Manufacturing to Turn Around a US Recession

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Here's an interesting article on the state of the US economy and how manufacturing in the United States could potentially turn things around. After a long period of high currency values, productivity increases compensated and are now reaping the benefits of the lower currency values. Free market economics are indeed coming into effect and the balances are working. I was interested to hear how much manufacturing output has increased within the US over the last couple decades and trade policies should not be blamed on the reduced number of workers in manufacturing. The American way is to increase productivity and efficiency and raise the standard of living; this has served the nation well over history.

The coming rust-belt recovery
Manufacturing will play a surprise lead role in the turnaround of the resilient U.S. economy

Barrie McKenna

Saturday, January 26, 2008

WASHINGTON ? The natural state of an economy is to grow. We work more, we earn more, we spend more and we produce more.

Occasionally, however, economies stall and go into recession. And, for a stretch, perhaps a few months, everything goes into retreat.

Wages, spending and output shrink.

That's what appears to be happening to the mighty U.S. economy.

Thankfully, recessions are a rare and brief event in this country.

Since the Second World War, the United States has experienced just 10 recessions, lasting an average of 10 months each.

Amid the financial gyrations of the past few weeks, it's comforting to know that the foundation of the next growth phase is already being laid. And it could come from the most unlikely of places: the dirty business of manufacturing, and trade.

You can thank the remarkable resilience of the American economy, the largest, most diverse and open economy on the planet.

It isn't easy to keep the United States down for long. The same, often reckless, dynamism that causes this country to repetitively binge ? on real estate, technology stocks or some other bauble du jour ? is precisely what will pull the economy out the other side.

It's far too early to write an obituary for the U.S. economy.

Just remember: This isn't Japan, which suffered three recessions during its "lost decade" of the 1990s.

Japan's economy was red-hot. And no one thought the boom would ever end. The price of everything from stocks and real estate to a cup of coffee was badly out of whack. So much so, that by 1990 the Imperial Palace in central Tokyo was estimated to be worth more than the entire continental U.S.

When the bubble inevitably burst, Japanese banks and policy-makers were ploddingly slow to acknowledge they even had a problem

And so, during the decade that it took all the bad debts to work their way through Japan's hide-bound corporate structure, worthy borrowers couldn't get loans and the economy stagnated.

Americans are far too impatient to ever let that happen.

They got into their current mess by letting the housing industry run amok. Too much money was pumped into one sector with predictable consequences: overbuilding, loans to people who couldn't afford them and grossly inflated prices.

Brutal and wrenching as it is, the unwinding process is already well under way. Homeowners can't pay their mortgages, so banks foreclose and homes are auctioned off at fire-sale prices. Falling prices make loans turn bad, which causes losses for lenders and their shareholders.

In just a few months, American banks have written off tens of billions' worth of investments. They have also sought out big Asian and Middle Eastern investors to repair their tattered balance sheets.

The light at the end of the tunnel is the U.S. dollar. A steady five-year decline in its value against most other currencies, including the Canadian dollar, is rapidly restoring the United States' competitive place in the world. It has made American products look cheap again, along with American workers.

The United States already has what is arguably the most efficient service economy in the world, an impressive transportation infrastructure and sophisticated financial markets.

Now, the country is poised to reassert itself as a manufacturing powerhouse.

EXPORTING TO CHINA

Consider Richards Industries of Cincinnati, Ohio. It makes valves ? pressure valves, control valves, temperature valves. These little machine-tooled devices are what keep modern factories humming and in perfect balance.

The company's business has never been in better shape, thanks to a thriving export business, insists Bruce Broxterman, president and part owner. When he joined the company in 1980, exports accounted for about 2 per cent of sales. Now, with thriving sales to China and other Asian countries, exports make up nearly 40 per cent of its $30-million (U.S.) a year business. And the cheaper U.S. dollar is enabling the company to make big inroads in Europe, too.

"We're doing all the right things operationally," Mr. Broxterman says. "I'm pretty optimistic."

