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Eli

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Originally posted by: notfred
If you weren't supposed to rev it past 2500 the red line on the tach would be at 2500, not 6500.

 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: m2kewl
yeah, i take my car into vtec terroritory everytime i accelerate. honda's rev high...then again other's already said it ;)

I love going past the 6250 redline on my tach to the actual 7400 rpm fuel cutoff:cool:

I thought the fuel cut on H22s was at 8k?

As for driving tips, you'll never understand how to drive the car unless you push it to its limits (or yours). You may understand the mechanics of driving, but the experience is something completely different. Take it up to whereever you feel comfortable.

I've got a USDM ECU but I'm pretty sure the JDM one has fuel cutoff at about the same point. No worries, a minor valvetrain upgrade will spin 8k easy. My goal is to be able to peg my tach:cool:;)
 

m2kewl

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: m2kewl
yeah, i take my car into vtec terroritory everytime i accelerate. honda's rev high...then again other's already said it ;)

I love going past the 6250 redline on my tach to the actual 7400 rpm fuel cutoff:cool:

I thought the fuel cut on H22s was at 8k?

As for driving tips, you'll never understand how to drive the car unless you push it to its limits (or yours). You may understand the mechanics of driving, but the experience is something completely different. Take it up to whereever you feel comfortable.

I've got a USDM ECU but I'm pretty sure the JDM one has fuel cutoff at about the same point. No worries, a minor valvetrain upgrade will spin 8k easy. My goal is to be able to peg my tach:cool:;)

AgaBooga is gonna have a heart attack reading all this :p
 

nprotz

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Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: nprotz
Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: m2kewl
yeah, i take my car into vtec terroritory everytime i accelerate. honda's rev high...then again other's already said it ;)

I love going past the 6250 redline on my tach to the actual 7400 rpm fuel cutoff:cool:

I thought the fuel cut on H22s was at 8k?

As for driving tips, you'll never understand how to drive the car unless you push it to its limits (or yours). You may understand the mechanics of driving, but the experience is something completely different. Take it up to whereever you feel comfortable.


do the newer mustangs have a cut off? cause mine seems like it hesitates when i get the needle on up in the redline

You're probably hitting the rev limiter which I know GTs have (at what, 6700rpm?) Most newer cars have it to prevent the owner from blowing the motor. Aftermarket chips usually remove the rev limiter.



yeah its a gt....its probably more around 6500 but its not cutting out its just starting to....I thought it had something like that....i dont know if i even wanna get past that....it winds up pretty good there...but some of my friends used to bury the needle on their stangs and it never hurt em....at least not that i know
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: notfred
If you weren't supposed to rev it past 2500 the red line on the tach would be at 2500, not 6500.

I can understand that point of view, but my situation is that my dad loves this car because of how well he's taken care of it and he's had it for quite some time. I don't plan on going against him at all, but since I feel fortunate to even have a car right when I turn 16, I plan on just going by his rules.

That being said, doesn't mean I won't accelerate a little faster, but obviously within limit and nothing to form a habit. Like love1u0 said, I'll probably shift at 3k even though when I was doing 3k in 1st gear by mistake once my dad was wondering what I was doing and told me to stop talking to my brother and focus on driving.

I'm going to try out shifting at 2500 rpm for first gear because I also prefer a quiet ride and then gears after that I'll do between 2.5k and 3k RPM. The other thing is my dad can shift at 2500 RPM for most gears including first and keep up with other cars at stop lights, stop signs, etc. so I know its not all in the RPM, its also efficiency on the driver's part, which in this case seems to have a bigger effect than say the engine itself or the RPM's I shift it at.

I'll probably shift between 2500 rpm and 3000 rpm now but I'm going to focus on efficiency of changing gears because I know you don't need to shift at 4k every time to keep up with other cars on the road in terms of accelerating.

Walleye - Thanks for the tips especially about using the clutch, I think that will change my acceleration quite a bit once I get more practice with it.

Thanks everyone! :beer: for all! :)
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: notfred
If you weren't supposed to rev it past 2500 the red line on the tach would be at 2500, not 6500.

