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Elevenpog said:
You already failed by limiting your thinking to just our planet. We're going to parasite this whole fucking universe in the next couple hundred thousand years buddy. We're bigger than AIDS baby.
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It exists for us to take advantage of what it has to offer. Not to do so would be a travesty...
 
Maybe you could point out some time in all recorded history other than the Nazi's where the rich were successfully made less rich.

Nobody in the USA is forced to work, and the benefits are more than they should be.
 
JPS35 said:
The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

- Margaret Thatcher
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The problem with Margaret Thatcher was that she was a insomniac drunk that couldn't understand anything that didn't match up with her ingrained dogma.

- WelshBloke


Oh and she apparently really, really liked pedophiles.
 
crashtech said:
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LMFAO

nice
 
mikeford said:
Maybe you could point out some time in all recorded history other than the Nazi's where the rich were successfully made less rich.
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Romans
Greeks
Egyptians
French


Pretty much every eras top great empire.


Notice a pattern?
We're next.

I think India will be number one after we fall.
 
WelshBloke said:
The problem with Margaret Thatcher was that she was a insomniac drunk that couldn't understand anything that didn't match up with her ingrained dogma.

- WelshBloke


Oh and she apparently really, really liked pedophiles.
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I bet she was a good time to party with though. I'm picturing a scene not unlike Bruce Willis, Ving Rhames and the gimp. Plus Maggy of course.
 
Roman and Greek histories are full academic subjects in and of themselves and full of worthwhile information and insights for everyone studying the shit.

And of particular importance is the Roman political history involving the centuries long conflict between the Kings, Patricians, and Plebians along with the politicians who catered to and took advantage of the sociological conflicts.
 
US taxes are too low. I agree with that. There's a ton of government waste. I agree with that.

But there will always be too much government waste. It will never be properly cleaned up. So either the solution is to not have government, which is a shitty idea, or be ok with the idea that at least some of government revenue will be wasted. If you can't deal with that, government probably isn't for you.

I live about 100 kms from the US border. I'd go there more often if it didn't feel like a developing country. Your infrastructure is shit.
 
norseamd said:
Well the community is supposed to be the government so if you can make that work then no.
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There are competing visions of what exactly government is and should be, that's for sure. I think I have gotten on the fence in this regard, while many government functions are very important and a few even indispensable, much of it ends up being parasitical, unintentionally, of course.
 
crashtech said:
There are competing visions of what exactly government is and should be, that's for sure. I think I have gotten on the fence in this regard, while many government functions are very important and a few even indispensable, much of it ends up being parasitical, unintentionally, of course.
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True.

I was more talking about what government conceptually and intellectually could be than so far in practice. Here is an example of another possible government type that is dealing with those problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3m4aRQ9QvQ
 
I wanna suck on the government teet. 🙁

True story. My dad needed someone to help him with a small job. He was willing to pay for the help. I would have offered my services but I was busy at the time so he ended up asking this 42 year old guy. Get this. He wasn't able to help because he's on SSI due to high blood pressure. And, he's expected to get another paycheck. All because he can't control his high blood pressure! I've never heard such a thing.
 
shortylickens said:
Romans
Greeks
Egyptians
French


Pretty much every eras top great empire.


Notice a pattern?
We're next.

I think India will be number one after we fall.
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All of those listed had one big thing in common. They grew on trade, and the powerful isolated themselves from reality through governments. Political infighting split the power, and caused the outside to take over. The biggest problem seems to be that the power class isolates themselves and reality does not care about attempts of isolation.
 
norseamd said:
True.

I was more talking about what government conceptually and intellectually could be than so far in practice. Here is an example of another possible government type that is dealing with those problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3m4aRQ9QvQ
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I'm a libertarian in principle but a little right of center, so my preferences would probably be a little different. Yet any kind of libertarianism, and especially libertarian socialism, is predicated on the ability of the average citizen to not only successfully run their own personal affairs, but to participate in managing something larger. I've become a bit disillusioned about the abilities of most average people, tbh, and have come to believe that a majority actually crave being led around so they won't have to think too hard.
 
crashtech said:
I'm a libertarian in principle but a little right of center, so my preferences would probably be a little different. Yet any kind of libertarianism, and especially libertarian socialism, is predicated on the ability of the average citizen to not only successfully run their own personal affairs, but to participate in managing something larger. I've become a bit disillusioned about the abilities of most average people, tbh, and have come to believe that a majority actually crave being led around so they won't have to think too hard.
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Well right now the type of government I think we need to work towards is a much more regular type of third way combination of libertarianism and socialism. Have the state run state agencies for medical care, power generation, utilities and related shit. Let private individuals and organizations run the same shit with less regulation but not have any exclusive power given by the government. That would be statist but to rush out into some of these more untested ideas like libertarian socialism would be very risky and so much so that it would be practically criminal against humanity.
 
mikeford said:
Maybe you could point out some time in all recorded history other than the Nazi's where the rich were successfully made less rich.

Nobody in the USA is forced to work, and the benefits are more than they should be.
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The French Revolution.
The American Revolution.
The American Civil War.
Bolshevik Revolution
Chinese Communist Revolution.

Perhaps you are seeing a pattern? I think the liberals are hoping that this time we can try to avoid all the bloodshed? The conservatives are really against that idea though. I assume that is why they want to keep the guns legal also.
 
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