Within five years, more than half its sales will be outside the United States. The company has been aggressively hiring salespeople in key overseas markets to tap the growth.

And even more remarkably, with roughly the same number of employees (125) it had a decade ago, Richards Industries is cranking out more valves than ever.

The company isn't alone. The Merrill Lynch economist David Rosenberg recently predicted a revival of the U.S. rust belt as part of a "renaissance" in U.S. manufacturing. "Dollar depreciation is already redistributing growth back to the United States," he said.

Many experts had given up on manufacturing in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan. In a world of cheap labour, there was very little that you could produce competitively there any more, skeptics argued.

LEARNING TO BE NIMBLE

Well, something remarkable has happened. Overvalued for so long, the U.S. dollar has forced companies to become a lot more productive to survive in the global economy. Manufacturers such as Richards Industries learned to become nimble and agile, rather than just big.

Now, with the lower dollar, they are poised to reap rich rewards.

Suddenly, foreign companies want to put their factories here, not the other way around. The European aircraft-maker Airbus, Craftsman Tools of Britain, the German chainsaw maker Stihl AG & Co. and the German tire-maker Continental AG have all announced U.S. plant expansions in recent months.

In the home market, too, American manufacturers are discovering that they can compete again. A 30 per cent drop in the dollar in the past five years is huge. A European buyer looking at buying a U.S. product priced at $100 needs to come up with just 67 euros, compared to nearly 100 euros before.

Surprisingly to some, the United States makes more manufactured goods today than at any time in its history ? three times more than it did in the mid-1950s boom. And since 1980, the value of U.S. manufacturing has tripled to roughly $5-trillion.

Here's a newsflash: The entire manufacturing sector has not up and moved to China or Mexico. With less than 5 per cent of the world's population, the United States accounts for nearly 25 per cent of all manufacturing ? No. 1 in the world. Japan, No. 2, has lost ground and is fading. Fast-growing China still accounts for less than 10 per cent.

The catch is that American companies have learned to produce more with fewer, better-skilled workers. The country's factory work force peaked at about 19 million before the 1980-81 recession. It has since shrunk to about 14 million.

And yet the overall unemployment rate, now at 5 per cent, has fallen as factories have shed jobs. This suggests that surplus workers are being absorbed into the rest of the economy.

And manufacturers are successfully selling to the rest of the world.

American exports grew in double digits in 2005 and 2006, and are on track to grow by 13 per cent in 2007. Manufactured exports are at a record high.

Even the embattled U.S. auto industry is showing signs of turning the corner. The Detroit Three auto makers have shown impressive productivity gains. Over the past five years, General Motors has reduced the hours needed to build a car by 15 per cent. Ditto for Ford and Chrysler.

The United States is quietly becoming an attractive place to build cars again ? significantly cheaper than in Ontario, it turns out. With the Canadian and U.S. dollars near parity, Canada has become the high-priced location to assemble cars. Experts predict Ontario could lose 600,000 cars of production by 2012, as U.S. production is ramped up.

It's the same for a lot of the other products that the U.S. makes in abundance, including aircraft, steel, power equipment, machinery, food products and pharmaceuticals. Production is rising; exports are up.

Even in Ohio ? the centre of the rust belt ? there's a bit of a manufacturing revival under way. Since 2000, more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs have disappeared in the state. And yet it's the only state that has increased exports in each of the past eight years.

"The lower dollar has really changed the game, particularly in Europe," agrees Bruce Broxterman of Richards Industries. "I strongly believe in U.S. manufacturing."

Just like the company's valves, other sectors of the economy are now poised to pick up the slack and return the U.S. to its natural growth equilibrium.

There are a lot of people in this country who would not have thought this renaissance possible. All three leading Democratic presidential candidates ? Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards ? have spoken skeptically about the benefits of trade, while lamenting the "decline" of manufacturing.

And yet to choke off trade, by moving the United States down a more protectionist path, would snuff out one of the key strengths of the economy, based on a badly flawed premise.