I can understand that point of view, but my situation is that my dad loves this car because of how well he's taken care of it and he's had it for quite some time. I don't plan on going against him at all, but since I feel fortunate to even have a car right when I turn 16, I plan on just going by his rules.

That being said, doesn't mean I won't accelerate a little faster, but obviously within limit and nothing to form a habit. Like love1u0 said, I'll probably shift at 3k even though when I was doing 3k in 1st gear by mistake once my dad was wondering what I was doing and told me to stop talking to my brother and focus on driving.

I'm going to try out shifting at 2500 rpm for first gear because I also prefer a quiet ride and then gears after that I'll do between 2.5k and 3k RPM. The other thing is my dad can shift at 2500 RPM for most gears including first and keep up with other cars at stop lights, stop signs, etc. so I know its not all in the RPM, its also efficiency on the driver's part, which in this case seems to have a bigger effect than say the engine itself or the RPM's I shift it at.

I'll probably shift between 2500 rpm and 3000 rpm now but I'm going to focus on efficiency of changing gears because I know you don't need to shift at 4k every time to keep up with other cars on the road in terms of accelerating.

Walleye - Thanks for the tips especially about using the clutch, I think that will change my acceleration quite a bit once I get more practice with it.

Thanks everyone! :beer: for all! :)

Your dad drives like mine:p Its fine except when he won't nail it to merge onto the freeway. I hate that.
 

NutBucket

Lifer
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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: notfred
If you weren't supposed to rev it past 2500 the red line on the tach would be at 2500, not 6500.

I can understand that point of view, but my situation is that my dad loves this car because of how well he's taken care of it and he's had it for quite some time. I don't plan on going against him at all, but since I feel fortunate to even have a car right when I turn 16, I plan on just going by his rules.

That being said, doesn't mean I won't accelerate a little faster, but obviously within limit and nothing to form a habit. Like love1u0 said, I'll probably shift at 3k even though when I was doing 3k in 1st gear by mistake once my dad was wondering what I was doing and told me to stop talking to my brother and focus on driving.

I'm going to try out shifting at 2500 rpm for first gear because I also prefer a quiet ride and then gears after that I'll do between 2.5k and 3k RPM. The other thing is my dad can shift at 2500 RPM for most gears including first and keep up with other cars at stop lights, stop signs, etc. so I know its not all in the RPM, its also efficiency on the driver's part, which in this case seems to have a bigger effect than say the engine itself or the RPM's I shift it at.

I'll probably shift between 2500 rpm and 3000 rpm now but I'm going to focus on efficiency of changing gears because I know you don't need to shift at 4k every time to keep up with other cars on the road in terms of accelerating.

Walleye - Thanks for the tips especially about using the clutch, I think that will change my acceleration quite a bit once I get more practice with it.

Thanks everyone! :beer: for all! :)

Your dad drives like mine:p Its fine except when he won't nail it to merge onto the freeway. I hate that.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
I'm learning to drive a stick on my dad's 91 Accord which I will be using once I get my license in February, hopefully that is.

One area I need to improve upon is acceleration times with it so I don't spend a lot of time catching speed at stop lights and stop signs. When I do this, I have tried revving a little higher in first gear but I see very little speed gains in 1st gear, obviously, so what should I do?

As in, is first gear just to get the car in motion and then use second to catch speed and then third to get a lot more speed until 4th and fifth? Also, I usually avoid taking the RPM amount over 2500, is that fine?

Any other tips would be appreciated as well.


You are driving a 12 to 13 year old car. You will want to be gentle with it particularly with the clutch. I recommend that you be more concern about making it last than acceleration. Replacing the clutch on this car will probably junk it.
 

TechnoKid

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Please please do not merge onto a freeway doing less than 40mph, in fifth gear...geez, unless there happens to be traffic or something. I understand your frustration Nutbucket.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: AgaBooga
I'm learning to drive a stick on my dad's 91 Accord which I will be using once I get my license in February, hopefully that is.

One area I need to improve upon is acceleration times with it so I don't spend a lot of time catching speed at stop lights and stop signs. When I do this, I have tried revving a little higher in first gear but I see very little speed gains in 1st gear, obviously, so what should I do?

