Manny Pacquiao vs Shane Mosley *LIVE NOW*

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Sephire

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Watched the fight again, ever since that knockout on Mosley its back pedalling from then on.
 

wheresmybacon

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I bought this PPV under the assumption the main event would be a fight. What a disaster. Mosely should be ashamed of himself.

It's not enough that the fights we really want to see can't get made, we're subjected to a cowardly half-effort by supposedly a top contender. I knew Pacquiao would win, what I didn't expect was Mosely to turtle up and run/dodge/basically do anything he could to avoid an exchange.

Boxing may not be dead yet, but it's almost dead to me. I'm not going to buy another boxing PPV for a long time, if ever.
 

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SP33Demon

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I bought this PPV under the assumption the main event would be a fight. What a disaster. Mosely should be ashamed of himself.

It's not enough that the fights we really want to see can't get made, we're subjected to a cowardly half-effort by supposedly a top contender. I knew Pacquiao would win, what I didn't expect was Mosely to turtle up and run/dodge/basically do anything he could to avoid an exchange.

Boxing may not be dead yet, but it's almost dead to me. I'm not going to buy another boxing PPV for a long time, if ever.

That's why I don't watch them anymore. You already know Pacman will destroy him, there's really no point to paying money to see that sht. Pacman/Mayweather is the only fight I would consider paying, all the others, screw that.
 

waggy

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That's why I don't watch them anymore. You already know Pacman will destroy him, there's really no point to paying money to see that sht. Pacman/Mayweather is the only fight I would consider paying, all the others, screw that.

that won't happen. Boxing is dieing. what killed it for me was have so many damn belts. when someone who is 4-14 DEFENDING his belt (btw witch nobody has heard of) something is wrong. Yes that really happened i turned on Fight night and that was the main event.
 

brainhulk

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Timothy Bradley, Sergio Martinez, or Nonito Donaire are the only other worthy opponents I see on the horizon other than Floyd Kentucky Fried Chickenweather
 

SP33Demon

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that won't happen. Boxing is dieing. what killed it for me was have so many damn belts. when someone who is 4-14 DEFENDING his belt (btw witch nobody has heard of) something is wrong. Yes that really happened i turned on Fight night and that was the main event.

Well I don't think it's so much as the belts but more the branding that is killing it. Fighters are too scared of fighting someone that could possibly beat them because they know their brand (and lots of $$$) are at stake. Mayweather and Pacquiao are great examples, both are aren't fighting anyone notable like Sergio Martinez because a loss would really diminish their brand. Instead, their opponents are hand picked tomato cans that they know Mayweather or Pacman would kick to the curb and extract money from their fans and pad their record. Whatever happened to the days of Ali where he would fight anyone to prove he was the best, money be damned? If these guys really cared about proving they were the best, then stupid drug testing wouldn't have stood in between such a fight. Sadly it's all about the money these days.
 

QueBert

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Mosley's old, 10 years ago hell maybe even 5 he would have put Pacman to sleep. It's sad he still feels the need to fight the best. He has nothing to prove, and fuck any noobs who don't understand he's one of the all time greats. His boxing resume >>>> Pacman & Mayweather combined. I do dislike how Shane sounded like a bad actor on an informercial when he was talking about how hard Manny hits and how he was scared of him. I wonder how much extra he was paid for that? He's fought dudes who hit a lot harder than Manny and didn't backtrack like he did the other night. I don't think he wanted to even fight, I've never seen him like that even against better dudes.
 
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skim milk

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Timothy Bradley, Sergio Martinez, or Nonito Donaire are the only other worthy opponents I see on the horizon other than Floyd Kentucky Fried Chickenweather

do you guys even know anything about boxing?

why the hell would Manny Pacquiao fight timothy bradley or those other guys?

1. Boxing is a business. Those other names bring nothing to the table for Manny Pacquiao. It's not just putting up an up and comer against the undisputed p4p.
2. Sergio martinez is a middleweight
3. Nonito Donaire is a bantamweight

Why are you even in this thread?
 

skim milk

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I've been following pacquiao since 2003 and it's crazy what he has accomplished since then. The only real fight left for him is Mayweather. There might be a couple of more fights for Pacquiao in the future as he's a cash cow and Bob Arum will try to milk that but I really want to see Pac vs Mayweather happen. When pacquiao leaves boxing, my interest in boxing will take a big hit. Boxing is not what it used to be.
 

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do you guys even know anything about boxing?