© The Globe and Mail
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Fern

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I think that would be great, and also I should think it's expected given the weak dollar.

Also, I've heard other stories about businesses' great growth in exporting.

I prefer an economic expension resulting from increases in the manufacturing sector far more than that from housing.

Fern
 

techs

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Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.

It's really not, as many off shoring companies are discovering. The cost to purchase one hour of labor from one individual is not even close to an accurate assessment of value per dollar of labor, it's just viewed that way because most upper management types are complete chuckleheads who can't see the big picture. Factor in the cost of doing business halfway across the world, the relative skill of the workers involved, language barriers, worked loyalty, etc, etc, and the situation becomes a lot more complex. That bargain priced workforce in China might end up costing a lot more than you might think.
 

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When the bubble inevitably burst, Japanese banks and policy-makers were ploddingly slow to acknowledge they even had a problem

Isn't that precisely what this article is trying to do? "There's nothing wrong - it's just a momentary slump, we'll bounce right back because this is AMERICA!"
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.
Did you read the article? Manufacturing in the United States has increased significantly over the last few years, outsourcing hasn't impacted productivity or exports in manufacturing.

And for your information it's not that simple...there are many different forces at work when considering outsourcing opportunities.
- Shipping costs (hiring ships, paying operating costs and fuel)
- Shipping machinery (shipping, startup costs)
- Closing costs (paying off current domestic employees)
- Start-up costs (installation of infrastructure, retraining uneducated workforce, transportation of supply material and finished goods)
- Inventory (lead time between manufacturer and consumer is extremely long meaning carrying costs and spoilage costs of goods - increases inventory/reduces free cash by several times)
- Quality (with a less educated workforce, lower quality/high demand materials, quality of finsihed good could impact domestic pricing and brand value)

I guess simple minds feel the need to dumb it down for themselves...
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.

It's really not, as many off shoring companies are discovering. The cost to purchase one hour of labor from one individual is not even close to an accurate assessment of value per dollar of labor, it's just viewed that way because most upper management types are complete chuckleheads who can't see the big picture. Factor in the cost of doing business halfway across the world, the relative skill of the workers involved, language barriers, worked loyalty, etc, etc, and the situation becomes a lot more complex. That bargain priced workforce in China might end up costing a lot more than you might think.
Indeed...International trucks outsourced a large factory in town here to Mexico and they almost lost their shirt. They have since reopened the plant here with no intentions to outsource...
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.

It's really not, as many off shoring companies are discovering. The cost to purchase one hour of labor from one individual is not even close to an accurate assessment of value per dollar of labor, it's just viewed that way because most upper management types are complete chuckleheads who can't see the big picture. Factor in the cost of doing business halfway across the world, the relative skill of the workers involved, language barriers, worked loyalty, etc, etc, and the situation becomes a lot more complex. That bargain priced workforce in China might end up costing a lot more than you might think.

You are exactly right. And that is why techs has a good point; the people who are in charge of these decisions will choose the Chinese labor.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
When the bubble inevitably burst, Japanese banks and policy-makers were ploddingly slow to acknowledge they even had a problem

Isn't that precisely what this article is trying to do? "There's nothing wrong - it's just a momentary slump, we'll bounce right back because this is AMERICA!"
American banks are writing down bad loans understanding things are wrong. That's the key distinction here. Americans are fully aware of the potential for recession.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.
Did you read the article? Manufacturing in the United States has increased significantly over the last few years, outsourcing hasn't impacted productivity or exports in manufacturing.

And for your information it's not that simple...there are many different forces at work when considering outsourcing opportunities.
- Shipping costs (hiring ships, paying operating costs and fuel)
- Shipping machinery (shipping, startup costs)
- Closing costs (paying off current domestic employees)
- Start-up costs (installation of infrastructure, retraining uneducated workforce, transportation of supply material and finished goods)
- Inventory (lead time between manufacturer and consumer is extremely long meaning carrying costs and spoilage costs of goods - increases inventory/reduces free cash by several times)
- Quality (with a less educated workforce, lower quality/high demand materials, quality of finsihed good could impact domestic pricing and brand value)

I guess simple minds feel the need to dumb it down for themselves...

