Managing subordinates

[spidey07]

Face it. There is ordination in today's corporate world just as there is in military. It's how you run a tight ship - "organizational awareness" is the skill it's called and using this appropriately can yield great results. Using appropriate channels is the euphemism.

The ordination of a modern business is born by cream rising, there is a reason they rose. Throw in peter principle and it gets complicated.

1) Role of managing subordinates is keeping the crap off of them, they are your resources and you are held responsible for them. The more arrows you take for them and deflect the better - they are your responsibility.
2) "Talk to my boss" is a response they should be happy saying. You have a bigger shield than they do.
3) Tell them what to do, if they are afraid of making a decision, reference point #2

Ultimately managing subordinates is holding them to the appropriate standards and expectations, shielding them and raising everybody beneath you. Raising the cream.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Face it. There is ordination in today's corporate world just as there is in military. It's how you run a tight ship - "organizational awareness" is the skill it's called and using this appropriately can yield great results. Using appropriate channels is the euphemism.

The ordination of a modern business is born by cream rising, there is a reason they rose. Throw in peter principle and it gets complicated.

1) Role of managing subordinates is keeping the crap off of them, they are your resources and you are held responsible for them. The more arrows you take for them and deflect the better - they are your responsibility.
2) "Talk to my boss" is a response they should be happy saying. You have a bigger shield than they do.
3) Tell them what to do, if they are afraid of making a decision, reference point #2

Ultimately managing subordinates is holding them to the appropriate standards and expectations, shielding them and raising everybody beneath you. Raising the cream.

You get together with Zane this weekend?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Face it. There is ordination in today's corporate world just as there is in military. It's how you run a tight ship - "organizational awareness" is the skill it's called and using this appropriately can yield great results. Using appropriate channels is the euphemism.

The ordination of a modern business is born by cream rising, there is a reason they rose. Throw in peter principle and it gets complicated.

1) Role of managing subordinates is keeping the crap off of them, they are your resources and you are held responsible for them. The more arrows you take for them and deflect the better - they are your responsibility.
2) "Talk to my boss" is a response they should be happy saying. You have a bigger shield than they do.
3) Tell them what to do, if they are afraid of making a decision, reference point #2

Ultimately managing subordinates is holding them to the appropriate standards and expectations, shielding them and raising everybody beneath you. Raising the cream.

Shouldn't you credit who you stole this quote from?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: spidey07
Face it. There is ordination in today's corporate world just as there is in military. It's how you run a tight ship - "organizational awareness" is the skill it's called and using this appropriately can yield great results. Using appropriate channels is the euphemism.

The ordination of a modern business is born by cream rising, there is a reason they rose. Throw in peter principle and it gets complicated.

1) Role of managing subordinates is keeping the crap off of them, they are your resources and you are held responsible for them. The more arrows you take for them and deflect the better - they are your responsibility.
2) "Talk to my boss" is a response they should be happy saying. You have a bigger shield than they do.
3) Tell them what to do, if they are afraid of making a decision, reference point #2

Ultimately managing subordinates is holding them to the appropriate standards and expectations, shielding them and raising everybody beneath you. Raising the cream.

Shouldn't you credit who you stole this quote from?

What quote? I'm trying to share some knowledge and help others manage subordinates. I'm sorry if I condensed 10 different attitudes into one succinct post.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: spidey07
Face it. There is ordination in today's corporate world just as there is in military. It's how you run a tight ship - "organizational awareness" is the skill it's called and using this appropriately can yield great results. Using appropriate channels is the euphemism.

The ordination of a modern business is born by cream rising, there is a reason they rose. Throw in peter principle and it gets complicated.

1) Role of managing subordinates is keeping the crap off of them, they are your resources and you are held responsible for them. The more arrows you take for them and deflect the better - they are your responsibility.
2) "Talk to my boss" is a response they should be happy saying. You have a bigger shield than they do.
3) Tell them what to do, if they are afraid of making a decision, reference point #2

Ultimately managing subordinates is holding them to the appropriate standards and expectations, shielding them and raising everybody beneath you. Raising the cream.

Shouldn't you credit who you stole this quote from?

What quote? I'm trying to share some knowledge and help others manage subordinates.

Portable MBA?

 

[nageov3t]

what if your subordinates all suck but you can't fire them because it'd look like discrimination?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Portable MBA?

Well if it's common knowledge then so be it. Just trying to help. I assumed it was common knowledge but it took me a long time to learn it.

 

[S Freud]

That's funny, I should forward this to my boss. He turns tail and blames us when something goes wrong, then if he blames us and we get rewarded by his boss for doing something right he starts talking about how he has been leading us to make these sorts of decisions.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Portable MBA?

Well if it's common knowledge then so be it. Just trying to help. I assumed it was common knowledge but it took me a long time to learn it.

Yep, common knowledge in any Management class.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The one small flaw in your manifesto is that it requires taking responsibility. In corporate America, the only thing someone taking responsibility is good for is 'taking the blame.'

 

[Joemonkey]

I don't know if I could ever manage people... managing systems is plenty enough for me, they do exactly what I tell them and nothing else. People on the other hand, yeah no thanks.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
The one small flaw in your manifesto is that it requires taking responsibility. In corporate America, the only thing someone taking responsibility is good for is 'taking the blame.'

Somewhat true, but I learned a long time ago that blamestorming doesn't get one anywhere.

But keep the blamestorming off of your subordinates and take responsibility. If one of your people screwed up then ultimately it is your screw up and you deal with it.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
The one small flaw in your manifesto is that it requires taking responsibility. In corporate America, the only thing someone taking responsibility is good for is 'taking the blame.'

Somewhat true, but I learned a long time ago that blamestorming doesn't get one anywhere.

But keep the blamestorming off of your subordinates and take responsibility. If one of your people screwed up then ultimately it is your screw up and you deal with it.

The problem is corporate America doesn't deal with mistakes, they eliminate them. "Close that plant and lay off 1000 people, we'll save bajillions!"

 

[Lithium381]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
The one small flaw in your manifesto is that it requires taking responsibility. In corporate America, the only thing someone taking responsibility is good for is 'taking the blame.'

Somewhat true, but I learned a long time ago that blamestorming doesn't get one anywhere.

But keep the blamestorming off of your subordinates and take responsibility. If one of your people screwed up then ultimately it is your screw up and you deal with it.

The problem is corporate America doesn't deal with mistakes, they eliminate them. "Close that plant and lay off 1000 people, we'll save bajillions!"

Not if the plant were in Brazil!!!!!

 

[Evadman]

Usually, I just tell others to FOAD; including but not limited to CEO's. I once told a CIO of a company would be better if he were washing windows instead of installing it. Politics? Yeah, no so much. I didn't take my job to be liked, I took it to get sh!t done. And sh!t gets done when it is put on my team's plate.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

I think its important for people to understand the difference between goals and plans. A goal is something you want to have happen. A plan is something like, "Have Johnson finalize the design by Tuesday and send it to the factory."

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: spidey07
The ordination of a modern business is born by cream rising, there is a reason they rose.

One lesson that I've learned from working at a wastewater treatment plant, then for the federal government: cream floats to the top, but so do feces.