviewer of how well the respondent understood the survey questions. In all three cases, individuals who identify as Republican score slightly higher than those who identify as Democrat; the unadjusted differences are 1–3 IQ points, 2–4 IQ points and 2–3 IQ points, respectively.

These results are consistent with Carl's (2014) hypothesis that higher intelligence among classically liberal Republicans compensates for lower intelligence among socially conservative Republicans.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614001081


1-4 IQ points is not really significant....almost within margin of error in most testing. But I found the bolded part more telling.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'll grant the Dems did worse on the current events quiz than Repubs in the Pew survey. After all, Republicans gave an average of 13 correct answers to the quiz while Dems gave an average of 11.5 correct answers.


But did you bother to read the second study that the opinion article you linked talked about? Granted, you can only see the abstract, but here's most of it:



http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614001081


1-4 IQ points is not really significant....almost within margin of error in most testing. But I found the bolded part more telling.

The Devil is in the details, huh?

 

[compuwiz1]

How many of the experts in this thread have amassed a few billion dollars of net worth? Just wunderin'..............

 

[Jhhnn]

How many of the experts in this thread have amassed a few billion dollars of net worth? Just wunderin'..............

Why does that even matter when we're talking about the character, temperament & general mien of a presidential candidate?

Shee-it, Sherlock. Any man as ridiculously vain as Trump about their fucking hair doesn't really have the character to be President. He's just as vain about his wealth & his string of trophy wives.

 

[compuwiz1]

Why does that even matter when we're talking about the character, temperament & general mien of a presidential candidate?

Shee-it, Sherlock. Any man as ridiculously vain as Trump about their fucking hair doesn't really have the character to be President. He's just as vain about his wealth & his string of trophy wives.

You really went there.....character, temperament & integrity?

I fixed part of that, as you can see. Hillary fails in all three.

Anyone who says they have done objective research about Hillary, yet still supports her, needs to go back and do some ACTUAL, objective research. If she can still be supported, after that, the supporter is not an objective researcher, but a Sycophant, who cares, not about the truth, or doesn't have the integrity to dismiss her for what she is.

You just might be the latter.

 

[lopri]

I do think Clinton and Sanders have temperament and integrity, decent enough to be a President. The GOP ones, however, are con artists, liars, and ignorant. (their words, not mine :biggrin: )

 

[compuwiz1]

I do think Clinton and Sanders have temperament and integrity, decent enough to be a President. The GOP ones, however, are con artists, liars, and ignorant. (their words, not mine :biggrin: )

Bull fooking shit! Sanders is the only one who has integrity, but he's a bum and he never had a steady job until he was in his 40's. But, he does have integrity and he is honest about who he is. OTOH, Hillary is a neocon and a DINO....and there is all that other shit too.

Trump is Trump. Gruff, but effective.

 

[lopri]

Shutting out dissents/dissenters is of course effective.

 

[compuwiz1]

Shutting out dissents/dissenters is of course effective.

You wouldn't mean one of those events where some people shit in his house, would you?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This hit job didn't seem to have the effect the establishment was hoping for:
https://www.salon.com/2016/03/04/even_the_fox_news_audience_is_fed_up_with_fox_news_debates/

“I don’t know how happy you all at Fox are going to be,” focus group moderator Frank Luntz warned Kelly, before asking the Fox News viewers to pick one word to describe the debate they just watched.

“Sophomoric,” the first participant responded.

“Embarrassment,” said the next. They went on:

Disappointing.

Shameful.

Despicable.

Angering.

Low on substance.

Disgusting.

Luntz called the mood in the room following the Fox News debate “the most negative response” he’d ever seen.

Looks like they can't kill off enthusiasm for Trump without killing off enthusiasm for everyone.

 

[zinfamous]

Bull fooking shit! Sanders is the only one who has integrity, but he's a bum and he never had a steady job until he was in his 40's. But, he does have integrity and he is honest about who he is. OTOH, Hillary is a neocon and a DINO....and there is all that other shit too.

Trump is Trump. Gruff, but effective.

so, you prefer Trump the liberal over Hillary the conservative?

I think we have crossed the Rubicon, folks.

 

[IronWing]

“I don’t know how happy you all at Fox are going to be,” focus group moderator Frank Luntz warned Kelly, before asking the Fox News viewers to pick one word to describe the debate they just watched.

“Sophomoric,” the first participant responded.

A Fox News viewer knew the word “Sophomoric”? Damn.

 

[compuwiz1]

so, you prefer Trump the liberal over Hillary the conservative?

I think we have crossed the Rubicon, folks.

You're smart, you are, you are.

I'm voting for the best democrat in the race.

Edit: I might have just left a bloody tampon out for a Vampire.

 

[fskimospy]

How many of the experts in this thread have amassed a few billion dollars of net worth? Just wunderin'..............

Looks like the average person in this thread could have outperformed Trump if we had inherited the money he had, lol.

http://www.texasenterprise.utexas.edu/donald-trump-wealth-investments-underperform

Using both independent and self-reported estimates of his net worth, Donald Trump has underperformed his real estate investor peers by 48% and 57%, despite taking more risk.

Wow, what a genius. That sure sounds like someone I want to be in charge, haha. If that was your money wouldn't you have fired anyone that incompetent a long time ago?

 

[IronWing]

Nothing of substance here, I just liked the headline:

GOP contests expected to add tension to Republican race
- CBS News