All the above doesn't beat $15 per hour versus $1 per hour.
Especially when he doesn't take into account ennvironmental regulations, workmens comp, workpace safety, health insurance, etc. Makes it more like $25 per hour versus $1 per hour.

 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.

It's really not, as many off shoring companies are discovering. The cost to purchase one hour of labor from one individual is not even close to an accurate assessment of value per dollar of labor, it's just viewed that way because most upper management types are complete chuckleheads who can't see the big picture. Factor in the cost of doing business halfway across the world, the relative skill of the workers involved, language barriers, worked loyalty, etc, etc, and the situation becomes a lot more complex. That bargain priced workforce in China might end up costing a lot more than you might think.
You are exactly right. And that is why techs has a good point; the people who are in charge of these decisions will choose the Chinese labor.
I disagree.
Why are US export skyrocketing? Why is domestic production at all time highs?
I see the Chinese good for cheap widgets and clothing and nothing more. Carrying costs of clothing and non-perishibles which are labour intensive to produce are prime candidates for outsourcing and the resulting cheaper price will no doubt help the average American.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.
Did you read the article? Manufacturing in the United States has increased significantly over the last few years, outsourcing hasn't impacted productivity or exports in manufacturing.

And for your information it's not that simple...there are many different forces at work when considering outsourcing opportunities.
- Shipping costs (hiring ships, paying operating costs and fuel)
- Shipping machinery (shipping, startup costs)
- Closing costs (paying off current domestic employees)
- Start-up costs (installation of infrastructure, retraining uneducated workforce, transportation of supply material and finished goods)
- Inventory (lead time between manufacturer and consumer is extremely long meaning carrying costs and spoilage costs of goods - increases inventory/reduces free cash by several times)
- Quality (with a less educated workforce, lower quality/high demand materials, quality of finsihed good could impact domestic pricing and brand value)

I guess simple minds feel the need to dumb it down for themselves...
All the above doesn't beat $15 per hour versus $1 per hour.
Especially when he doesn't take into account ennvironmental regulations, workmens comp, workpace safety, health insurance, etc. Makes it more like $25 per hour versus $1 per hour.
Actually I work in manufacturing and am responsible for all capital investment and process improvement initiatives. The labour cost I use in all my payback calculations is $47/hr. It still makes little sense for my company to produce in China...the costs would be enormous in producing there for the reasons i've stated above. And that's based on a wage twice your estimate. Come back when you have a better understanding of economics; it's painful to even bother debating with you.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.

No, it's not. You have currency exchange rates, shipping costs, quality control, and on and on and on to factor in.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.

No, it's not. You have currency exchange rates, shipping costs, quality control, and on and on and on to factor in.

Of course techs is an expert in all of those areas, much like he is an expert in finance and economics.

He is a renaissance man!
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Actually I work in manufacturing and am responsible for all capital investment and process improvement initiatives. The labour cost I use in all my payback calculations is $47/hr. It still makes little sense for my company to produce in China...the costs would be enormous in producing there for the reasons i've stated above. And that's based on a wage twice your estimate. Come back when you have a better understanding of economics; it's painful to even bother debating with you.

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I would imagine risk is a big factor in these types of decisions also. Even if it is $47/hour in China compared to $50/hour in the U.S., is moving your business operations halfway around the world in a system whose regulations you have no control over worth it? Will cost estimates of the move be accurate? How will the workers compare? How much more vulnerable will this make your company to rising fuel prices? There are a lot of unknowns.
 

ProfJohn

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Some great things in that article I did not know.

Would love to see the fact that we are #1 in the world throw at one of the Democrats in a debate.

BTW if we are already in a recession and most of them last only 10 months then the next President could inherit a growing economy. Now imagine if Hillary wins, ugh we will never hear the end of it.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Some great things in that article I did not know.