2. Sergio martinez is a middleweight

Thought I heard somewhere that Sergio Martinez can get down to 154 and Manny has fought Margarito at that weight.

If this fight happens and somehow Manny beats Sergio then at that point no one can question that he would be the greatest fighter of this generation and maybe ever.
 

skim milk

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Thought I heard somewhere that Sergio Martinez can get down to 154 and Manny has fought Margarito at that weight.

If this fight happens and somehow Manny beats Sergio then at that point no one can question that he would be the greatest fighter of this generation and maybe ever.

Yes, a catch weight is possible but seriously Sergio Martinez is a middleweight. Margarito is a light middleweight.

Margarito vs Pacquiao, I believe the catch weight was around 150.

154 is vastly different from that even though it might not seem like much.
 

SP33Demon

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Yes, a catch weight is possible but seriously Sergio Martinez is a middleweight. Margarito is a light middleweight.

Margarito vs Pacquiao, I believe the catch weight was around 150.

154 is vastly different from that even though it might not seem like much.

With Sergio, obviously it'd be a catch weight and Sergio has fought as a light middleweight before. If Pacman wanted a real challenge, why isn't he fighting Sergio after beating Margarito? Simple, Margarito is slow as hell and Sergio is quick + a 4-5 inch height advantage. Pacman isn't going to take a real risk of getting knocked out, his team will continue to choose hand picked, easy has beens like Mosley.

At least Sergio is fighting to be the best in the world and has proven so. Look at his last 4 fights:
1) Paul Williams, better pound for pound at the time (loss by decision)
2) Kelly Pavlik, middleweight champ at the time and Sergio never fought at that weight (win by decision)
3) Paul Williams rematch (win by KO)
4) Sergiy Dzinziruk, undefeated 37-0 at the time (win by TKO)

I think earlier in his career, Pacman/Mayweather took way more risk. Now it's just a joke, they are just check cashing before retirement and haven't faced good competition since 2007/2008 (Pacman-Marquez@super featherweight in 2008, Mayweather-De La Hoya@light middleweight in 2007).

Sergio would rock both Mayweather and Pacman if they decided to man up and fight at light middleweight. They won't though.
 
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brainhulk

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Yes, a catch weight is possible but seriously Sergio Martinez is a middleweight. Margarito is a light middleweight.

Margarito vs Pacquiao, I believe the catch weight was around 150.

154 is vastly different from that even though it might not seem like much.

just keep backtracking there einstein. just like mosley, lol
 

SP33Demon

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Mosley's old, 10 years ago hell maybe even 5 he would have put Pacman to sleep. It's sad he still feels the need to fight the best. He has nothing to prove, and fuck any noobs who don't understand he's one of the all time greats. His boxing resume >>>> Pacman & Mayweather combined. I do dislike how Shane sounded like a bad actor on an informercial when he was talking about how hard Manny hits and how he was scared of him. I wonder how much extra he was paid for that? He's fought dudes who hit a lot harder than Manny and didn't backtrack like he did the other night. I don't think he wanted to even fight, I've never seen him like that even against better dudes.

His boxing resume is sht, he only beat De La Hoya in the 2003 rematch because he was doping EPO and The Clear (and admits it). Really the only person he's beaten is De La Hoya in 2000. Whoopdefuckingdo, he lost to Winky Wright two times in a row as well as Trinidad. Hell, even Cotto beat him. But he's an "all time great!". Too funny.
 

skim milk

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With Sergio, obviously it'd be a catch weight and Sergio has fought as a light middleweight before. If Pacman wanted a real challenge, why isn't he fighting Sergio after beating Margarito? Simple, Margarito is slow as hell and Sergio is quick + a 4-5 inch height advantage. Pacman isn't going to take a real risk of getting knocked out, his team will continue to choose hand picked, easy has beens like Mosley.

At least Sergio is fighting to be the best in the world and has proven so. Look at his last 4 fights:
1) Paul Williams, better pound for pound at the time (loss by decision)
2) Kelly Pavlik, middleweight champ at the time and Sergio never fought at that weight (win by decision)
3) Paul Williams rematch (win by KO)
4) Sergiy Dzinziruk, undefeated 37-0 at the time (win by TKO)

I think earlier in his career, Pacman/Mayweather took way more risk. Now it's just a joke, they are just check cashing before retirement and haven't faced good competition since 2007/2008 (Pacman-Marquez@super featherweight in 2008, Mayweather-De La Hoya@light middleweight in 2007).