As in, is first gear just to get the car in motion and then use second to catch speed and then third to get a lot more speed until 4th and fifth? Also, I usually avoid taking the RPM amount over 2500, is that fine?

Any other tips would be appreciated as well.


You are driving a 12 to 13 year old car. You will want to be gentle with it particularly with the clutch. I recommend that you be more concern about making it last than acceleration. Replacing the clutch on this car will probably junk it.

Thats another concern of mine. We want this car to last me through college and then I can hand it over to my brother who will be learning to drive then as well. Honestly, it can last that long easily. After reading that statement, I think I'm going to stick to 3k RPM or lower for shifting. The thing is, if anything happens to it then I won't have a car and I don't have enough time for a job, so I'll take care of it.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Please please do not merge onto a freeway doing less than 40mph, in fifth gear...geez, unless there happens to be traffic or something. I understand your frustration Nutbucket.

That makes sense, I hope you didn't think that I keep under 3k RPM in 5th gear too, hehe

I try merging between 50 and 60, but I won't be taking an Accord 91' on the highway. My dad said if I'm going to be going on the highway I'll have to take the Volvo or in some time the new car, the lexus.
 

m2kewl

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Please please do not merge onto a freeway doing less than 40mph, in fifth gear...geez, unless there happens to be traffic or something. I understand your frustration Nutbucket.

if you're doing less then 40mph in 5th gear on a merge, you should be shot...

your only excuse is if you're in LA rush hour :p


 

NutBucket

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Aug 30, 2000
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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Please please do not merge onto a freeway doing less than 40mph, in fifth gear...geez, unless there happens to be traffic or something. I understand your frustration Nutbucket.

That makes sense, I hope you didn't think that I keep under 3k RPM in 5th gear too, hehe

I try merging between 50 and 60, but I won't be taking an Accord 91' on the highway. My dad said if I'm going to be going on the highway I'll have to take the Volvo or in some time the new car, the lexus.

?? If its in good shape you'll easily get 30mpg at 80mph.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: waylman
2500? you can go alot higher than that. Take it up to 4k or so in 1st gear. That'll give you some speed.

Whaaa? Isn't that a bit high for a 4 cylinder 91 Accord? My dad has taken really good care of this car too, over 160k miles and no change of clutch needed, etc, basically no major problems. I want to take it easy on the engine as well as I can since I want it to last atleast 40k more miles until I can buy a car...

lol@ 4k rpm...


<--has a 90 accord coupe and regularly floors it to 5krpm.


:D
 

AgaBoogaBoo

Lifer
Feb 16, 2003
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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Please please do not merge onto a freeway doing less than 40mph, in fifth gear...geez, unless there happens to be traffic or something. I understand your frustration Nutbucket.

That makes sense, I hope you didn't think that I keep under 3k RPM in 5th gear too, hehe

I try merging between 50 and 60, but I won't be taking an Accord 91' on the highway. My dad said if I'm going to be going on the highway I'll have to take the Volvo or in some time the new car, the lexus.

?? If its in good shape you'll easily get 30mpg at 80mph.

Not worried about mileage at all, concern is safety. Volvo's are known for safety and the lexus is now right up there according to impact tests done by the government. The accord is a piece of paper compared to those.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: waylman
2500? you can go alot higher than that. Take it up to 4k or so in 1st gear. That'll give you some speed.

Whaaa? Isn't that a bit high for a 4 cylinder 91 Accord? My dad has taken really good care of this car too, over 160k miles and no change of clutch needed, etc, basically no major problems. I want to take it easy on the engine as well as I can since I want it to last atleast 40k more miles until I can buy a car...

lol@ 4k rpm...


<--has a 90 accord coup and regularly floors it to 5-6rpm.

:brokenheart:

How many miles though?

My situation is that its my dad's car that he's taken such well care of, I don't want to make him regret letting me drive right when I turn 16.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: notfred
If you weren't supposed to rev it past 2500 the red line on the tach would be at 2500, not 6500.

I can understand that point of view, but my situation is that my dad loves this car because of how well he's taken care of it and he's had it for quite some time. I don't plan on going against him at all, but since I feel fortunate to even have a car right when I turn 16, I plan on just going by his rules.