Would love to see the fact that we are #1 in the world throw at one of the Democrats in a debate.

BTW if we are already in a recession and most of them last only 10 months then the next President could inherit a growing economy. Now imagine if Hillary wins, ugh we will never hear the end of it.
Or Romney still promise the people of Michigan that he'll bring all the manufacturing jobs back :laugh:
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
When the bubble inevitably burst, Japanese banks and policy-makers were ploddingly slow to acknowledge they even had a problem

Isn't that precisely what this article is trying to do? "There's nothing wrong - it's just a momentary slump, we'll bounce right back because this is AMERICA!"

But what if it really IS a momentary slump? You seem to be falling into the trap of believing that EVERY economic downturn is really the harbinger of total economic catastrophe. Given that most of the time it ISN'T true, optimism can hardly be faulted.
 

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With any manufactured good the man/hr to make the good are only one point of the equation. A American factory with flexible high tech precision machine tools paying with a worker cost of $50/hr might be easily able to compete with a Chinese factory of labor cost of say $1-2/hr. The American factory might be able to quickly say turnout a order for 1000 widgets in 1 week and deliver to the customer with a high quality. The same Chinese manufacturer might not be interested in say any order for less than 1 million widgets and will take 2-3 months to deliver a inferior product. Also say one widget the labor cost might be %10 of the widgets production cost while another widget has %30 of the production cost is labor. The US factory can compete for the %10 widget equally but not at the %30 level.
 

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:thumbsup:

Oh, and techs, China workers don't get paid $1.00 per hour. Mexican workers get around $0.86 and Chinese workers get paid $0.08-$0.20 per hour (from my own experience with my company's wages worldwide). Regardless, as others have pointed out, it's not only wages that matter. Logistics, automation (sheer number of workers required to produce the products in other countries vs the US), shipping, quality (a big one from my own experience). The weak dollar should indeed be a big boost to US manufacturing.

I didn't notice in the article but have we overtaken Germany (again) for the leader in world exports (we fell to third a few years ago).
 
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Originally posted by: techs
Manufacture in Detroit for 15.00 an hour or China for 1.00 hour.

Its as simple as that.

There's more to it than that. Paying the guy in Detroit also requires paying social security benefits (7.5% of the wages), unemployment insurance, plus any other required benefits (required health care plan). Also, they have to deal with the costs of regulations--environmental regulations, labor regulations, non-discrimination regulations, sexual harassment lawsuits, workers compensation and related lawsuits, etc.

A less valuable dollar will help a little bit, but if you think that that's going to be able to stave off the economic force of global labor arbitrage, then keep drinking the Kook Aid and keep smoking the dope.
 
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Originally posted by: Brovane
With any manufactured good the man/hr to make the good are only one point of the equation. A American factory with flexible high tech precision machine tools paying with a worker cost of $50/hr might be easily able to compete with a Chinese factory of labor cost of say $1-2/hr.

You're making the assumption that the Chinese don't have the same capital and technology. That isn't necessarily true. I don't see any reason why companies can't open modern factories and assembly lines in China. That's the reason why comparative advantage no longer applies to international trade--the ability of capital--of the means of production--to move across borders where it can seek absolute advantage.

It should be noted that even if it's shown that the decrease in American manufacturing jobs is the result of technological advance, knowledge-based college-education jobs are also being outsourced. (In other words--there's nothing for the displaced manufacturing workers to retrain for.)
 

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America still got better technology. But as time passes, who is to say Chinese or India can't advance their manufacturer technology gradually? Isn't that what Japanese did when they start their own auto industry? Crappy car at first, but slowly they chunk out better cars? Who is to say other countries can't do the same that Japanese did?
 

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Well, it would be nice for me. I live in an area (Western NY) that has had a pretty hard manufacturing loss. I work for a manufacturing company that has very successfully bucked trends, but it would still be good to live in an economically stronger city.