Sergio would rock both Mayweather and Pacman if they decided to man up and fight at light middleweight. They won't though.

The question is why would Mayweather or Pacman fight Sergio Martinez?
No one knows Sergio Martinez. He's a nobody to the public eye. Mayweather and Pac-man aren't going to risk their careers/take on career ending fights facing someone who brings in no appeal in terms of revenue. Right now, the fight that makes sense is Pacquiao vs Mayweather for all parties involved. Mayweather is scared to ink the deal.
Pacquiao facing Cotto was good competition. It showed how good Pacquiao really is, imo.
 

SP33Demon

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The question is why would Mayweather or Pacman fight Sergio Martinez?
No one knows Sergio Martinez. He's a nobody to the public eye. Mayweather and Pac-man aren't going to risk their careers/take on career ending fights facing someone who brings in no appeal in terms of revenue. Right now, the fight that makes sense is Pacquiao vs Mayweather for all parties involved. Mayweather is scared to ink the deal.
Pacquiao facing Cotto was good competition. It showed how good Pacquiao really is, imo.

Why should they fight? Because anyone who follows boxing knows who he is, and just because he's not a big name to the public (yet) doesn't mean the fight wouldn't generate a ton of buzz. Sergio Martinez is bigger than both men, just as fast, named Ring Mag's 2010 Fighter of the Year, ESPN and Ring Mag's #2 Pound for Pound ahead of Mayweather, can punch with power from both hands yet prefers the more formidable southpaw stance, and is 47-2 record. A fight against either Pacman or Mayweather would still be a huge draw once the public discovers Sergio's credentials (especially height/reach/weight advantage). There is also a ton of buzz over the best pound for pound as of late, especially after Sergio's last win in March.
"I have never had a fighter like this, this guy is so good it's frightening," crowed DiBella, drenched to the bone with sweat during the post-fight presser. "He is a f---- beast. He is a beast. He does everything. He has speed, he has power, he has flair, he has style, he looks like a movie star and he fights like a beast."

Martinez's approach to the pound-for-pound question is more cerebal but no less passionate.

"It's a dream of mine, it obsesses me," said Martinez of the mythical title. "I will be pound-for-pound best.

"I want the best fighters in front of me. Mayweather, Pacquiao, I want them."


How he'll get them into the ring is the bigger question.

Don't hold your breath on Pacquiao, who's too small anyway. ("You think that Bob Arum's ever putting one of his guys in with this animal?" DiBella asked. "Never.")

Instead, Martinez could fight the best of what's left at 160 pounds. Felix Sturm jumps to mind.

That name might not move the needle among casual fans.

But if these highlight-reel showings keep up, Martinez's 2011 could prove even more rewarding than his 2010.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...3/martinez-dzizdurik/index.html#ixzz1LxymT9Wy

Pacquiao vs Cotto was a cherry picked fight since they knew that Cotto would have zero answer to Pacman's speed. Yes, there was a slight risk that heavy hitting Cotto could pull a Buster Douglas miracle KO, but it had as much chance as a Mosley-Mayweather KO. Pacman turned Cotto's face into hamburger meat and the fight was so lopsided it was a joke.
 
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Miramonti

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Pac hasn't exactly called out Fairyweather. That's all he needs to do in order to get this fight printed. Just get a little nasty in a well worded, pleasant, but plenty disrespectful conversation with the press.

He's way to content to not press the issue and I think he's ducking the bout as well.
 

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I bought this PPV under the assumption the main event would be a fight. What a disaster. Mosely should be ashamed of himself.

It's not enough that the fights we really want to see can't get made, we're subjected to a cowardly half-effort by supposedly a top contender. I knew Pacquiao would win, what I didn't expect was Mosely to turtle up and run/dodge/basically do anything he could to avoid an exchange.

Boxing may not be dead yet, but it's almost dead to me. I'm not going to buy another boxing PPV for a long time, if ever.


Boxing has been dead since mike tyson step off the ring. I have been going to a boxing gym for 4 years and they are having a difficult time finding a boxer that would have a draw like mike tyson. They found this draw using Pacman but all it is was promotion. The guy never fought any worthy opponent. They just build this guy to make boxing as a sport in the spotlight again. I guess it worked.
 

Sephire

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Whoever is asking 100,000,000 payday even after the other agreed for the demanded drug test is the one ducking the fight. Everyone knows this.