I live in a city and I prefer driving my manual transmission car. Some people just prefer to have more control over their car than others I guess. Also I think I tend to be a better driver when I am driving a manual, it forces me to pay attention to my own speed, gearing and that of other drivers, in other words my situational awareness. Automatics in my opinion are for lazy drivers and encourages poor driving habits, I.E. talking on a cell phone, eating while driving, masterbating, knitting, and putting on makeup.
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giantpinkbunnyhead
Diamond Member
Wear and tear on the tranny happens constantly; not just during engine braking. The only thing that slows a car down via engine braking (besides hills and wind resistance) is internal friction of the engine parts. (edit: and drivetrain friction) That friction is always there, even when cruising at steady speed. When you engine brake, you're simply removing the force that fights against that friction, but the friction is still there in the same amounts. Engine braking is not detrimental unless you have a talent for screwing things up.
Additionally, warranties generally cover transmissions and "excessive engine braking" is never given as a reason for denial of coverage. Brakes, however, are never covered unless they are enormously defective. Supposing you DID bollox the tranny from engine braking; warranty would cover it. If you bolloxed youre brakes early, YOU get to pay for them.
Additionally, warranties generally cover transmissions and "excessive engine braking" is never given as a reason for denial of coverage. Brakes, however, are never covered unless they are enormously defective. Supposing you DID bollox the tranny from engine braking; warranty would cover it. If you bolloxed youre brakes early, YOU get to pay for them.
MasterAndCommander
Diamond Member
Manuals are awesome - except in stop-and-go traffic.
Vic
Elite Member
I've never understood the argument that engine braking/downshifting is harmful in a manual trans. Is acceleration/upshifting harmful to? Of course not, as long as done properly. Same thing with engine braking.
Still, slowing the car down is not the primary purpose of downshifting nor should downshifting be used instead of the brakes. So the whole internet "brakes or transmission?" argument is really meaningless. The primary purpose of downshifting is to be in the right gear and in the proper control (as engine torque exerted on the wheels and suspension balance has a significant effect on traction). And that's the whole reason for owning/driving a manual (and I've never owned an auto in 17 years of owning cars, not even my trucks): to be in control and always in the right gear. And that's something you can never do in an auto because as soon as you let off the gas and go to the brakes, it always automatically upshifts and you're immediately in the wrong gear (and consequently have reduced control).
Still, slowing the car down is not the primary purpose of downshifting nor should downshifting be used instead of the brakes. So the whole internet "brakes or transmission?" argument is really meaningless. The primary purpose of downshifting is to be in the right gear and in the proper control (as engine torque exerted on the wheels and suspension balance has a significant effect on traction). And that's the whole reason for owning/driving a manual (and I've never owned an auto in 17 years of owning cars, not even my trucks): to be in control and always in the right gear. And that's something you can never do in an auto because as soon as you let off the gas and go to the brakes, it always automatically upshifts and you're immediately in the wrong gear (and consequently have reduced control).
RMSistight
Golden Member
If you can master stick in San Francisco, you can master it anywhere.
Zenmervolt
Elite member
Most modern cars have no fuel mileage penalty for automatic transmissions. Heck, a lot of cars are now getting better mileage from their automatics than from their manuals.
ZV
I drive stickm I prefer it over auto in almost all sitautions except extreme bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic. When I'm older the family mobile will be auto and my personal fun car will be manual.
That is of course under totally ideal driving conditions.
I think the primary argument is when slowing down to come to a full stop. Most say that you should coast in the high gear and lightly apply brakes until you're close to the stop and then hit the clutch put in neutral and brake to a stop. If you need the clutch is still in, so you can just go into the proper gear and go if you have to. It's less wear than using the clutch to downshift through all the gears.
That is of course under totally ideal driving conditions.
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
Hmmm.... my dad has been driving a stick for probably 25 years now and still prefers it without a doubt, even in an Accord
Zenmervolt
Elite member
When in traffic where the driving speed is lower than my idle speed in first gear, I'd rather be in the Lincoln (automatic) than the 951. The $2,000 clutch in the 951 is only part of that reason.
Both have their place. And your comment about automatics always upshifting in a lift-throttle condition is incorrect for modern electronically-controlled automatics. It only applies to the older purely hydraulic automatics.
Also, for towing an automatic typically will have a higher towing ability because of the inherent torque multiplication of the torwue converter.
ZV
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