That being said, doesn't mean I won't accelerate a little faster, but obviously within limit and nothing to form a habit. Like love1u0 said, I'll probably shift at 3k even though when I was doing 3k in 1st gear by mistake once my dad was wondering what I was doing and told me to stop talking to my brother and focus on driving.

I'm going to try out shifting at 2500 rpm for first gear because I also prefer a quiet ride and then gears after that I'll do between 2.5k and 3k RPM. The other thing is my dad can shift at 2500 RPM for most gears including first and keep up with other cars at stop lights, stop signs, etc. so I know its not all in the RPM, its also efficiency on the driver's part, which in this case seems to have a bigger effect than say the engine itself or the RPM's I shift it at.

I'll probably shift between 2500 rpm and 3000 rpm now but I'm going to focus on efficiency of changing gears because I know you don't need to shift at 4k every time to keep up with other cars on the road in terms of accelerating.

Walleye - Thanks for the tips especially about using the clutch, I think that will change my acceleration quite a bit once I get more practice with it.

Thanks everyone! :beer: for all! :)

Shifting at such low rpm strains the engine if you are trying to accelerate quickly. Your dad doesn't know what he is doing if he yells at you for shifting at 3k.
 

SWirth86

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You're not going to go on any highways in your Accord?

And to accelerate faster, push on the gas pedal harder, and shift later... at 5000 rpm youre making twice as much power as 2500 rpm.
 

TechnoKid

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: notfred
If you weren't supposed to rev it past 2500 the red line on the tach would be at 2500, not 6500.

I can understand that point of view, but my situation is that my dad loves this car because of how well he's taken care of it and he's had it for quite some time. I don't plan on going against him at all, but since I feel fortunate to even have a car right when I turn 16, I plan on just going by his rules.

That being said, doesn't mean I won't accelerate a little faster, but obviously within limit and nothing to form a habit. Like love1u0 said, I'll probably shift at 3k even though when I was doing 3k in 1st gear by mistake once my dad was wondering what I was doing and told me to stop talking to my brother and focus on driving.

I'm going to try out shifting at 2500 rpm for first gear because I also prefer a quiet ride and then gears after that I'll do between 2.5k and 3k RPM. The other thing is my dad can shift at 2500 RPM for most gears including first and keep up with other cars at stop lights, stop signs, etc. so I know its not all in the RPM, its also efficiency on the driver's part, which in this case seems to have a bigger effect than say the engine itself or the RPM's I shift it at.

I'll probably shift between 2500 rpm and 3000 rpm now but I'm going to focus on efficiency of changing gears because I know you don't need to shift at 4k every time to keep up with other cars on the road in terms of accelerating.

Walleye - Thanks for the tips especially about using the clutch, I think that will change my acceleration quite a bit once I get more practice with it.

Thanks everyone! :beer: for all! :)

Shifting at such low rpm strains the engine if you are trying to accelerate quickly. Your dad doesn't know what he is doing if he yells at you for shifting at 3k.


Lugging the engine is bad....
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Vic
Just a tip: the faster you want to go, the more gas you give it, the higher you rev each gear. Those 2 should work together at all times. I can't stand riding in cars where the driver winds out each and every gear slowly and unneccesarily at low throttle, or just the opposite, gives a lot of throttle but shifts way too soon.
Actually, testing has proven that 3/4 or more throttle with short-shifting yields optimum fuel economy since it minimises the engine's pumping losses.

ZV
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Originally posted by: waylman
2500? you can go alot higher than that. Take it up to 4k or so in 1st gear. That'll give you some speed.

Whaaa? Isn't that a bit high for a 4 cylinder 91 Accord? My dad has taken really good care of this car too, over 160k miles and no change of clutch needed, etc, basically no major problems. I want to take it easy on the engine as well as I can since I want it to last atleast 40k more miles until I can buy a car...

lol@ 4k rpm...


<--has a 90 accord coup and regularly floors it to 5-6rpm.

:brokenheart:

How many miles though?

My situation is that its my dad's car that he's taken such well care of, I don't want to make him regret letting me drive right when I turn 16.

barely 200k